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Originally Posted by Luminara
I think that episode topped the first. I spent more time freaking out and yelling at the monitor than I have in years.
"One more thing. He's an organ donor." Perfect tension breaker. Glenn got out! And the preview for next week's episode reunites Rick with Laurie, Shane and Carl, and brings Michael Rooker back for at least one more episode. I just spent a week bouncing up and down in anticipation of this episode... I don't know how I'm going to make it through the next week of waiting. If I could marry a television show, this would be the one. <3 |
Please keep in mind, that the show is departing from the comic in some decent ways. It still kept some of the most important bits, but how they get to those bits is a'changin'.
I didn't like the change to Lori and Shane's relationship (i.e. from one time near **** to a torrid affair). It majorly changes how you feel about *spoiler* later.
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I thought the relationship existed in the first episode, the breaking off of the kiss was for the boy's sake.
Still don't have a time frame for how long Rick was in a coma. How much time has passed since he was presumed dead (I assume when they heard the hospital was overrun they assumed he was a goner).
I'm guessing white trash is going to have to saw off his hand to escape. I was hoping they were going to throw him off the roof as the distraction.
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Well given what I saw in the first episode (got the second one TiVoed for tonight) I'd have to say he couldn't have been in a coma much more than a week (10 days tops) AFTER the zombie thing started. Without anyone to change out his IV's or anything I doubt he would've been able to hop out of bed as well as he did due to starvation/dehydration otherwise.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I thought the relationship existed in the first episode, the breaking off of the kiss was for the boy's sake.
Still don't have a time frame for how long Rick was in a coma. How much time has passed since he was presumed dead (I assume when they heard the hospital was overrun they assumed he was a goner). |
Now of course it's not clear how long he might have been in a coma BEFORE the zombies broke out. For all we know he could've been in a coma for many months so there might have been plenty of time for another relationship to start. Just based on the first episode alone it seems like that relationship had to have started sometime before the zombies.
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It would been funny if the zombies could detect body heat.
"Rrrrr. Blrr. Glrr. Oh, hey! What's this, then! Heat signatures! Well, all right! RRAAARRR!!!"
My question is this: how can you let a guy like Merle live? Setting aside the fact that he's a racist jerk, he was wasting ammo, assaulted another member of the team, and tried to take over the group at gunpoint (to what end, we don't even know!). I get "we don't kill the Living", but this guy (and his brother, no doubt) are going to be nothing but trouble. At the very least, exile should be an option. Of course, then he would just work his way back to the group and kill everyone...
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He was comatose for more than a month. How much longer is impossible to determine without further clues, but we know it had to be no less than a month because Morgan (Duane's father) said that they hadn't had hot water for a month. Rick had only been conscious for one day at that point.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Still don't have a time frame for how long Rick was in a coma. How much time has passed since he was presumed dead (I assume when they heard the hospital was overrun they assumed he was a goner).
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Based on the dessication of the flowers, I'm guessing that Rick had been alone in the hospital for somewhere between five and fourteen days. If we assume that the "fresh" corpse in the hallway was the last hospital worker, who was staying behind to take care of the immobile patients, then the flowers could have lasted for as long as three to four weeks, if she watered them just before being killed. Since Shane said nothing about the apocalypse when he brought the flowers to Rick, we know it didn't start the same day or week that Rick was shot.
So the best estimate is that Rick was in the hospital for six to eight weeks, the apocalypse started one or two weeks after he was admitted and he was alone for the last week, waking up shortly before or after his IV dried up.
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I meant from the comic.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I thought the relationship existed in the first episode, the breaking off of the kiss was for the boy's sake.
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I liked the second episode, a logical flow from last week and I'm still hooked without question. I may go out and buy the graphic novels at this point.
Now, there were a lot of characters tossed into the mix at once, though which seemed a touch muddled. I was also confused why shots fired over there caused a mass of attacking zombies at the doors to the store, but there had to be a direct tension point driving some urgency.
An article/review I saw quick over lunch of the second episode was far less favorable - The Atlantic, I think. He made a couple good points on the jarring entry of some of the character issues.
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Sounds reasonable. The IV would've only lasted 2 days, tops, and he could've only survived for *maybe* four days without water on top of that, due to his low-energy state. My guess would be he woke up a day or two after the hospital got overrun. I grew up among nurses and doctors, and most of them would absolutely stay until the last possible minute in order to protect their patients. (Read stories about Hurricane Katrina's aftermath, for instance.)
