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Discussion: Issue 19 Respec Tokens

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By 2short2care,
Posted on: 2010-11-08 15:30 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion

 

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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ View Post
be nice if it would go live tomorrow
Oh yes! Agreed!

 

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Maybe it can go Launch, every one gets one freespec.

TWO weeks after launch everyone gets the second respec. This way EVERYONE has a chance to move their slotting over accordingly.

 

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Originally Posted by retched View Post
Maybe it can go Launch, every one gets one freespec.

TWO weeks after launch everyone gets the second respec. This way EVERYONE has a chance to move their slotting over accordingly.
doesn't matter the time frame, someone will still complain due to circumstances.

 

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Originally Posted by gameboy1234 View Post
No your friend did not make a good point. Of course everyone will three slot Stamina (and probably at least two slots in Health). Considering IO Sets and Uniques, four slotting each would not be considered excessive.

Then you just choose three powers THAT DON'T NEED TO BE SLOTTED. Recall Friend. Assault, Maneuvers, Tactics, Vengeance. Hover. Hasten. Stealth. Provoke. Boxing & Tough. Combat Jumping.

Come on, this is not hard.
ya know, some people actually do slot hasten and tough, and i personally 6 slot stamina for the end mod set that gives recharge, which requires a total of 6 slots., i personally have 3 slots in hasten and to get the best out of tough i have it 5 slotted on those toons who are resistant oriented. those others you listed i can see being only one slot, but im sure there are those who will put more than one slot into them anyways.


you're right though, its not hard, but i also shouldn't have to take powers i don't want just to train up to my level. this is also something that i've been dealing with for years in this game, getting the powers i want and still having like 7 levels or so with several powers i need to take to officially be that level. then taking stuff i don't want at all, even if i never use them, i just don't want them period.

kinda why some of my characters aren't 50, some are just perma whatever level i left them at, usually between 35 to 43.

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Good move, Devs.

 

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ya know, some people actually do slot hasten and tough, and i personally 6 slot stamina for the end mod set that gives recharge, which requires a total of 6 slots., i personally have 3 slots in hasten and to get the best out of tough i have it 5 slotted on those toons who are resistant oriented. those others you listed i can see being only one slot, but im sure there are those who will put more than one slot into them anyways.
Some people do slot those powers and some dont, I also would never dream of putting 6 slots in stamina, as id never be too desperate for recharge to waste slots like that. You could take Hover or combat jumping and put a LoTG in it, have 2.5% more recharge, and move some slots out of stamina to other powers if you want.

alot of people have been very closed minded about their builds only looking at single powers that could be used etc etc, when really everyone should be looking at their whole build and see what changes can be made. on my Elec/Earth Dominator the permadom nearly softcapped build I was planning pre i19 has been able to be rejigged into permadom softcapped with some spare slots to overslot health and stamina (since i rarely go with more than just the basic slot there).

So overall i19 has increased slot efficiency as im not overshooting for bonuses in powers I didnt need.

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If you have two builds, and you're not really using you second build, you can already respec that second build with inherent fitness in mind that's what i did

 

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Originally Posted by nosatufer View Post
If you have two builds, and you're not really using you second build, you can already respec that second build with inherent fitness in mind that's what i did
dont know if that build is going to automatically receive the inherent fitness pool...may still need to respec, unless the devs are up on their game...some of my toons, like my regen and willpower toons never needed the fitness pool...hopefully swift, hurdle, health, and stamina will appear in their inherent section ala warshades and peacebringers inherents...for some reason i dont think the devs are going to have a bunch of toons running around with two identical fitness powers ---> "chosen" swift, hurdle, health, stamina and "inherent" swift, hurdle, health, stamina...that'd be kinda like manipulation imo.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie View Post
Some people do slot those powers and some dont, I also would never dream of putting 6 slots in stamina, as id never be too desperate for recharge to waste slots like that. You could take Hover or combat jumping and put a LoTG in it, have 2.5% more recharge, and move some slots out of stamina to other powers if you want.

