Discussion: 78 Month Veteran Reward: Purposeful
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Posted on: 2010-10-21 24:00 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Word it however you like Daystar, your idea IS a micro-transaction. If they "sell" the reward sooner than normal, it is a micro-transaction. If they at least allowed you to pay your account forward then you received the subscription time AND the Veteran Reward at the same time, then that is just your normal subscription, with a small perk, as far as I am concerned.|
Originally Posted by Daystar_NA
except that AGAIN you bring up micro-transactions, and while i agree with you that micro-transactions are bad, my suggestion had NOTHING to do with micro-transactions. a micro-transaction is when they provide content that can ONLY be obtained by spending extra money. vet rewards are obtained by waiting. allowing people to spend a lot of extra money to shorten that wait is NOT the same as denying them that content entirely until they pay. a system like this already exists in-game. once every 12 months (or so) a free character slot is added to the vet reward. you could (in theory) unlock all available slots simply by waiting long enough, or you can spend extra money to buy more slots right now. again, this is NOT a micro-transaction because what you get would come to you for free anyway if you just wait long enough.
i also am unclear as to why you don't like my idea. it would affect you in no way, it would make some people happy, and would make the company more money. and, since my definition of a win-win is where everyone is either unaffected or happy, this looks like a win-win to me. if you still have some real problem with my idea i would like to hear it, as long as you can do it without mentioning micro-transactions. |
In the end though, I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
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yeah, didn't think so. so, in summary, GMan3 doesn't like micro-transactions, anyone have an opinion about vet rewards being made purchasable?
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Originally Posted by GMan3
Word it however you like Daystar, your idea IS a micro-transaction. If they "sell" the reward sooner than normal, it is a micro-transaction. If they at least allowed you to pay your account forward then you received the subscription time AND the Veteran Reward at the same time, then that is just your normal subscription, with a small perk, as far as I am concerned.
In the end though, I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. |
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They're already purchasable. You get them for buying game time.
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Originally Posted by Daystar_NA
yeah, didn't think so. so, in summary, GMan3 doesn't like micro-transactions, anyone have an opinion about vet rewards being made purchasable?
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Considering how the discussion has been in here recently, you probably don't want to be waving that common sense around so wildly...
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Originally Posted by ArwenDarkblade
They're already purchasable. You get them for buying game time.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Considering how the discussion has been in here recently, you probably don't want to be waving that common sense around so wildly...
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Perhaps its time for the game to progress beyond a reward every three months, perhaps every 6 months or yearly, then the Devs have much more time to come up with something more "epic" ( if you will) Not that i am saying the free one time use xp is bad, it's pretty cool but perhaps an improvement on it would be a 25 to 50% exp bonus ( or somehwhere in between) for 1/2 hour a day ( doesn't apply to Ae missions in any way) that way it't something the older vets get for being loyal to the game, and the power levelers cant get it untill they have played the game for 6.5 years(ish) A one time use xp bonus for someone who has played the game since it's retail release is a little weak to be honest.
If your playing a toon that has already lvled to 50 ( more lvls please) then perhaps it could be applied to inf instead, 25 to 50% inf bonus ( or somehwhere in between) for 1/2 hour a day. though the bonus inf shouldn't be allowed to be used to buy SG prestige ( quite honestly no inf it should be. Prestige should be earned not purchased since there is a ranking system involved and some SG's use that to promote thier SG's)
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I may have read this wrong, but the power is usable 5 times and gives you a half level of +50% XP. You just have to make the kills in order to get the bonus XP. Unfortunately, it seems to still be bugged and not working properly, at least according to some recent posts.
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Originally Posted by Optic_Spark
Perhaps its time for the game to progress beyond a reward every three months, perhaps every 6 months or yearly, then the Devs have much more time to come up with something more "epic" ( if you will) Not that i am saying the free one time use xp is bad, it's pretty cool but perhaps an improvement on it would be a 25 to 50% exp bonus ( or somehwhere in between) for 1/2 hour a day ( doesn't apply to Ae missions in any way) that way it't something the older vets get for being loyal to the game, and the power levelers cant get it untill they have played the game for 6.5 years(ish) A one time use xp bonus for someone who has played the game since it's retail release is a little weak to be honest.