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Originally Posted by Luminara
He was comatose for more than a month. How much longer is impossible to determine without further clues, but we know it had to be no less than a month because Morgan (Duane's father) said that they hadn't had hot water for a month. Rick had only been conscious for one day at that point.
Based on the dessication of the flowers, I'm guessing that Rick had been alone in the hospital for somewhere between five and fourteen days. So the best estimate is that Rick was in the hospital for six to eight weeks, the apocalypse started one or two weeks after he was admitted and he was alone for the last week, waking up shortly before or after his IV dried up. |
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It's a morality tale, and Rick is a noble idealist. In his eyes, everyone is worth saving. It's highly likely that he feels personally responsible for the apocalypse, because it started when he was unconscious and maybe, possibly, he could have done something to prevent it if he'd been awake. So he's going to do everything he can to save as many people as possible, even if they aren't the best examples of humanity, because in doing so, he preserves his humanity.|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
My question is this: how can you let a guy like Merle live? Setting aside the fact that he's a racist jerk, he was wasting ammo, assaulted another member of the team, and tried to take over the group at gunpoint (to what end, we don't even know!). I get "we don't kill the Living", but this guy (and his brother, no doubt) are going to be nothing but trouble. At the very least, exile should be an option. Of course, then he would just work his way back to the group and kill everyone...
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Even if Merle dies or is later shown to be beyond redemption, he represents a test of Rick's moral fortitude, and Rick will strive to pass that test.
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Problem is, that Merle, T-Dog and all those others in Atlanta, except for Andrea and Glenn, are characters that are not in the comics. And even then, Glenn is the only one that goes into the town to get supplies. Haven't seen enough of the camp yet to make a determination on characters there, though with the exception of Merle's brother (seen from the previews), the seem to be consistent with the comics.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
I liked the second episode, a logical flow from last week and I'm still hooked without question. I may go out and buy the graphic novels at this point.
Now, there were a lot of characters tossed into the mix at once, though which seemed a touch muddled. I was also confused why shots fired over there caused a mass of attacking zombies at the doors to the store, but there had to be a direct tension point driving some urgency. An article/review I saw quick over lunch of the second episode was far less favorable - The Atlantic, I think. He made a couple good points on the jarring entry of some of the character issues. |
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Well, early Rick is a bit of an idealist. At the point he's at currently in the comics (SPOILER ALERT, by the way) he has very little problem with killing people that he feels are hazardous to his, Carl's or the group in general's survival. In fact, if you're up on the series currently, he's proven over the last few issues that he's extremely quick and remorseless about taking the lives of troublemakers. It almost seems to be his first option at this point. |
Originally Posted by Luminara
It's a morality tale, and Rick is a noble idealist. In his eyes, everyone is worth saving. It's highly likely that he feels personally responsible for the apocalypse, because it started when he was unconscious and maybe, possibly, he could have done something to prevent it if he'd been awake. So he's going to do everything he can to save as many people as possible, even if they aren't the best examples of humanity, because in doing so, he preserves his humanity.
Even if Merle dies or is later shown to be beyond redemption, he represents a test of Rick's moral fortitude, and Rick will strive to pass that test. |
In fact, and it's been quite a while since I read the beginning of the series, I don't recall it even taking Rick very long to get to the point where he'd kill human beings pretty callously if he thought they were a threat. I recall him killing someone during a skirmish at the prison because he thought they'd be a problem.
So, yeah, if the TV series is going to follow his moral arc pretty closely, it won't be long before Rick is routinely handling problems by means of execution. If Rick was ever really trying to take a moral high road where murder is concerned, he didn't last on that road very long.
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Although he saw an opportunity and took it quickly i didn't get the sense that he was remorseless at all. in fact later in that volume when the group takes away sole leadership from him he lets them know that the pressure that he's been under is gnawing at him. Plus the guy he killed was a killer.
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Originally Posted by JeNeSaisQuoi
Well, early Rick is a bit of an idealist. At the point he's at currently in the comics (SPOILER ALERT, by the way) he has very little problem with killing people that he feels are hazardous to his, Carl's or the group in general's survival. ...I recall him killing someone during a skirmish at the prison because he thought they'd be a problem...
