Don't go Free to Play(F2P), COH
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Posted on: 2010-10-27 07:26 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
Why do people say things like this?
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I hate having my sessions held up because your almost a day away from me.
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Play and support your region! Show your intelligence and purchase your regional copy.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
If I hear another lame excuse like " I accidentally bought a NA edition." I'm going to puke...we can see your through your lies.
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Why would Koreans want to play with NA?
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
I get plenty of regional spam now on CoH. Why would I want global spam?
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What impression did you think people would get when you make comments like those?
I wouldn't mind Paragon Studios making City of Heroes/Villains free to play if the game greatly benefited from it.
City of Heroes/Villains could also go free to play the moment CoH2 launches. If CoH2 is real at all.
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Because your posts convey both ignorance and arrogance about many things relevant to what you're whinging on about. A fair number of other people, including myself, have addressed specific inaccuracies and assumptions in your posts. So your reply drives home the point that you've made up your mind about the state of things and are ignoring any facts that conflict with that model.|
Originally Posted by Residentx10
Why do people say things like this? "Either way, a fair bit of your recent posting seems to combine misinformation with narrowminded intolerance and provincialism."
Is this for me or for publisher? I know what I posted. For what it's worth you can call me an idiot...that's how much I think of your opinion. Moving along, all of us everyday are protecting what we invest in. Some do it with their cars, families, looks, jobs, kids, marriages, or whatever. Who wants to invest in something that is ending? |
To paraphrase the Doctor: "The very powerful and very stupid have something in common: instead of changing their opinions to match reality they change reality to match their opinions."
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There's a reason we use "F2P" to mean Free To Play in these conversations, and it's not because we're lazy, trying to be cute, or like textspeak. It's because "FTP" already means something in computer parlance, and has for over forty years. Please don't confuse things by making up your own acronyms.
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Originally Posted by Venture
As for i20 being the start of FTP...
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Then quit wasting ours...
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
Optimism is the delusional thinking of the young. Talk to any older person about "Confidence" Hahahahahahaha.
Have you ever heard the phrase, "A sucker is born every minute?" Where do you think that came from? All suckers were "confident" they could win. If you want me to be honest, I feel stupid for investing in this game. I have wasted 8 months of life. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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And you're suggesting that as long a CoH DOESN'T become a F2P game then "wasting 8 months of life" as you put it would be OK?|
Originally Posted by Residentx10
If you want me to be honest, I feel stupid for investing in this game. I have wasted 8 months of life.
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I think you have more to worry about than the fate of the payment structure of this game...
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Basically, the F2P is speculation. This is a business but just ask the user what they want to pay for. I see all of these companies doing everything but talking directly to the users. Niches can be profitable if the terms are well negotiated. I would be willing to pay more under the right conditions. But business is business. Change means less. Charge more and give less. This why they don't want to talk to us because we won't agree to this.
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Originally Posted by Seldom
Free to play is has the advantage that it allows the skeptics in, but rather than asking for a price upfront before allowing them in for an evaluation. However, this game has trial accounts already to do this.
Free to play is a gamble, in that rather than allowing access for 200 paying players, it allows 2000 hoping that 11% will pay at least $15 a month in purchases. If more than that pay, it's the obvious business choice. If less, then it's a failure. At that point it's all about how good the game comes off to those 2000 players that they actually want to stay and pony up for stuff. ..And if it's too good, they have no incentive to pay for extra. What would CoX do? level cap 40 for non-payers? No power pools for non-payers? SF/TF's for a fee? No IO's for non-payers? One or two characters available unless you pay? The trick is that there's a fine edge between luring in players with palatable goodies for a price, and annoying the entitled new crowd by locking stuff away that seems arbitrary. Nevermind the PR balancing act that happens when long-time customers feel cheated after paying hundreds of dollars, some over a thousand, for the game in the past. The even worse outcome is when people don't like your buyable content, and you're forced to either (a) restrict free stuff even further, so that the new players have to pay for stuff that was once free, or (b) go back to a subscription model, removing everything that the free player once had. I'm not sure I see NCsoft wanting any of these options just yet, as there's a lot of uncertainty and headaches involved. The fact is, it has to bring in more cash than the subscriber+booster sales already already does, and have a low probability of actually reducing game income. The game is lower in population, but not to the point that I see the bigwigs rolling the at this time. |
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Going by his wild and wacky posts so far... He might actually mean that the big thing Issue 20 is bringing us, the one sole reason why people participating in its closed beta need to sign a physical NDA: Issue 20 is finally bringing us File Transfer Protocol. |
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
There's a reason we use "F2P" to mean Free To Play in these conversations, and it's not because we're lazy, trying to be cute, or like textspeak. It's because "FTP" already means something in computer parlance, and has for over forty years. Please don't confuse things by making up your own acronyms.