If your playing a toon that has already lvled to 50 ( more lvls please) then perhaps it could be applied to inf instead, 25 to 50% inf bonus ( or somehwhere in between) for 1/2 hour a day. though the bonus inf shouldn't be allowed to be used to buy SG prestige ( quite honestly no inf it should be. Prestige should be earned not purchased since there is a ranking system involved and some SG's use that to promote thier SG's) - my 2₵ |
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Seriously, the vet rewards that have been handed out are not something that i would continue to pay to play to get. the vet rewards are NOT something that make the game unbalanced in anyway shape or form, and YES it should be something that ONLY vets get because it's called a loyalty program, you have payed for 3 months to play, why not get a bonus thank you from the devs ? 1 Year, why not get a bigger bonus. |
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
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My objection to veteran rewards is based on a simple principle: I am utterly against veterans getting abilities other players cannot replicate. Exclusive costumes, City Traveller, and this proposal would all qualify. (The permanent Temporary Powers do not qualify, however, as each one is available from some story arc that can be repeated in Ouroboros, so these bonuses are available to other players.) I can see the value of Veteran Rewards in the form of "nice little bonuses so you don't have to do as much work now that you've been playing so long". "Nice little bonuses that give you abilities/options completely new", on the other hand, are divisive and destructive; especially at this late date, new players aren't going to see a 6+ year reward as something "great to look forward to", but something they will never get, thus making veterans "better" than them. You do not want new players feeling like they will never catch up and never get the good stuff if you keep adding bonuses like this to the end of the rewards cycle, and thus rewards need to be those that give a bonus, but not an insurmountable advantage. |
Personally, since I got my trench-coat and angel/demon wings, I can't give a rats furry butt about the vet rewards, I mean I like them and I am glad to get them when it's time, but by no means do i count down the days untill i get it. most of the time, i have completely forgoten about them untill i log in and it tells me that i have a vet reward earned.
I seriously doubt the people that have just come to CoH are seriously depressed because that can't get angel/demon wings untill they played the game for 18 months ( iirc) or that 5 free bars for exp just because a 78 month vet got it. the people who have just come over to CoH are more impressed with what they CAN do, not with what they cant get right now. The rewards are available to EVERY PLAYER, you just have to EARN them.
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OK, this power means nothing to my 12 level 50s (2/3rds of which I play regularly). And just to clarify, it does not give influence instead when used by a lvl 50.
The only characters this would really mean anything to are those under lvl 50.
Is it bugged? No. The power works properly.
Is it a level up button? No, absolutely not.
One use (rchg of 2 hrs) gives 5 bars of patrol xp, NOT xp. In other words you get the blued background for 5 bubs, the same as you get "for every 24 hours a character spends logged out, they accumulate 1 bar of Patrol XP, with a maximum of 10 bars."
"Patrol XP is a bonus 50% experience for any critter defeats. While credit remains, any XP earned by a character due to defeating critters is multiplied by 150%, the extra 50% of which is deducted from Patrol XP accumulation. When all Patrol XP has been worked off, the character's rate of earning XP will return to normal. Patrol XP is not applied to the bonus XP gained from other sources such as mission completion, Story Arc/Task Force completion or Exploration Badges."
Overall, it's an OK power, nothing spectacular. I so rarely play my alts that when I do log onto one they're already maxed out for Patrol xp anyways.
When will this power be handy? For me, really only when they release another new power set I'd be interested in leveling up.
My overall rating of this "free" power as a veteran reward for playing 6 1/2 yrs is 3 out of 5, but hey, it's free so really, YAY! 
But, I don't know any 6+ year vets that don't have at least a couple lvl 50s, so would have rather seen it instantly fill/convert our inspiration trays with/to all large size insps,
or, at the least when used by a level 50, instantly apply that same spread of insps you get when you level up for real. Then it would have been kind of a cool "holy $h*t!" button. LOL
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Back when I had only a year of veteran rewards, I got really excited about a character idea for an angel character. There was absolutely no way for me to make that character, unless I completely surrendered my idea for "angel". Even now, without Veteran Rewards, the only way I could make that character would be if I could fit it with "armoured angel" and use the Valkyrie wings. If I hadn't just found a VG I really clicked with and stuck around for them, I probably would have stopped playing (again) right then and there. |
Originally Posted by Optic_Spark
I seriously doubt the people that have just come to CoH are seriously depressed because that can't get angel/demon wings untill they played the game for 18 months
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"Angel" is not a complex super-hero idea - it comes up all the time. "Wings" isn't a complex super-hero idea. There is absolutely no good reason whatsoever for wings or trenchcoats to be locked away behind any hurdle, let alone a veteran hurdle. The fact that "shorts", for males, is locked behind over three years of veteran hurdles is even worse.
Geez, Vet rewards are more and more fake as we wait to get them.
I mean, come on, first ones were great; costum parts, nice temps, base stuff etc...