alot of people have been very closed minded about their builds only looking at single powers that could be used etc etc, when really everyone should be looking at their whole build and see what changes can be made.
we also know just how much more as a whole that extra 2.5 % from lotg is gonna cost ya, what i make are very affordable builds that someone with at best with say 150 to 400 mil in total, can deck out their character and feel accomplished .

aside from the recharge, you also don't take into account how much end you are getting out of the set as well as the other benefits the set gives you as a whole, when you add it to the other sets you may have that work towards that 5 limit which as a whole i try and strive for so i know im getting the best out of what these have to offer.

i made a very affective fire/kin pler way back in the day and the build total was roughly about 220 million. that same build ive been up against those who have spent billions on theirs, and even if they have perma hasten. i've still have been able to hold my own and impress with sets most scoffed at and wouldn't dream having to asking me how i do what i do.

in the end i always work with what i got and can afford and try to maximize results.
in the end, whether people six slot stamina or not, the set efficacy adaptor set or even the performance shifter set require six slots in a power that can take end mod sets if you want all bonuses these sets have to offer.

aside from all that, in the end "war never changes." GAH! CURSE YOU FALLOUT:NEW VEGAS!

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1 week to respec all my toons?

As a self proclaimed altaholic..... I had better clear my calender.

Would be nice if they 2nd one was part of the i19 badge you get for just logging in. Claim it like you do the veteran reward respecs.

Still REALLY excited about i19. I can actually fit in a travel power and a second attack for my tanks before level 20! Yay!

 

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TWO free respecs?!

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

 

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Is there any way I can sway you guys to increase the time between giving out respecs from 1 week to 2 weeks?

It would just give me (and I'm sure others) a little more time to respec our 20+ characters...*shrugs* wouldn't be a huge thing I guess but....


Thanks for the 2 respecs in general though

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Originally Posted by Mystic_Fortune View Post
I have so many characters I need to respec, but have been putting it off waiting for i19 to drop so that I could benefit from the Inherent Fitness. I am so glad this is close!


I second this Mystc!!!

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Do you just seriously make stuff up like that?! xD



Actually Bright she is pretty correct. I was there when the Devs them selves said Issue 19 would be on Nov 16th, tentatively.
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Originally Posted by Avatea View Post
Greetings,

Given the magnitude of changes in Issue 19 with the fitness pool becoming inherent at level 2, we’ll be issuing one respec with the launch of issue 19 and a second respec exactly one week after launch.
I think this is great! But I have to echo the sentiments of many others... We really need freespecs to stack. Clearly you guys are doing this because you recognize the need to be fair to the players, but if you really want to be fair, I think it really is absolutely necessary to allow the freespecs to stack.

Why? Like I imagine most players, I have maybe a couple of dozen toons, and most of those have two builds. They're all going to need the respec... every last one of them. That's a lot of respecs to fit in, in just one week's time. Believe it or not, some of us do have lives outside CoH.

 

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I would rather they delay the issuing of the second respec than making them stackable. They give us ample warning so you know how much time you've got to use one. Free ones are not meant to be saved, since the only time they give them out is for major tweaks to powers. Make your plan ahead of time for how you want to take powers and slots, and the respec process doesn't take that long, even if you've got a lot of characters to fix.

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I wouldn't mind them stacking as well...especially since I have bad alt-itis and have more than 4 servers worth of toons to work on. Either way though I will be pleased. I've been waiting for the Fitness pool to be inherent since I started playing the game in Trial back in 07.


 

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the way we respec needs a fix. atm if you respec you will lose the +3 bonuse from slotting lvl 50s at lvl 47 this needs to be fixed

 

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Like anyone with altitus (and this game encourages it), it would be fantastic if I didn't have to rush to get the respecing done. Across five servers I'm looking at 17 50's, a dozen 40+ and I don't want to count the mid-ranges. I may just remake anything under 20 later.