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If you came into playing a pretendy funtime game thinking it was a long term investment instead of just a temporal form of entertainment, I think we all know who the sucker is.
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
Optimism is the delusional thinking of the young. Talk to any older person about "Confidence" Hahahahahahaha.
Have you ever heard the phrase, "A sucker is born every minute?" Where do you think that came from? All suckers were "confident" they could win. If you want me to be honest, I feel stupid for investing in this game. I have wasted 8 months of life. |
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Originally Posted by Residentx10
If you want me to be honest, I feel stupid for investing in this game. I have wasted 8 months of life.
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People that honestly think a game is a waste of time don't continue to pay to play it.
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I think this game is explicitly a waste of time. However, I have a lot of time on my hands and it's a pleasurable way to waste it, so I'm glad to pay for the privilege.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
People that honestly think a game is a waste of time don't continue to pay to play it.
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Quiet you, or I'll withhold your spankings. |
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
I think this game is explicitly a waste of time. However, I have a lot of time on my hands and it's a pleasurable way to waste it, so I'm glad to pay for the privilege.
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If it does go F2P, all I ask is for the following.
1. That I can still pay my 15 bucks a month to get my CoX fix.
2. Everything continues on like normal otherwise for those paying the sub fee. New issues, new content, that kind of thing.
3. Make all the F2P heroes start in Galaxy City and have to purchase access to Atlas.
4. A new starter zone for Villians given the same treatment.
5. If those cannot be done, at least allow me to ignore all F2P players or at the very least tripple the size of my ignore list.
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I'm just looking forward to telling my accountant that money spent on a MMO can now be considered an "investment".|
Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
If you came into playing a pretendy funtime game thinking it was a long term investment instead of just a temporal form of entertainment, I think we all know who the sucker is.
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I wonder if I'll have to pay capital gains on that.
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If they make the F2P players use the EU servers they won't have to do #'s 3, 4, and 5.
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Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
If it does go F2P, all I ask is for the following.
1. That I can still pay my 15 bucks a month to get my CoX fix. 2. Everything continues on like normal otherwise for those paying the sub fee. New issues, new content, that kind of thing. 3. Make all the F2P heroes start in Galaxy City and have to purchase access to Atlas. 4. A new starter zone for Villians given the same treatment. 5. If those cannot be done, at least allow me to ignore all F2P players or at the very least tripple the size of my ignore list. |
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I just repeated this on Facebook, maybe it should go here too.|
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
There's a reason we use "F2P" to mean Free To Play in these conversations, and it's not because we're lazy, trying to be cute, or like textspeak. It's because "FTP" already means something in computer parlance, and has for over forty years. Please don't confuse things by making up your own acronyms.
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(I've probably been on the net since before you were born. To the vast majority of today's netizens FTP is as alien as Gopher.)
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Strike that, reverse it. Everyone knows all the cool people start in Galaxy.
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Originally Posted by HelinCarnate
3. Make all the F2P heroes start in Galaxy City and have to purchase access to Atlas..
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"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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I hope it's tax deductible.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I'm just looking forward to telling my accountant that money spent on a MMO can now be considered an "investment".
I wonder if I'll have to pay capital gains on that. |
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You'd be wrong. I'm older than the internet. You have a vastly overinflated sense of yourself.
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Originally Posted by Venture
(I've probably been on the net since before you were born. To the vast majority of today's netizens FTP is as alien as Gopher.)
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So that means you're older than Al Gore?|
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
You'd be wrong. I'm older than the internet.
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Sorry, I couldn't resist myself with that.
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Whatever happened to the lawsuit that idiot filed claiming NCSoft makes their games too addictive? Has that been laughed out of court yet?
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Originally Posted by Lothic
So that means you're older than Al Gore?
Sorry, I couldn't resist myself with that. |
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Hmm...sorry, that's just you. Sending somebody an FTP is pretty darned common nowadays. But that might just be me in the corporate/digital realm.
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Originally Posted by Venture
(I've probably been on the net since before you were born. To the vast majority of today's netizens FTP is as alien as Gopher.)
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This'd be about the one way to do F2P without me largely leaving the game out of annoyance. So I approve!
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Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
Devil's advocate here... (I was gonna quote the "bless you ClawsandEffect" thread instead). What if they took the path used at least one other recent game giving F2P options and made separate F2P servers? Gives you separation of the two player cultures....
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