Most would become supervillains if given superpowers, study says.


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But it is random chance introduced by the user, not by the program, so to speak. Which is what I have the problem with. Flipping a coin takes a little bit of the personal responsibility away from the hero. He or she didn't decide anything. I would say it is more morally "good" to make a decision, even if that decision itself ends up being morally "wrong" then let random chance decide for you (not generate the event, but generate your reaction, so not random chance having you be near a mugging).
I'm going try to avoid this sounding like a case of Special Pleading. There is some morality in why I chose the coin flip. In my case I know that a fast decision increases my chances of success but I also know that given a choice between two different crimes occuring equally distant from me at the the same rate at the same time I will be stuck in indecision unless I use a coin flip or something similar. Which is more morally sound: Wasting time stuck in indecision or Using a coin flip and acting quickly? My choice is clear.

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(Granted, this is not the debate I was going for with GG, which was no matter what you choose, your own personal morality, which is not universal or societal morality, will play a role and that can lead to you being painted as evil.)
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Edit: By the way have you noticed that we have managed to do very rare thing: Have a civil debate on the internet.


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Of course people would be evil - How else could heroes fill out a season of villain-of-the-week-episodes!?

Season-long story arcs might be better - it'd need fewer villains


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Edit: By the way have you noticed that we have managed to do very rare thing: Have a civil debate on the internet.
I am enjoying it!

I try not to be set in my ways and like to listen to other people's views in the hopes that I become better educated on at least what other people think.


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I'd most likely got the Hulk route, and just want to be left alone. Of course, if the puny humans keep harassing me the gloves are off


 

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an interesting point brought up in another thread we had on the topic, people tend to look at superheros as glorified pro wrestlers, i'd say that in the curent world, if soemone were suddenly given superpowers and nobody else was, fighting would likely make a very small part of what you could do. putting out wildfires, saving sick people(as pork mentioned) getting those chilean miners out, rescuing the people cut off bu the pakistani floods, that, depending on your powers, is more likely what you would be doing.

As for how super-powered people would act? my guess is that they would be similar to rock stars, selfish, but venial. without a clear ideology, i don't see people genociding for fun, far more likely they will bang some models, imbibe great quantities of drugs and maybe make some really stupid recorded phone calls on tmz, but supervillains? id say the quantities of people who would go that far wouldn't be a great deal different.

oh and i took teh survey and name dropped our site, couldnt hurt for soemone interested in superheroes and psychology to check out our nut-house


 

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lol

this is because the survey was conducted in America.

the america dream is basically compete to win in any way possible to get as much as you can, so of course everyoen is going to abuse the hell out of super powers
Because we all know that throughout history nobody in anywhere but America has had evil ambitions.


 

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Depends on my powers, but over all, yes I would lean towards self gratification. COuld I be a villain? In the strictest interpetation, yes. I do believe in using one's powers to change the world for their own benefit, as well as the worlds benefit, and no, both are not the same.
I don't see using natural advantages for self fulfilling outlets as being a villian. Otherwise every good looking person who has been paid to be a model is a villian. Every athelete who opted to use their physical abilities to make millions rather than be a soldier or cop is selfish by that defination. Basically everything you do that doesn't help someone else is being a villian if you go with that. The world takes all kinds to go around.

I see it being a villian the moment you trample other people's right with said power. Taking care of yourself though and making yourself better to a point is just being human. You're no good to anyone else if you're broken. The better you take care of yourself the better you are prepared to help others.

Just matter of looking at the big picture. Over thinking every last detail and needing the perfect answer everytime is the path to madness.(and believe me I've done tons of that.) As Patton said, "An imperfect plan now is better than a perfect plan that's too late." Help who you can, and try not to kick too many others down in the process of getting where you want to go. That's all you can do.

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Because we all know that throughout history nobody in anywhere but America has had evil ambitions.
We just like to flaunt what we got going on. Makes us easy targets. And stuff like This! (NSFW)doesn't help. I don't think we've done anything worse than anyone else in history. We just have better recorded history and more people keeping score at this point in time.