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I've only seen the first two TV episodes (haven't read the comic) but if I had to guess I imagine what we'll see in the future of the TV show is Rick adopting a sort of cold, practical "kill or be killed" mentality which includes Walkers or live people.|
Originally Posted by JeNeSaisQuoi
Well, early Rick is a bit of an idealist. At the point he's at currently in the comics (SPOILER ALERT, by the way) he has very little problem with killing people that he feels are hazardous to his, Carl's or the group in general's survival. In fact, if you're up on the series currently, he's proven over the last few issues that he's extremely quick and remorseless about taking the lives of troublemakers. It almost seems to be his first option at this point.
In fact, and it's been quite a while since I read the beginning of the series, I don't recall it even taking Rick very long to get to the point where he'd kill human beings pretty callously if he thought they were a threat. I recall him killing someone during a skirmish at the prison because he thought they'd be a problem. So, yeah, if the TV series is going to follow his moral arc pretty closely, it won't be long before Rick is routinely handling problems by means of execution. If Rick was ever really trying to take a moral high road where murder is concerned, he didn't last on that road very long. |
As a sheriff's deputy before the zombie thing happened I have to think he at least started from the point that he had never killed an innocent person and morally never thought about killing anyone as a first option. My guess is that when he shot that "half-body" zombie girl in the first episode that was the first person he ever "killed" that he thought was an innocent non-criminal. That was the beginning of a new reality for him that definitely shifted him away from any kind of "idealism" he might have had before the zombies.
But by the same token I don't think he's going to be the type of person who's ever going to be able to kill anyone without feeling remorse for it eventually. I think he's shifted into "soldier mode" which means he'll be able to quickly decide if he needs to kill for his own survival, but I get the feeling there will be moments (at least in the TV show) where they'll show him thinking about what he's done and being upset by it. I just don't see him becoming an inhuman "uber-terminator" killing at will without consequences no matter how bad things get.
So no I don't think Rick's an "idealist" about life and death, but I do think he'll retain at least some level of humanity/empathy for people who deserve it so that we can continue to sympathize with him as a character.
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I am very glad you posted this. I had been approaching it from the point of view regarding the zombies. How they got started, is there a cure, why do they do what they do, etc. This gives me a much better approach to enjoy the show and just let the zombies be the plague on the land not the focus of the series.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
I could so spoiler this for you, but I won't. >.<
As to the comic itself, the zombies are more of a backdrop than anything else for the interaction between the people and how they cope with things going to hell. Yes, it is very depressing, but there are bright spots. Not very many, but some. |
I am very curious to see how the show will continue to progress.
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In the comics, the zombies are the ever present danger to the group. You can't ignore them, they just are, it's the new status quo. I do wonder though, how they are going to present them differently, since they've went to the point of them using rocks, picking up teddy bears, and have seemingly some intelligence (not much, mind you).|
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
I am very glad you posted this. I had been approaching it from the point of view regarding the zombies. How they got started, is there a cure, why do they do what they do, etc. This gives me a much better approach to enjoy the show and just let the zombies be the plague on the land not the focus of the series.
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The Walking Dead is about the characters, not the zombies. It could just as easily have been a nuclear war or alien invasion that caused the apocalypse, but it was zombies this time around. You get to see the underpinings of what it takes to survive and just how far people are willing to go. You see the dark sides of humanity (and believe me, there are parts that are EXTREMELY dark) as well as the little beacons of light that make us redeemable.
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Just my opinions...
I really enjoyed the first episode. With a few exceptions... Some logical leaps, the opening scene made me laugh a bit too much (It was less scary and a little more... hilarious to me, just in how it all looked... if it could have maintained the drama of that moment more than a gruesome laugh-fest [for me] I would have dug that scene a lot more... still... for television, not bad that they even went with it, so I still give that scene a thumbs up)... however the big killer in my enjoyment was the ex-wife and partner relationship.
It's not even so much that the story went that way (Hey, if it is following the graphic novel, then it is on that and not the show), but more so in just the poorly written way it was delivered.
My wife and I were enjoying every moment of the zombie apocalypse survival and the interpersonal relationships of Rick and the father and son... But when they went to the camp of survivors and very non-cleverly "revealed" who she was and the son was and the Oooooh soap opera tragic love triangle... it seemed to point to where this series is really going to go. And that seems a shame to me.
