Most would become supervillains if given superpowers, study says.


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The second part is easy to fix... stop imprisoning people for things that shouldn't be illegal. No killing needed.
Sorry GG err Durakken, you'll have to be more specific than that.


 

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If I ever gotten superpowers, first thing I would do is go to a place where I am sure nobody was around so they couldnt get hurt or see who or what I was doing and explore my new powers, find out what exactly I could do, what my weaknesses were, what my limitations were and so on and so forth. Then when I was done with that I would make it, FREE ICE CREAM FOR EVERYBODY!!!! MUAHAHAHAHA!!!
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This.

At last somebody treats the article with the seriousness it deserves.


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I will settle for a few at a time. Enough to walk into a nest of terrorists and kill everyone there in a few seconds.
Even the hostages?


 

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Sorry GG err Durakken, you'll have to be more specific than that.
Pretty sure I can't in the forums...Not sure if it qualifies as political or not.


 

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Some of my favorite quotes regarding Good Intentions:

The evil that is in the world almost always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.
Albert Camus

One lives with so many bad deeds on one's conscience and some good intentions in one's heart.
John Dewey

Life is short and if you're looking for extension, you had best do well. 'Cause there's good deeds and then there's good intentions. They are as far apart as Heaven and Hell.
Ben Harper
A couple of more sayings:

"the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" Londo Mollari of Babylon 5 pretty much embodies that saying.

"Evil triumphs when good does nothing."


 

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Pretty sure I can't in the forums...Not sure if it qualifies as political or not.
Fair enough, but I don't think there's enough of those types of laws to put a significant dent in prison populations, but I'm pretty sure they aren't the ones I'm thinking of when I think of applying a death penalty.


 

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A couple of more sayings:

"the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" Londo Mollari of Babylon 5 pretty much embodies that saying.

"Evil triumphs when good does nothing."
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On a similar point, while I don't exactly agree with the Spewer of Smilies in this particular instance, the self-satisfied cynicism people are displaying in dismissing every positive thing anyone says scares me a lot more.
Because we know that self appointed judge, jury and executioner type people are a threat, but ultimately, their vision is limited. It's a reactive type of vigilantism, going after the perpetrators of bad deeds.

People like GG with superpowers who believe they have a completely moral vision, and know that what they do is inherently right and is not subject to debate - they will simply not be satisfied with capturing/punishing/executing evildoers. Anyone who dares to question their actions or dissent from their views is clearly immoral and a potential threat/criminal.

While GG will go on about Emperor Cole and Enriche and all of that nonsense, her cognitive dissonance about her own rhetoric frightens some. The Emperor is evil, so she would depose him and set up a democracy. And if she decided that the democracy was doing it wrong, she would tear down that government and set up another. While she would claim she did not want the power, she would have it de facto, because anyone who dared to think differently than she did would be wrong and, therefore, evil.

Combined with her unwillingness to make a hard choice - who do you save? - and her unshakable faith in her own moral judgment, a dose of real power would set her on a slippery slope. Capturing criminals? Great. How about those who preach bigotry and hate? Yes? Then what about a 14 year old engaging in anti-gay bullying? Is that within GG's hero portfolio? How about the teacher that tolerates the bullying in the classroom? How about the parents? Does your universal morality extend only to actions, or does it extend to the root causes? Do you wait with your hero powers until it is too late and the crime has already happened, or do you act before a crime is committed, therefore arresting someone who is innocent in deed, but perhaps not in thought? Proactive heroism can be a form of tyranny.

A murderous vigilante, while dangerous and a threat, has many more steps and phases to go through before they arrive at that point, and is therefore less of a threat and less scary. A vigilante defines who they are going after, and why, and can be predicted and stopped.

As to me, I'll save myself for saving people from disasters - tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, train wrecks, all that sort of thing.


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As to me, I'll save myself for saving people from disasters - tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, train wrecks, all that sort of thing.
I draw the line at natural disasters. People choose to live in places susceptible to natural disasters, so it's their own dang fault when they get b****-slapped by mother nature.


 

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I draw the line at natural disasters. People choose to live in places susceptible to natural disasters, so it's their own dang fault when they get b****-slapped by mother nature.

*Some* people choose where they live.


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*Some* people choose where they live.
You are right. Criminals who have been arrested don't have that choice, but they gave up the right to choose when they decided to break the law.