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Hehe. Interesting article.

If I ever acquired a decent level of superpowers, while materialism is always fun, and I have no problem with fascism as long as I'd be making the rules, I'd actually set out to make the world a better place. The problem would be those that disagreed with my methods.
Define......"better place".


 

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I'm thinking most people would be neither hero nor villain but would simply seek to profit from their powers without necessarily breaking the law.
You mean like Luke Cage, Iron fist and the rest of the Heroes for Hire?
(can't believe the new series of that will have Punisher on the team....)


 

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Here's a question: in Iron Man 2, Tony is being ordered to turn over the armor to the military for the "good of the people". Nice party line from the Senator, but the point is this:

Is Tony Stark being evil for withholding the armor from the govt. and military? Since he was captured and his heart damaged thus requiring constant life support he has changed his outlook on the world and the future. He wants to make a better world, and he sees the armor as a tool to that end but also believes based on past misuse of his weapons that the govt and military will misuse the armor. He also is being accused in the movie of being "selfish" for no longer making weapons for the military.

Are the reasons for keeping the iron man armor out of the military correct? Imo, yes. An army of Iron Men would easily become corrupted and could conceivably take over

Is Tony wrong to stop making weapons for the military, knowing that he was the best munitions maker the military had seen in years, thus risking American military lives due to them having sub par weapons from Justin Hammer or other companies?

Is he the one with the right to make that choice instead of say, putting it to a public vote? He built the suit so yes.


 

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With great power comes great responsibility.

I think everyone here would agree with that.

Who is that responsibility to?

Thats were we disagree.


You could say to the majority of people. Which majority? The ones you like? The ones you deem as worth saving?

In the end, you are going to find the the great responsibility that your power gave you is to yourself.

To thine own self be true.



I know what I would end up doing and it would involve a lot of death and bloodshed. We as a people and society have sunk too low for it to be any other way. Portions of mankind have become a cancer on the rest of the world and must needs be cut from the flesh to save the whole. It will not be nice. It will not be pretty, but it will have to be done. Being nice and overly civil on crime and criminals and such are part of the reason society is spiraling down the toilet. Too many people looking the other way and letting things get worse as its not their concern have led us to the point where someone will have to make it their concern and we will be reinforced by one sad fact of humanity from the dawn of time.

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Another mini-Tyrant, I see
you say that as if you think he's wrong. silly GG.

with me it would depend on what the powers were. how 'powerful' the powers are, the nature of them, so on and so forth. are we talking superman? or spidey? Iron Man, or Cyclops? it'd be cool to run around with Wolvie's healing factor, but that wouldn't particularly be a big help to me or anyone else really in regards to crime fighting or world conquering. but if i had Forge's tech powers, or Reed Richards' smarts... daaaaaaaaamn.


 

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Being nice and overly civil on crime and criminals and such are part of the reason society is spiraling down the toilet.
I always love it when people equate "morality" with being overly soft on the evils of the world. Sorta like when people equate playing violent video games to being a serial killer.


But folks do love their "dude, I'd TOTALLY kill a buncha people for their own good" rants, so don't mind me.


 

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you say that as if you think he's wrong. silly GG.
I don't think he's wrong - I know he is


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Sociologist has shown over and over again that when presented with a situation to do bad things with the belief there will be no consequences (e.g., they think no one will ever know they did it), the majority of people chose to to bad things.

Super Powers enables people to do bad things mitigating the consequences (especially if you have powers like Invisibility).

Lesson: Yes, you register super beings who have abilities to ignore consequences.


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Sociologist has shown over and over again that when presented with a situation to do bad things with the belief there will be no consequences (e.g., they think no one will ever know they did it), the majority of people chose to to bad things.

Super Powers enables people to do bad things mitigating the consequences (especially if you have powers like Invisibility).

