Discussion: Issue 19 Respec Tokens
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Posted on: 2010-11-08 15:30 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Originally Posted by forgotten
the way we respec needs a fix. atm if you respec you will lose the +3 bonuse from slotting lvl 50s at lvl 47 this needs to be fixed
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I just reread this and I'm still scratching my head on this one.... and I just respec'd my L50 just a moment ago in-game|
Originally Posted by forgotten
the way we respec needs a fix. atm if you respec you will lose the +3 bonuse from slotting lvl 50s at lvl 47 this needs to be fixed
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You don't lose any "bonus" by respec'ing a L50 using L47's. If I'm not mistakened, the bonuses stay the same. You're not changing your level under any circumstance. Unless you're referring to the "Show More Detailed Info" button showing your information incorrectly.
Expected issue 19 release date is when?
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Around November 16th or after Thanksgiving.
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Originally Posted by Capa_Devans
Not the official one no, but there's a pre-19 edit been done by someone on the forum. I've been fiddling with that.
 EDIT: FINALLY found the link - http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...1&postcount=36 |
Although one freespec and one respecification token would be nice to allow stacking and more time, I don't mind hiking to Galaxy, Nerva Archipelago, or Studio 55 for FREE respecs. =)
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I forgot completely about Respec TOKENS... Maybe we should get those instead... I mean what's the worst that can happen with a character getting 9 respec tokens stacked up?
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Originally Posted by Funky_Munky
Although one freespec and one respecification token would be nice to allow stacking and more time, I don't mind hiking to Galaxy, Nerva Archipelago, or Studio 55 for FREE respecs. =)
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Now only if I didn't have over 70 toons that I need to respec
Guess I'm just going to have to do my priority ones, and the others will get done when they get done, and I'll only have one shot at fixing them. Unless/till I fork out inf, real dollars, or get lucky and get a drop.
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I'm more than a little confused by that post myself
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Originally Posted by retched
I just reread this and I'm still scratching my head on this one.... and I just respec'd my L50 just a moment ago in-game
You don't lose any "bonus" by respec'ing a L50 using L47's. If I'm not mistakened, the bonuses stay the same. You're not changing your level under any circumstance. Unless you're referring to the "Show More Detailed Info" button showing your information incorrectly. |
Some of us wait until we are lvl 47 to use lvl 50 IO sets so that even after we lvl up to 50 those sets still grant you a +3 bonus because an IO will grant you the lvl related bonus from the lvl it is slotted at permanently. I'm not talking about a lvl 50 person using lvl 47 enhancements. Im talking about a player with the forethought to get there lvl 50 IO enhancements slotted wile they where lvl 47. when we are force to re spec you are effectively re slotting all of your IO sets at lvl 50 when before each was effectively a lvl 53 IO. After the re spec they will all be standard lvl 50s
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Originally Posted by retched
I just reread this and I'm still scratching my head on this one.... and I just respec'd my L50 just a moment ago in-game
You don't lose any "bonus" by respec'ing a L50 using L47's. If I'm not mistakened, the bonuses stay the same. You're not changing your level under any circumstance. Unless you're referring to the "Show More Detailed Info" button showing your information incorrectly. |
No you have what I am saying backwards. I am saying all the planning that goes into using lvl 50 IO sets wile you are lvl 47 is lost.
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It doesn't work this way.|
Originally Posted by forgotten
Some of us wait until we are lvl 47 to use lvl 50 IO sets so that even after we lvl up to 50 those sets still grant you a +3 bonus because an IO will grant you the lvl related bonus from the lvl it is slotted at permanently. I'm not talking about a lvl 50 person using lvl 47 enhancements. Im talking about a player with the forethought to get there lvl 50 IO enhancements slotted wile they where lvl 47. when we are force to re spec you are effectively re slotting all of your IO sets at lvl 50 when before each was effectively a lvl 53 IO. After the re spec they will all be standard lvl 50s
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It doesn't matter whether you slotted lvl50 IO at level 47 or 50. It always gives the same enhancement value.
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Originally Posted by NordBlast
It doesn't work this way.
It doesn't matter whether you slotted lvl50 IO at level 47 or 50. It always gives the same enhancement value. |
Im not referring to the set bonuses. Im talking about the basic enhancement value. Anything slotted 1,2 or 3 lvls over your current lvl will grant you a enhancement bonuses. Inversely anything slotted 1,2 or 3 lvls below you has a penalty. With training, doul and SO enhancements this bonuses changes. With IO s it stays the way it is slotted at the lvl you slot it.
Check this out on a lvl 47 toon look at what a lvl 50 IO will give you then check the same enhancement on one of your lvl 50s . you will understand then.
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It works only for SO/DO/TO/(S)HO, not for IO.
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Originally Posted by forgotten
I’m not referring to the set bonuses. I’m talking about the basic enhancement value. Anything slotted 1,2 or 3 lvls over your current lvl will grant you a enhancement bonuses. Inversely anything slotted 1,2 or 3 lvls below you has a penalty. With training, doul and SO enhancements this bonuses changes. With IO s it stays the way it is slotted at the lvl you slot it.