 

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GG is much less scary than the people proudly claiming they'd go around killing everybody. But maybe they are too screwed up to take seriously?
She doesn't scare me as I'd quickly go into some horse related business to eck out an existence under her leadership heh.



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Ehhh. I definitely wouldn't be a supervillain. I'd consider myself a hero, but odds are more likely that I'd be a vigilante... though I wouldn't kill--even now, I go out of my way to avoid killing insects, and I'm obviously vastly stronger than them. Broken bones on a human, on the other hand, will mend while they're in jail.

I would absolutely use my powers, whatever they were, to make my own life easier. I doubt I'd steal things, but I could see myself going, "Hey, I just saved your life. Either give me $50 or buy me dinner."

Of course, I've got my own eccentricities that affect what life would be like if I were a superhero. I wouldn't wear a costume or attempt to hide my identity, because I want people to know who the dude saving them is, but I'd still avoid media attention, because I don't particularly want to be famous.


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This is a really interesting thread, and I have to delve into it more in a little while when I have time, however, I would hope that not all would become evil. I hope I wouldn't.

I think of some of these oaths, or codes...

"First, do no harm."

"With great power, comes great responsibility."

"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

These are just three, there are many more...


First as a doctor, having (Super to the rest of us) knowledge that can heal as well as harm. Knowing that their actions can bankrupt a patient, cripple a patient, or cause the patent more harm through arrogance or miss diagnosis, and in some ways the cure could be worse than the sickness. The Hippocratic Oath has helped many a doctor make a choice that, without it, would find themselves perform evil actions without realizing it.

I always loved "With Great power comes great responsibility!" One of the best things to come from the Marvel Universe. This is a direct response from Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Its a reminder that with this power, one must restrain and consider before action. Peter made that mistake at first, he started as a villain, and all that got him was Uncle Ben's death. In Real life Average people find themselves in power over other people all the time, as a Boss to an Employee, as a Teacher over an impressionable Student, as a Cop over an alleged criminal, these people have power over others and they must act responsibility.

And Finally the Oath of Office. Who in the world has more direct power over the world than The President of the United States. But he must act in accordance to a code of law that the American People created, and his power is checked and balanced by two other governmental offices. Without this oath, Washington could have renamed himself George Washington the First King of America, (Some people expected him and even wanted him to do that.) But the Oath, and the creation of checks and balances has kept the Executive office a relatively benign force of good. (You can argue otherwise, but lets keep this civil)

Anyhoo, what I am saying is that Super Powers are a cultural Metaphor for what is happening today. In in today's world there are people with powers over others, and there is corruption that goes along with it, but not everyone is corrupted. There are good politicians trying to do good for their community, there are good doctors trying to heal rather than cause harm, and there are good people, helping others, every day, in small ways when they could take advantage.

So, I think if you add super powers to the mix, hopefully there will be some, some few, who will resist the urge to carve their faces into Mount Rushmore, and will take responsibility over them selves and their abilities.

As you can see, I'm an optimist.


 

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You are right. Criminals who have been arrested don't have that choice, but they gave up the right to choose when they decided to break the law.
true, but I was thinking more along the lines of people that just don't have the economic means to have a choice....like say, a lot of the tsunami victim from a few years back, or the folks in Haiti


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So, I think if you add super powers to the mix, hopefully there will be some, some few, who will resist the urge to carve their faces into Mount Rushmore, and will take responsibility over them selves and their abilities.
If I had the power I'd blow up Mount Rushmore... it's a monument to racism and shouldn't exist >.>


 

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What if you decide like Hamidon that the way to make the world a better place requires getting rid of the humans screwing it up?
Haha, good guess. But I wouldn't get rid of everyone. Just the unproductive scum of society. And my standing theory is that once the world learns what I'm doing, the people I haven't got to yet should shape up so that I -don't- have to go after them.


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If I had the power I'd blow up Mount Rushmore... it's a monument to racism and shouldn't exist >.>
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I love this thread!!!


My motto is this. The more powerful you become, the less interaction with humanity you should have.

The reason for this is that you still have the same frail human sensibilities that are effected by those around you. Your body may have become superhuman, but your mind has not. The perfect example of this done right is Dr. Manhattan, who evolved beyond petty human conflicts and eventually realized that he would always be tempted to interfere in the humanity if he stayed. Wall crawling, superspeed, even super strength are not much more than parlor tricks that still have limited uses, but become something god-like and it's a whole new ball game. Even self-imposed moral rationalities such as "Do no harm" or "Protect the innocent" will eventually have no meaning if they don't come with meaningful consequences to someone like you. With no evolved mental or emotional state, you will fall prey to your own human weaknesses and eventually become the villain.