And now, in reward for these years of playing, they give us this "fake xp booster" that is just useless for any lvl50 characters ???
That's what they call a VETERAN REWARD ?
Don't tell me you want more this ridicule "xp booster" than stuff like Origins pack or Party pack, or even Character or Architect story slots; those would have been so much coolier vet rewards...
But it seem they changed their mind and make us to pay for it and give us crap instead...
Given the fact lvling is very fast and easy in this game, even one costum part would have been better...
I understand people who'll love this reward, but frankly it would fit better a 3 months Vet than a 3 years one...
I really love the game, that's why I talk not for complaining but to improve it, cuz the last Vet rewards are really disappointing.
What will be the next ? A small inspi ?
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Hey, a power that would cause a small Inspiration to drop (with, say a five minute recharge) would be pretty handy.|
Originally Posted by Blatte
What will be the next ? A small inspi ?
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Especially when your blaster is planted on the pavement and needs a yellow to combine for a wakie.
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There are unarmoued Valkyrie wings too. Which look pretty freakin cool.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Back when I had only a year of veteran rewards, I got really excited about a character idea for an angel character. There was absolutely no way for me to make that character, unless I completely surrendered my idea for "angel". Even now, without Veteran Rewards, the only way I could make that character would be if I could fit it with "armoured angel" and use the Valkyrie wings. If I hadn't just found a VG I really clicked with and stuck around for them, I probably would have stopped playing (again) right then and there.
"Angel" is not a complex super-hero idea - it comes up all the time. "Wings" isn't a complex super-hero idea. There is absolutely no good reason whatsoever for wings or trenchcoats to be locked away behind any hurdle, let alone a veteran hurdle. The fact that "shorts", for males, is locked behind over three years of veteran hurdles is even worse. |
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Actually, I would love this. I think it's a perfect fit for "useful, but not overpowering".
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Originally Posted by 4_Thirty_5
Hey, a power that would cause a small Inspiration to drop (with, say a five minute recharge) would be pretty handy.
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How very odd... given that I made an angel character in the first few months of this game... you know... before vet rewards, or wings of any kind existed. |
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Back when I had only a year of veteran rewards, I got really excited about a character idea for an angel character. There was absolutely no way for me to make that character, unless I completely surrendered my idea for "angel".
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Has anyone ever got this power to work? Anytime I claim it I get absolutely nothing.
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Vet rewards have kept me subbed through some times when I'd have likely turned off my account, so in this case at least they do the job they were designed for.
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there are plenty of badges/costume pieces/etc I'll never have access to for this or that reason. I flatly reject the premise that all rewards have to easily available to everyone in the game. I enjoy those I earn and don't lose sleep over those I'll never have.
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a secret hide out that only you can get to.
or incarnat shardes or power
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
the more people whine about vet powers being mean to the 'casual gamer' the greater the enjoyment they bring me.
they've kept me subbed through some times when I'd have likely turned off my account, so in this case at least they do the job they were designed for. |
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Originally Posted by Santorican
You really are evil aren't you?
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I've helped teach more people how to get rich in this game than you've got total forum posts.
But I guess you've cured cancer or something?
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As thoroughly irritating as some of Nether's posts may have been in the last few months, I can vouch that, at least in the past, he's been one of the more beneficial posters in the community, dispensing good advice on many an occasion.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I've helped teach more people how to get rich in this game than you've got total forum posts.
But I guess you've cured cancer or something? |
This is probably irritates me more than if he'd never been constructive, as I could then just ignore him.
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Pretty much this. Very bland. I've heard lots of complaints ingame that it's a total nothing reward.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
EQ2 had a vet reward that capped your vitality (i.e. patrol exp here) and you could use it once a week. Forever. On each character.
This vet reward. Meh. Not going to complaint about it, but it's nothing to write home about. |
I'd rather see something like the holiday rez power made into the next vet reward. I'd get more use out of that personally on my squishies or on really bad pugs
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you'd need to be able to choose the insp you wanted then otherwise the rng would give your face planted blaster something you totally wouldn't need.
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Originally Posted by 4_Thirty_5
Hey, a power that would cause a small Inspiration to drop (with, say a five minute recharge) would be pretty handy.
Especially when your blaster is planted on the pavement and needs a yellow to combine for a wakie. |
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Hope that clears things up for you.
i also am unclear as to why you don't like my idea. it would affect you in no way, it would make some people happy, and would make the company more money. and, since my definition of a win-win is where everyone is either unaffected or happy, this looks like a win-win to me. if you still have some real problem with my idea i would like to hear it, as long as you can do it without mentioning micro-transactions.