Don't go Free to Play(F2P), COH

This was the funniest quote of the day. Amen!! I like the F2P heroes start in Galaxy City :-) and the ignore F2P "feature" request :-)

Well that "one-liner" fit with the "I'm older than X" theme.
I never promised it would be able to stand up to too much temporal analysis.

Your okay, FTP still means file transfer protocol.

Gopher! Man, that brings back memories!

And if you think that'd confuse the new kids, mention FINGER.

( For the young-uns. It was a protocol that would tell you if someone was logged on to a system (and show a message sig if they'd added one) that caused many an awkward moment. This was back in a time where, if you were lucky, maybe 20% of a university population made use of the Internet (often via Gopher) and less than 5% of the local population did... so the jargon was even less known than we see today.

Imagine the looks from this scenario: sitting at a crowded all-night college diner (before they started calling em "coffee houses") and listening to your friend rant that his girlfriend at another University had an online addiction, "... I mean, I fingered her CONSTANTLY for over four hours last night and she never logged off."

It's not the years, it's the mileage. I'm young enough NOT to remember the moon landing, but my odometer's rolled over more than once already. My warranty is shot & I'm starting to wonder when my wife's gonna look into trading me in for a newer model.

I watched the moon landing.

What exactly were you expecting from an MMO? Dividends? A pension?

I could give 10 more without breaking a sweat of how the game going F2P did indeed change the experience of the lifetime or subscribed player for the worse, from game performance, things being charged for that used to be free, and the new attitude of the F2P people impacting the general enjoyment of the game.

This is NOT a positive change. The moment CoX decides to go F2P will be the day I shut down my account.


You use the word content, but I think you're really meaning levels, no matter what you say downthread. There is a LOT of content in this game. I haven't even seen it all and I've been playing for 6 years. Just because there is a lot of repetitive content in the game doesn't mean it all is, or that there aren't interesting storylines and environments to explore. I do not believe that one can blow through ALL the CONTENT in this game in 6 weeks, unless one is playing upward of 8 hour a day.

Lets hope there is a CoH2 if CoH/V ever gets shut down.

Now your taking what was said out of context. What Chase pointed out was that the people that paid for lifetime subscriptions aren't being restricted from getting the exact same thing the current subscribers are getting in those games. They haven't been told they need to start paying a sub fee or their account will be restricted.

The problems you're describing affect all players in that particular game from free players, to monthly subscribers, to lifers.


And no I'm not saying I 'd like this game to go F2P.

(Wish I had seen this thread earlier.)

Yeah, about that...

The thing I don't get is that players jumped on a hunch about the layoffs and assumed that certain people were booted or shown the door with or without merit. Sure, it may have been that way or it may have been coincidence. We'll never know.

But, last I heard (and saw), he's now working as the Lead Animator for the competition.

Just sayin...

Actually, what I was responding to was "you see all 3 keep monthly-paid-subscription options that offer substantial benefit over the F2P'ers... so nothing really changes for any of them."

I'm just pointing out, from first-hand experience, that something has indeed changed for the subscribers of the game when it went F2P, and changed drastically. Like I said, that was a single example. There are a lot more, and things which have actually physically been changed in what the subscribed players had offered to them for free and the quality of that, since the game went F2P.

Nothing "changed" for the free players, because they weren't there before. And I have no interest whatsoever in how the restructure of the game to make it so they could do that inconveniences them or gives them poor play.

Pretty sure that was an error of assumption before he updated his profile. Last we knew, he's not working for Cryptic.

Probably going to get made an example of. Again. For asking. Again. But where did you hear/read this? You could always PM me. Thanks.

there is a bug in Linked-In that will reference older jobs when a current job status is changed.

Chase: that would be interesting if he was actually picked up by them.

(And I am sorry I derailed this thread)

He started with them earlier this month and has them listed as current employer with Paragon as past employer, with end date also this month. ( There are plenty of outside resources... just have to know where to look :P )

Check the job description. If it were a bug, the job title would be the same, yet this one is slightly different.

Sadly, I honestly wouldn't know. It became apparent to me that many of the things I HATED about Fantasy MMOs were actually selling points to the genre's fans, so I've long since given up on my ability to judge their merit objectively. I just figured there were many, many games so at least one was bound to be good, but I could be wrong.

That's what I had in mind as "alternatives," yes. I'm under no illusions that City of Heroes will outlive me unless I meet an unexpected end, but it is still my hope that the franchise's popularity (such as it is) will be enough to greenlight a sequel or a replacement of some sort, even if it's a spiritual one. I'm most married to the freedom of expression and user-friendly gameplay of City of Heroes than to the actual specific lore in question, even though it's very well-written... For the most part.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Well, I do agree that personal information should be withheld, but if it's something he was comfortable personally updating on a website viewed by millions...

The reason I posted this was because, no matter what information is presented to people (regarding this thread and topic), people will jump to conclusions before there is any proof and start rumors that others see as gold. The reason I even noticed this thread was because of conversation in a global channel of people talking that "coh is going free-2-play because the competition is.)

Sure, it's people getting information from other players but it eventually snowballs into "truth."

Just because we see something, and we want to/not believe it, it doesn't make it any more true/false. That's what I was getting at.

Ah I see. Thank you for clarifying.

Those changes are what I hate about games changing to an F2P model. I've yet to see one where gameplay itself wasn't affected negatively.

I have to disagree. The experience as a paying customer is much different in a "Free" to Play MMO as opposed to a subscription-based MMO. Even if your old subscription still covers the same extras, others will be added that even YOU will have to pay for, because... Well, that's how they're making money.

I dislike games which are obviously trying to sell me something as I play. Each time I go to the site there's a "NEW SALE! Get 10 items for the price of five, only today!" or "I could sell you some really cool stuff for a discount, but what you're paying right now just isn't cutting it." And even if YOU don't have to pay for these things, the entire game starts feeling like someone jammed a permanent commercial break into it. It's all over the launcher, all over the updater, you see it in loading screens, it's all over the site... The game is trying to sell you things, even if you're already paying.

Right now, I feel like a paying customer, one who is paying "enough." The game is happy to take my money and never mention it again, to the point where I keep forgetting I'm actually paying for it. Sure, we get the occasional ad for a new Booster pack on the updater from time to time, but that's the extent of it. There are no in-game real money shops, there are no in-game real-money services... There are no real money in-game at all.

You can never pay "enough" money for a "Free" to Play game, because it will always try to suck more out of you. You very much CAN pay enough for a subscription-based game, because your one subscription pays for everything.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I agree with you on this.