I really didn't enjoy the second episode.
Oh well... not for me, I guess (no big shock there).
The writing and dialog really is just not for me.
It's not even bad in a campy zombie B movie (Which is not what I desire either), but it was just bad (to me).
Very poorly thought out and not delivered very well (Not the acting mind you... All of the acting has been fine if not excellent). Just in the script writing and such... too many times I am saying the line in concert with the character... cringing as they say exactly what I am saying mockingly.
Again, that could be okay if it was just a touch different, but I can't really enjoy the serious aspect of it when it is being delivered in a way that is just robbing the fun from me.
Hehe, ah well... I am glad others have found a fun show to watch for themselves!!
I do want to say that I did love the legless zombie in the park of the first episode... both in introduction and in revisiting. I thought that was some good stuff there. And the zombified wife as well.
While the sense of smell thing seemed a bit too simple and barely plausible... It still made for some fun and so I can't count that as a negative.
Still... I've seen enough to know that this show will only annoy me more than entertain me.
I'm a bit saddened though, because -after watching the bulk of the first episode- the idea of a gritty, dramatic zombie apocalypse weekly series was rather thrilling... And now... I feel as though I am without it.
It just seems to me that it is clinging to very typical and poorly thought-out elementary plot points with sub-par dialog and it takes too much away from the reality that makes such intense/insane situations so fun.
I've tried to be nice with my sharing of opinions, because I know many people are enjoying it. And that's great... for them! 
Wish I was too!
I'll just have to play through my own zombie apocalypse!
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I really didn't enjoy the second episode.
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The second episode of 'The Walking Dead', though - well, IMO it was a couple of steps down from the first episode, but still good enough to keep me watching even though I am not a fan of zombies and generally will not give anything zombie-related a chance.
The day after the second episode aired I asked someone if they watched 'Walking With Zombies'...
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I don't mind the idea that the Zombie Apocalypse in this show is just a pretense to present a "Lord of the Flies" type morality story. I don't need the humans to be constantly fighting zombies non-stop every minute of every episode. On the other hand I do expect this story to eventually start providing hints as to how/why the zombies happened in the first place. I don't need that revelation to be the main focus of the story, but I think it's important enough that if they keep dodging it I'm pretty sure I'll lose interest in this show pretty quickly. I don't even really need the human characters able to "solve" the zombie problem - it could very well be something the remaining human population will never be able to stop. But I still want to know why it happened to put the situation into its proper context.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
The Walking Dead is about the characters, not the zombies. It could just as easily have been a nuclear war or alien invasion that caused the apocalypse, but it was zombies this time around. You get to see the underpinings of what it takes to survive and just how far people are willing to go. You see the dark sides of humanity (and believe me, there are parts that are EXTREMELY dark) as well as the little beacons of light that make us redeemable.
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By the second episode of 'The Event' I knew I was done with that show. Mass quantities of MEH.
The second episode of 'The Walking Dead', though - well, IMO it was a couple of steps down from the first episode, but still good enough to keep me watching even though I am not a fan of zombies and generally will not give anything zombie-related a chance. The day after the second episode aired I asked someone if they watched 'Walking With Zombies'... |
I may be laughing about that all day.
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I just morphed that 'Walking With Zombies' into a program like 'Dancing With The Stars' in my mind.
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I'm a zombie man and I can't talk
What's that noise? You smell like food
Well I don't mind if you've been chewed
And now it's all right, it's okay
And you can run the other way
We will do what we do
Dead folks walkin' after you
Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother
We will eat you alive, eat you alive
Hey now we ain't fakin' you're tastin' just like bacon
And we'll eat you alive, eat you alive
Ah, ha, ha, ha, eat you alive, eat you alive
Ah, ha, ha, ha, eat you ali-i-i-i-i-i-i-ive
I think that episode topped the first. I spent more time freaking out and yelling at the monitor than I have in years.
"One more thing. He's an organ donor." Perfect tension breaker.
Glenn got out! And the preview for next week's episode reunites Rick with Laurie, Shane and Carl, and brings Michael Rooker back for at least one more episode. I just spent a week bouncing up and down in anticipation of this episode... I don't know how I'm going to make it through the next week of waiting.
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