Having characters which have used my vet specs and respec trial respecs, it would be lovely if Issue freespec's stacked from previous issues, but in all honesty I don't expect it to happen. NC isn't obliged to give us freespecs, I'm pleased that they do - it's the right thing to do when powers are changed.

However, I have to hold my hands up and say that rather than dual builds, I'm much more likely to be using both respecs to pull out extra enhancements on the same build (at least one build is a ground-up rebuild). I doubt that I'm the only one that uses respecs to move around enhancements rather than just fix the changed power.

For a while I've had folder of i19 builds from the pre-i19 Mids. During spare minutes I load up a current build with current Mids and an i19 build plan on the pre-i19 Mids and tinker. The publish of the Incarnate slots info means I can plan which chars will be doing that and which won't. I encourage anyone who can to do the same; get the Mids, stick the builds in a new folder and play with it.

Yes it is going to be a pain buying the new enhancements/salvage and yes if you're doing a complete rebuild you will have an unplayable character for a week (or worse if you are moving enhs from one char to another) but at least you'll have a plan.

Other than that it's prioritize.




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Originally Posted by Capa_Devans View Post
Like anyone with altitus (and this game encourages it), it would be fantastic if I didn't have to rush to get the respecing done. Across five servers I'm looking at 17 50's, a dozen 40+ and I don't want to count the mid-ranges. I may just remake anything under 20 later.

Having characters which have used my vet specs and respec trial respecs, it would be lovely if Issue freespec's stacked from previous issues, but in all honesty I don't expect it to happen. NC isn't obliged to give us freespecs, I'm pleased that they do - it's the right thing to do when powers are changed.

However, I have to hold my hands up and say that rather than dual builds, I'm much more likely to be using both respecs to pull out extra enhancements on the same build (at least one build is a ground-up rebuild). I doubt that I'm the only one that uses respecs to move around enhancements rather than just fix the changed power.

For a while I've had folder of i19 builds from the pre-i19 Mids. During spare minutes I load up a current build with current Mids and an i19 build plan on the pre-i19 Mids and tinker. The publish of the Incarnate slots info means I can plan which chars will be doing that and which won't. I encourage anyone who can to do the same; get the Mids, stick the builds in a new folder and play with it.

Yes it is going to be a pain buying the new enhancements/salvage and yes if you're doing a complete rebuild you will have an unplayable character for a week (or worse if you are moving enhs from one char to another) but at least you'll have a plan.

Other than that it's prioritize.
Ah, the new mids are out already?


 

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Not the official one no, but there's a pre-19 edit been done by someone on the forum. I've been fiddling with that.
Nice! I will def look that up.


 

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the way we respec needs a fix. atm if you respec you will lose the +3 bonuse from slotting lvl 50s at lvl 47 this needs to be fixed
huh?

 

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Originally Posted by gameboy1234 View Post
No your friend did not make a good point. Of course everyone will three slot Stamina (and probably at least two slots in Health). Considering IO Sets and Uniques, four slotting each would not be considered excessive.

Then you just choose three powers THAT DON'T NEED TO BE SLOTTED. Recall Friend. Assault, Maneuvers, Tactics, Vengeance. Hover. Hasten. Stealth. Provoke. Boxing & Tough. Combat Jumping.

Come on, this is not hard.
LOL.... I tend to slot Hasten with three recharges, and don't bother with a lot of the other powers you mentioned unless I am making a scrapper... Recall Friend and Tough are handy to slot with Recharges and Damage Resistance (or is it Defense?), and since I got Ninja Run I don't bother with Combat Jumping. LOL.

Anyway, I don't see as how I am going to change much except that I'll now be able to add a couple of the higher level powers I didn't add (Patron Powers, that sort of thing) because I ran out of power choices... Though to tell the truth, many of the powers you might take just don't make sense for all characters... It will be an interesting time, fur shur.