Originally Posted by Nericus
"the road to Hell is paved with good intentions"
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Most would become supervillains if given superpowers, study says.
@Golden Girl
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Because we know that self appointed judge, jury and executioner type people are a threat, but ultimately, their vision is limited. It's a reactive type of vigilantism, going after the perpetrators of bad deeds.
People like GG with superpowers who believe they have a completely moral vision, and know that what they do is inherently right and is not subject to debate - they will simply not be satisfied with capturing/punishing/executing evildoers. Anyone who dares to question their actions or dissent from their views is clearly immoral and a potential threat/criminal. While GG will go on about Emperor Cole and Enriche and all of that nonsense, her cognitive dissonance about her own rhetoric frightens some. The Emperor is evil, so she would depose him and set up a democracy. And if she decided that the democracy was doing it wrong, she would tear down that government and set up another. While she would claim she did not want the power, she would have it de facto, because anyone who dared to think differently than she did would be wrong and, therefore, evil. Combined with her unwillingness to make a hard choice - who do you save? - and her unshakable faith in her own moral judgment, a dose of real power would set her on a slippery slope. Capturing criminals? Great. How about those who preach bigotry and hate? Yes? Then what about a 14 year old engaging in anti-gay bullying? Is that within GG's hero portfolio? How about the teacher that tolerates the bullying in the classroom? How about the parents? Does your universal morality extend only to actions, or does it extend to the root causes? Do you wait with your hero powers until it is too late and the crime has already happened, or do you act before a crime is committed, therefore arresting someone who is innocent in deed, but perhaps not in thought? Proactive heroism can be a form of tyranny. A murderous vigilante, while dangerous and a threat, has many more steps and phases to go through before they arrive at that point, and is therefore less of a threat and less scary. A vigilante defines who they are going after, and why, and can be predicted and stopped. As to me, I'll save myself for saving people from disasters - tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, train wrecks, all that sort of thing. |
@Golden Girl
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@Golden Girl
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Ok, all you people who are blathering on about how "soft" we are on crime...exactly what color is the sky in the world where you live? Because in the United States, the rate of violent crime has decreased over the last 20 years and now stands about where it was in the early 1970s, and the decline is continuing. The same holds true for non-violent crimes.
If we're soooo damned soft on crime, why does the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world? According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime.
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There are some parts of the world where drinking alcohol is a crime. I enjoy a beer or 2 every now and then. What do I do when the "superhero" from a "dry" country shows up and demands I stop drinking...or else? Hell, there are places where **** victims are stoned to death, for being "adulterers" for "letting" themselves get *****. Thank $deity that a Somalian "superhero" can now kill...er, I mean "bring justice to"...**** victims...er, I mean "adulterous criminals"...around the world.
Hooray for juvenile revenge fantasies masquerading as strong moral convictions and being "tough on crime".
Ok, all you people who are blathering on about how "soft" we are on crime...exactly what color is the sky in the world where you live? Because in the United States, the rate of violent crime has decreased over the last 20 years and now stands about where it was in the early 1970s, and the decline is continuing. The same holds true for non-violent crimes.
If we're soooo damned soft on crime, why does the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world? According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime. * * * * * There are some parts of the world where drinking alcohol is a crime. I enjoy a beer or 2 every now and then. What do I do when the "superhero" from a "dry" country shows up and demands I stop drinking...or else? Hell, there are places where **** victims are stoned to death, for being "adulterers" for "letting" themselves get *****. Thank $deity that a Somalian "superhero" can now kill...er, I mean "bring justice to"...**** victims...er, I mean "adulterous criminals"...around the world. Hooray for juvenile revenge fantasies masquerading as strong moral convictions and being "tough on crime". |
According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime. |
@Golden Girl
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Ok, all you people who are blathering on about how "soft" we are on crime...exactly what color is the sky in the world where you live? Because in the United States, the rate of violent crime has decreased over the last 20 years and now stands about where it was in the early 1970s, and the decline is continuing. The same holds true for non-violent crimes.
If we're soooo damned soft on crime, why does the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world? According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime. |
There are some parts of the world where drinking alcohol is a crime. I enjoy a beer or 2 every now and then. What do I do when the "superhero" from a "dry" country shows up and demands I stop drinking...or else?
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Hell, there are places where **** victims are stoned to death, for being "adulterers" for "letting" themselves get *****. Thank $deity that a Somalian "superhero" can now kill...er, I mean "bring justice to"...**** victims...er, I mean "adulterous criminals"...around the world.
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Hooray for juvenile revenge fantasies masquerading as strong moral convictions and being "tough on crime".
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I'd be tough on everything though, people have been caught up on crime in the thread, is all.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
If we're soooo damned soft on crime, why does the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world? According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime.
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Approximately 1/4 of the prison population is imprisoned on drug related charges. How many of those do you think are marijuana, a substance that has had a far smaller destructive influence on our society than alcohol?
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Being under the influence doesn't fly for people under the influence of alcohol so it sure as heck doesn't apply to drug users.
Drug possession is hardly a violent crime, what they use the drugs for on the other hand . . . for example if someone uses drugs to render a victim incapable of resisting sexual advances. Same goes if they commit a violent act while stoned (by that I mean murder etc).
Being under the influence doesn't fly for people under the influence of alcohol so it sure as heck doesn't apply to drug users. |
An individual with multiple DUI's will only be charged with misdemeanor offense until they cause significant injury, property damage, or death at which point it becomes a felony offense.
To me there is a dissonance there.
Uh huh.
Thanks for playing.
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Basically, she wants perfect information so that she can make a perfect moral choice in a snap judgment scenario. Life doesn't work that way for the rest of us; there's no reason it would work that way if you were a superhero.
The scenario is not poorly designed. I am reminded of an issue of the Flash in which Wally West is sued because he did not search a burning mall for the plaintiff, because he took the fire department at their word that the area had been cleared. He made a decision: "Then I won't search." His information was imperfect, and he made a snap judgment, one that ended up being wrong.
The scenario is to find out how she, or anyone else, would make that snap judgment. GG's belief in her moral infallibility leads her to basically opt out of the scenario. She'll do it right even though there is no right answer to the scenario, her posts would seem to indicate. That level of certitude would seem to fall at level 6 on the Kohlberg scale, which is coincidentally the level of development that allows for killing a few for the greater good, and can be as capable of violence as a sociopath. (Note that it is a possibility, not a probability I allude to here. I'm not making any accusations.)
Personally, I'm scared of people who are that self-certain about their 'universal morality.' And I'm really very scared of giving power to people who are that certain of their 'universal morality,' as opposed to, say, social contract morality or legal morality. Universal morality is not up for debate in the minds of its holders, and that is ultimately destructive to the sort of civil society and democracy that I strongly believe in.
Comrade Smersh, KGB Special Section 8 50 Inv/Fire, Fire/Rad, BS/WP, SD/SS, AR/EM
Other 50s: Plant/Thorn, Bots/Traps, DB/SR, MA/Regen, Rad/Dark - All on Virtue.
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