Most would become supervillains if given superpowers, study says.


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"the road to Hell is paved with good intentions"
Lies! The road to hell is paved with the blood and guts of my enemies.


 

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Says the female equivalent of Emperor Cole. Seriously tho, the more I read of GG's views the more I believe her world would be run like the game PARANOIA without the humor.
Again with the typical Sauron mentality? I would have thought that supervillains would have learnt by now that not everyone wants to rule the world, even if they ahd the pwoer to do so


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"We've already been damned and Earth is Hell." - Me
Ugly thoughts make the world seem ugly


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Because we know that self appointed judge, jury and executioner type people are a threat, but ultimately, their vision is limited. It's a reactive type of vigilantism, going after the perpetrators of bad deeds.

People like GG with superpowers who believe they have a completely moral vision, and know that what they do is inherently right and is not subject to debate - they will simply not be satisfied with capturing/punishing/executing evildoers. Anyone who dares to question their actions or dissent from their views is clearly immoral and a potential threat/criminal.

While GG will go on about Emperor Cole and Enriche and all of that nonsense, her cognitive dissonance about her own rhetoric frightens some. The Emperor is evil, so she would depose him and set up a democracy. And if she decided that the democracy was doing it wrong, she would tear down that government and set up another. While she would claim she did not want the power, she would have it de facto, because anyone who dared to think differently than she did would be wrong and, therefore, evil.

Combined with her unwillingness to make a hard choice - who do you save? - and her unshakable faith in her own moral judgment, a dose of real power would set her on a slippery slope. Capturing criminals? Great. How about those who preach bigotry and hate? Yes? Then what about a 14 year old engaging in anti-gay bullying? Is that within GG's hero portfolio? How about the teacher that tolerates the bullying in the classroom? How about the parents? Does your universal morality extend only to actions, or does it extend to the root causes? Do you wait with your hero powers until it is too late and the crime has already happened, or do you act before a crime is committed, therefore arresting someone who is innocent in deed, but perhaps not in thought? Proactive heroism can be a form of tyranny.

A murderous vigilante, while dangerous and a threat, has many more steps and phases to go through before they arrive at that point, and is therefore less of a threat and less scary. A vigilante defines who they are going after, and why, and can be predicted and stopped.

As to me, I'll save myself for saving people from disasters - tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, train wrecks, all that sort of thing.
Your sig makes the post even funnier


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I draw the line at natural disasters. People choose to live in places susceptible to natural disasters, so it's their own dang fault when they get b****-slapped by mother nature.
More typical villain mentality - a complete lack of empathy, compassion and intelligence.


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Ok, all you people who are blathering on about how "soft" we are on crime...exactly what color is the sky in the world where you live? Because in the United States, the rate of violent crime has decreased over the last 20 years and now stands about where it was in the early 1970s, and the decline is continuing. The same holds true for non-violent crimes.

If we're soooo damned soft on crime, why does the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world? According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime.

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There are some parts of the world where drinking alcohol is a crime. I enjoy a beer or 2 every now and then. What do I do when the "superhero" from a "dry" country shows up and demands I stop drinking...or else? Hell, there are places where **** victims are stoned to death, for being "adulterers" for "letting" themselves get *****. Thank $deity that a Somalian "superhero" can now kill...er, I mean "bring justice to"...**** victims...er, I mean "adulterous criminals"...around the world.

Hooray for juvenile revenge fantasies masquerading as strong moral convictions and being "tough on crime".


 

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Ok, all you people who are blathering on about how "soft" we are on crime...exactly what color is the sky in the world where you live? Because in the United States, the rate of violent crime has decreased over the last 20 years and now stands about where it was in the early 1970s, and the decline is continuing. The same holds true for non-violent crimes.

If we're soooo damned soft on crime, why does the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world? According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime.

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There are some parts of the world where drinking alcohol is a crime. I enjoy a beer or 2 every now and then. What do I do when the "superhero" from a "dry" country shows up and demands I stop drinking...or else? Hell, there are places where **** victims are stoned to death, for being "adulterers" for "letting" themselves get *****. Thank $deity that a Somalian "superhero" can now kill...er, I mean "bring justice to"...**** victims...er, I mean "adulterous criminals"...around the world.