Lesson: Yes, you register super beings who have abilities to ignore consequences.
be put in jail or whatever is not the only consequence out there.

If you had the ability to put out fires with a single thought and you didn't you'd face just as bad a consequence as having started the fire itself...even with fires you knew nothing about.


 

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The first sentence is ok - but then the rest just degenrates into a insane bloodbath.
Bloodbath, yes. Insane, no.

In my opinion, the world would be a far, far better place if the human predators were removed. I'm talking predators who kill, and r4pe, yes. but also those who manipulate governments and businesses and economic systems to enrich themselves to insane levels while harming all of the rest of society.

And really, after the first few hundred or so, the rest would get the idea. And for those that didn't, well, problem easily solved.


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It looks like several people here are lucky they probably never will gain super powers. I'd be their Lex luthor and take them down hehe.



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Bloodbath, yes. Insane, no.

In my opinion, the world would be a far, far better place if the human predators were removed. I'm talking predators who kill, and r4pe, yes. but also those who manipulate governments and businesses and economic systems to enrich themselves to insane levels while harming all of the rest of society.

And really, after the first few hundred or so, the rest would get the idea. And for those that didn't, well, problem easily solved.
The problem is that-- in the real world-- good can often come from selfish intentions.

What if one of the "evil businessmen" you kill off was bankrolling the most promising research into a cure for cancer or AIDS? Or was the doctor doing the research?

I saw a show on the development of the US Continental Railroad a few weeks back that argued it was only possible to get it done through the massive graft and corruption the backers of the program used on Congress.

The treatment of the American Indian by the US Government is a horrible thing, a terrible tragedy ... but without it, the US might not have become the nation it did ... it might not have had the resources and wealth to play the role that it did in World War I and World War II.

And who defines what's "evil"?

Should a super powered vegetarian or PETA member go flying around killing farmers and butchers, whaling ship crews?

Heck, even doing something as innocuous as stopping a forest fire can cause long term harm, as its been proven that forests actually benefit from periodic fires ....

Let's say that Alan Scott didn't retire and happen to have had an urge to see "Zorro" the same night the Waynes did ... what might have happened then?


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you say that as if you think he's wrong. silly GG.

with me it would depend on what the powers were. how 'powerful' the powers are, the nature of them, so on and so forth. are we talking superman? or spidey? Iron Man, or Cyclops? it'd be cool to run around with Wolvie's healing factor, but that wouldn't particularly be a big help to me or anyone else really in regards to crime fighting or world conquering. but if i had Forge's tech powers, or Reed Richards' smarts... daaaaaaaaamn.
A Wolverine/Highlander level healing factor would be useful in crime fighting if you plan to model yourself after the Punisher. Get some kevlar and armored helmet that conceals your face as I suspect head shots you receive would still hurt like blazes, get some guns and knives and go start busting the bad guys.

Trash a few crack houses, burn the drugs, confiscate the money keeping 50% for your operating expenses and the rest goes to a worthy charity.


 

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The problem is that-- in the real world-- good can often come from selfish intentions.
Why I'd rather live in a world with murders and thieves than one without freewill. People need bad things to happen or nothing would ever change. People without needs would lead to stagnation. I'm not saying I enjoy the horrors of the world, but I certainty see their point.

Think of all stuff that's been invented directly as a result of warfare. Every sword can be made into a plowshare and vice versa. Plus I think the entertainment industry would run out of ideas. Just look how much they've milked WWII and all crime investigation shows. So we'd have a boring world of uninteresting people too scared to do anything because some super psycho will kill them if they do something "evil." Who heck wants that?



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The only moral option with superpowers is to use them to help others


Magneto and Dr. Doom are two names that come to mind as people who absolutely believe they are protecting those under their care.


Your absolute certainty in the matter frankly would scare the crap out of me.


 

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Magneto and Dr. Doom are two names that come to mind as people who absolutely believe they are protecting those under their care.
They both harm innocent people though


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