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GG is much less scary than the people proudly claiming they'd go around killing everybody. But maybe they are too screwed up to take seriously?
The scariest villains are the ones that convince themselves that they are good, and proclaim thier goodness the loudest, while nursing bigorty in thier hearts. White Spandex or White Sheet.


 

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Do you seriously think you could solve anything by killing criminals?

Crime is not in the neighborhood of being the highest danger to humanity.
A dead criminal
-is no longer capable of committing crimes
-is no longer a burden on society.

I'm not saying crime prevention alone is enough to solve all of man's problems, mind you. But it's a step in the right direction.


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That is something i have observed as well. These kinds of threads are always rife with people giving her nonsense because she is a bit optimistic, but we have a bunch of people (not just in this thread, these things come up a lot) proudly claiming they would commit mass murder because of some really horribly thought out logic and that tends to get a free pass. The internet is weird.
I'm working this out as I'm typing it so if it sounds illogical please point out the inconsistencies. Its not that they get a free pass. Its that responding to their statements with anything other than ridicule gives it more validation than it deserves. I understand their viewpoint and where it come from. I just don't agree with the methods and the extremes they would go to.

Most nations and societies have become too tolerant and accepting of crime and corruption. Every year that passes, every generation of people born into it will only increase that tolerance until it becomes institutionalized. Some people would argue that it already has. The posters claiming they would commit mass murder most likely already have this viewpoint.

Just for different but similar viewpoint here is mine:

I look around and see a world that is slowy rotting away from its core. I believe as a whole we are working towards institutionalized crime and corruption but we are not there yet. Plenty of good people exist in the world. They just aren't doing anything about it. One of the causes of this rot is the indifference or tolerance of good people. It hasn't reached critical mass yet where there is no turning us back.

Unlike Bill Z Bubba here on the forums I haven't given up on humanity and unlike Golden Girl I don't have an adamantium set of morals to draw on. I see what is happening and wish I had the knowledge, wealth, or power to influence my generation and those younger than me. I'm beggining to understand that I need to earn those things and work harder than I've ever worked before in order to earn them.

The G. I. generation, those who came of age in the great depression and fought in WWII, built my country into what it has become. Look around you in most american cities and you will see their legacy. They were hard working people who accomplished amazing things. Did they need any of the self help, 12 step, left over hippie ********? No they were doers not talkers and in the end its the doers that change the world. (Thank you Rocco from Boondock Saints 2) So I need to become a doer and then myself and those like me need to get together and reforge others from overweight, over-educated deskbound cubicle mice into the lions that will repair the foundation that the G. I. Generation built. Then maybe the corruption and crime will go from a ragged festering wound to something smaller like a cut or a scrape. Make no mistake its not a lack of morals that allows our current condition to exist(though if we continue to let it persist it will be), its a sense of "Its not my problem" and laziness. The mistake our fathers and forefathers made was giving us an easier life not a better life. It is to easy to take for granted something that has been given to you.

It is my belief that enough good still exists in the world but those of my generation, Generation Y, and those that have come and will come after us, need to get up and do the hard thing, to get involved and change the laws so that those who do wrong are no longer tolerated. If you commit a crime regardless of your mental state, wealth, or position (IE politician) you deserve equal punishment for it. I'm not saying the punishment needs to be more extreme. I'm saying no excuses. No more sympathy for the convicted.

So given the choice of watching the entropy of the human race or standing up, improving myself, and trying to help change things for the better, I have chosen to stand. I hope I'm not the only one.

/end my viewpoint

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A couple of more sayings:

"the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" Londo Mollari of Babylon 5 pretty much embodies that saying. "
Why do people assume their are a lack of bad intentions to pave roads with?


 

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Why I'd rather live in a world with murders and thieves than one without freewill.
You don't need freewill, citizen - the Emperor will guide your life for you.


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You can be moral without being soft. To me it is the people who lack the moral fortitude to do what is right and most often needed who look the other way and allow and allow society to degenerate as it has.
Evil is the morally weak choice to make.

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But look on the bright side. We as a society will not last much longer. The signs are there. We will implode into chaos and war which will solve a lot of problems through the death of innocents that would not happen if some of us 'mini tyrants' had powers.
So elect you as Emperor, and you'll promise to make the world a better place?


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