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I don't want them to remove it - I just want them to change it to a non-offensive name - just like they removed the Italian flag from the "Untouchable" badge because it was offensive in the context it was used in.

looks more like 5 HP to me

I actually was not trying to win the argument. I know that unreasonable people can not be reasoned with. I am willing to admit that the action she is so upset about was horrible, but demanding the name of a badge be changed will not change that and is silly. The name is very appropriate to the INTENT of the book it was supposedly named after AND to the action being taken in the game.

Or if you want to talk about the silliness of not killing someone trying to use a laser blaster/machine gun/super powers/etc against you . . . Well, I would not be trying to arrest anyone in that situation. That would needlessly create a greater risk to my own life. I would take them out permanently and I am pretty sure a lot of people, probably most people agree with me.

Overall though, I was not trying to win, I just wanted people to see what I believe to be the foolishness of her arguments.

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Lawl!

And Wolverine absolutely kills enemies all the time, because he's a hero and that is what a lot of them do.

See above, sorry. I'm pretty sure Batman does as well - he's killed the Joker at least once. I'd call Batman a pretty iconic superhero.

A few superheroes such as Spider-man do not kill their opponents. A great many DO, however, and you can argue that they DON'T till you are blue in the face, but the fact is that everyone with even a small knowledge of comics knows that.... yeah, they often do. This is the reality of the comics genre.

If you ever actually read Mark Millar's "Wanted"... I dont think you could handle that. It is about villians, granted but I dont think you could handle that well at all. Metahumans are a murderous bunch, villain OR hero. In the Marvel UNiverse a lot of people actually do not like heroes much, because they are seen as massively destructive of property and of life. If the Hulk rampaged through your apartment during a battle, would you be ok with that? I sure wouldnt.

As a matter of fact, I well remember the Anniversary event where "name" heroes were spawning all over the place. Back Alley Brawler showed up at the Cap au Diable BM and started killing everyone in sight. People were mildly going about their businesss at the market and he was one-shotting 'em... Now that is a hero for you, lol... but VERY TRUE TO THE GENRE.

As for whoever made the comment about our opponents not dying because their bodies vanish after a minute or two, my understanding was that this is not due to the fact that they miraculously got teleported to a hospital, but that the more bodies are lying around, the more graphics-intensive things get = increased lag. They vanish as a service to us, to reduce lag.

I know all of this accords ill with your hearts-and-flowers worldview, but sorry.

The ends justify the means. So everyone thinks they are just a killer? Not much heroic in that. What I find delusional is if all you do is kill, kill, kill and see yourself as a heroic figure or evil genius but you are nothing more than a super-powered murderer.

Agreed. I always thought the game lore was a bit silly in that.

But here's the main point: The lore DOES say you aren't killing them.

There's actually going to be an arc in Issue 19 about why civilians don't have hospital portal technology. And the civilians are asking for it since the Praetorian war is starting.

The way I see it is that you can use laser blaster/machine gun/super powers/etc. against your oppoentns (and them against you) and it not be a violation of the Geneva convetion precisely because in the COH universe portal technology exists. And unless I've got my COH history wrong it exists because of the MASSIVE amount of rikti the superheroes (and villains) had to battle during the first rikti invasion.

I find that to be silly, but the storyline of City of Hereos is what it is.

Both you and GG are correct for different reasons.

Agreed. But one point of clarification: Batman is usually against killing. In fact him and Superman shunned Wonder woman for a time because she killed this psycho mind controlling villain that had Superman under mind control. They eventually forgave her.

EDIT2: and she was put on trial and was ACQUITTED btw. ;-)

About him killing the Joker I'm not so sure about as DC Universe history has been retconned so many times it's not even funny.

Bottom line: The idea that superheros never kill is utter and complete foolishness and comics history DOES NOT back that up.

EDIT: Also pretty sure one of the biggest boyscout superheroes of all time, Superman, seriously DID consider killing Doomsday (permanently) at one time. He would have been justified.

Yea, sucks doesn't it.

"Hey Skybolt! You just saved the world from total annihilation but your still a murderer!"

"Hey Electro-Kid, thank you for killing those men before they could **** my daughter, but you still a murderer!"

"Hey Batman, you just killed Two Face before he could murder thousands of people, but your still a MURDERER!"

It's all about perspective.

This. Also see my above post about Wonder Woman killing a psycho mind controlling villain who had Superman under his complete control, and how she was put on trial and acquitted.

which is VERY ironic due to what his current origin story is.

True, they do it on occasion, where the greater need is met. However, they don't kill everyone they fight, as GMan3 is suggesting is happening in-game.

Good points all around Aura_Familia. I just don't buy into the goody-two-shoes lore of the game. I know it is a fantasy Super Hero Game and not supposed to be all that realistic, but this particular part of it is TOO unrealistic.

there are some rather...not so goody-two-shoes heroes, sadly atm I can't remember their freaking names and it's irritating the crap out of me...

"Hey Skybolt, thanks for killing those Hellions before they painted the side of my shop"

"Hey Electro-Kid, thanks for killing those Tsoo and getting my purse back"

"Hey Batman, thanks for killing the hundreds of thugs that worked for Two-Face even the accountants, lawyers, maintenance repairmen, security guards, etc. They were just as bad as Two-Face."

Yeah, its all about perspective. I agree.

Manticore comes to mind. As does whoever it was that created the vigilante squad known as Longbow. Not to mention several of the Spuer Powered "Higher Ups" in Longbow itself. At least these are stated in the "Lore" of the game as such.

Oh very good points. Well except that if I get close to them, they attack me and I am now defending myself. Good try. Better luck next time.

"Security Level 5 Mr.Hellion, please don't attack my security level 50 tank. I will have no choice but to kill you even though I can withstand your attacks until the end of time."

it's all fun and games till they find that crack in your armor

Is that when you bend over to pick up a quarter?

Oh, even better . . . or not. I don't kill things that can't fight back. It's a personal issue of mine. Try again. You may manage to trip me up before I go off to bed.

Hey, you said that attack you. Why backpedaling?

It's ok. I understand you now.

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