Check this out on a lvl 47 toon look at what a lvl 50 IO will give you then check the same enhancement on one of your lvl 50s . you will understand then. |
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Originally Posted by NordBlast
It works only for SO/DO/TO/(S)HO, not for IO.
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Only the penalty is removed from IO s the bonus is still there.
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You might want to read this: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/IOs|
Originally Posted by forgotten
Only the penalty is removed from IO s the bonus is still there.
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Here is the relevant part:
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| The amount of buff that regular enhancements give to a particular aspect (range, damage, etc ) varies by its relative level to the character. A +3 regular enhancement provides more buff than a -3 enhancement. Not so with IOs their buff is constant and does not change with the level of the character, only with the level of the IO. A level 40 IO will give more buff than a level 20 IO, but the amount of that buff will remain the same whether the player is level 40 or level 50. |
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Originally Posted by NordBlast
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Your wiki link is only mostly correct however to get away from the irrelevant aspects of this conversation I will ask you to focus on things in terms of all of our HO s that we have slotted
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Originally Posted by forgotten
Your wiki link is only mostly correct however to get away from the irrelevant aspects of this conversation I will ask you to focus on things in terms of all of our HO s that we have slotted
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Where in your post is any mentioning of HOs?
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Originally Posted by forgotten
Some of us wait until we are lvl 47 to use lvl 50 IO sets so that even after we lvl up to 50 those sets still grant you a +3 bonus because an IO will grant you the lvl related bonus from the lvl it is slotted at permanently. I'm not talking about a lvl 50 person using lvl 47 enhancements. Im talking about a player with the forethought to get there lvl 50 IO enhancements slotted wile they where lvl 47. when we are force to re spec you are effectively re slotting all of your IO sets at lvl 50 when before each was effectively a lvl 53 IO. After the re spec they will all be standard lvl 50s
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IO isn't affected by level difference at all. If level 50 IO gives 42.4% enhancement. It will give you the same 42.4% whether you slotted it at level 47, 48, 49 or 50.
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Originally Posted by NordBlast
Huh?
Where in your post is any mentioning of HOs? And even then, it doesn't matter at what level you slotted them. SO/DO/TO/HO performance is only depended on difference between your actual level and the level of enhancement, not when you slotted them. IO isn't affected by level difference at all. If level 50 IO gives 42.4% enhancement. It will give you the same 42.4% whether you slotted it at level 47, 48, 49 or 50. |
When the goal of a discussion is innovation one must never let there own personal goal become victory because that proves that they them selves have failed.
I did some number crunching and it would appear that you are correct. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
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Can you wait a bit longer than just 1 week to provide the 2nd respec?
I really don't mind getting it later, even as late a christmas present when that event starts, just even the toons I want to respec as a priority will take me longer than a week to get done.
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Wow. Uh, non sequitur much? i've reread this several times and while i almost think i know what it's intended to mean, i really don't understand how it relates to the discussion at all.|
Originally Posted by forgotten
When the goal of a discussion is innovation one must never let there own personal goal become victory because that proves that they them selves have failed.
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| I did some number crunching and it would appear that you are correct. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. |
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Wow. Uh, non sequitur much? i've reread this several times and while i almost think i know what it's intended to mean, i really don't understand how it relates to the discussion at all.
Which is almost as confusing. No number crunching is required to read up on or observe in game a mechanic that has operated the same for TO/DO/SO/HO enhancements since the game was launched, and IOs have worked exactly as they do now since they were added as well. The info on how enhancement types work is available in dozens of places in and out of game. Where did number crunching enter into it? |
I was thanking nodblast for his time. Its something respectful people do. The comment you find so nonsectarian was simply explaining that people shouldnt patrol these post attempting to find contributors to pick with or argue with for the sake of strife. I was informing him that his feed back was concise and well spoken instead of mutating my point into some other form like the bugs in the re spec system as a hole just to win some small argument. Its OK if you dont know anyone like that. Its still meant for them.
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Originally Posted by forgotten
I was thanking nodblast for his time. Its something respectful people do. The comment you find so nonsectarian was simply explaining that people shouldnt patrol these post attempting to find contributors to pick with or argue with for the sake of strife. I was informing him that his feed back was concise and well spoken instead of mutating my point into some other form like the bugs in the re spec system as a hole just to win some small argument. Its OK if you dont know anyone like that. Its still meant for them.
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with rampant altitis, a week seems kinda short for the first wave of respecs, so a longer delay until the second one would be appreciated if they can't be made to stack.
even more appreciated would be a quality-of-life improvement on how power trays get refilled when a respec is completed - how about setting it up so that Primary powers get loaded in tray one, Secondary powers in two, Epic/Patron Pool in three, Inherent in four, Day Job in five, Temporary starting in six, and so forth... it seems sometimes like I spend more time fixing tray setups after a respec than it took to step through the respec so this would definately help if it could be put in
thanks! 
Another vote for a 2 week interval bet. freespecs. Kudos to the devs for giving us 2 and all that, but it'd be nice if I had a bit more time to tweak all 31 of my alts on my main server (and that's not counting another couple of dozen toons on other servers).
Hardly critical considering all the vet-specs I have floating around, but still... 2 weeks would be nice. Stackable freespecs would be best, of course.
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I'm expecting a lot more stealth pool as mules for KB protects, LoTG etc.
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
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