Hooray for juvenile revenge fantasies masquerading as strong moral convictions and being "tough on crime".
And our crime rate compared to other civilized countries of the world?

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According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime.
Sounds more like we have more criminals per capita than other countries.


 

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Hooray for juvenile revenge fantasies masquerading as strong moral convictions and being "tough on crime".
Well, boys will be boys - although some of them never grow up past the boy stage and become men - which is why these revenge fantasies still exist


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And our crime rate compared to other civilized countries of the world?
That's right!

It doesn't matter if we're improving. If we're not ALREADY the best, then the system has FAILED!

DOWN WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT!!

VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!


 

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Well, boys will be boys - although some of them never grow up past the boy stage and become men - which is why these revenge fantasies still exist
Oh men can entertain revenge fantasies. Just ask any man who has ever been married!


 

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Well, boys will be boys - although some of them never grow up past the boy stage and become men - which is why these revenge fantasies still exist
Men can't even hold a candle when it comes to what women do to get revenge. We're pikers. We don't even finish in the top ten. Women hold all those spots.


 

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Ok, all you people who are blathering on about how "soft" we are on crime...exactly what color is the sky in the world where you live? Because in the United States, the rate of violent crime has decreased over the last 20 years and now stands about where it was in the early 1970s, and the decline is continuing. The same holds true for non-violent crimes.

If we're soooo damned soft on crime, why does the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world? According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime.
Never said the US is "soft" on crime. But I don't think our current justice system works either.

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There are some parts of the world where drinking alcohol is a crime. I enjoy a beer or 2 every now and then. What do I do when the "superhero" from a "dry" country shows up and demands I stop drinking...or else?
Call on a local superhuman to defend you. Then the two supertypes will more than likely get so caught up fighting each other that they'll forget you're even there.

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Hell, there are places where **** victims are stoned to death, for being "adulterers" for "letting" themselves get *****. Thank $deity that a Somalian "superhero" can now kill...er, I mean "bring justice to"...**** victims...er, I mean "adulterous criminals"...around the world.
Going back to what I said before, I'd think that'll lead to superhumans battling each other more than trying to enforce their own codes on the populace.

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Hooray for juvenile revenge fantasies masquerading as strong moral convictions and being "tough on crime".
It's more a power pipedream than a revenge fantasy.

I'd be tough on everything though, people have been caught up on crime in the thread, is all.


Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.

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If we're soooo damned soft on crime, why does the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world? According to the linked article, the US has only 5% of the world's population, but almost 25% of the world's prisoners. Yeah, that's REAL soft on crime.
It shows just how great our criminals get treated. It's a gorram 5 star vacation compared to the rest of the world.


 

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Well, boys will be boys - although some of them never grow up past the boy stage and become men - which is why these revenge fantasies still exist
Don't gloat there GG...your stance of "I'll always be right because I'll always be right" and that there's some "universal morality" are just as much fantasies.


 

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Combined with her unwillingness to play into a poor scenario designed to make her look bad no matter what she says...
Fixed that for ya.


 

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Sorry GG err Durakken, you'll have to be more specific than that.
Approximately 1/4 of the prison population is imprisoned on drug related charges. How many of those do you think are marijuana, a substance that has had a far smaller destructive influence on our society than alcohol?


 

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Approximately 1/4 of the prison population is imprisoned on drug related charges. How many of those do you think are marijuana, a substance that has had a far smaller destructive influence on our society than alcohol?
All drugs should be legal or illegal... not some one way and some the other.


 

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All drugs should be legal or illegal... not some one way and some the other.
So reinstate prohibition? Outlaw tobacco? Prohibit caffeinated beverages? After all coffee is "the most widely used psychotropic beverage in the world".


 

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Approximately 1/4 of the prison population is imprisoned on drug related charges. How many of those do you think are marijuana, a substance that has had a far smaller destructive influence on our society than alcohol?
Drug possession is hardly a violent crime, what they use the drugs for on the other hand . . . for example if someone uses drugs to render a victim incapable of resisting sexual advances. Same goes if they commit a violent act while stoned (by that I mean murder etc).

Being under the influence doesn't fly for people under the influence of alcohol so it sure as heck doesn't apply to drug users.


 

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All drugs should be legal or illegal... not some one way and some the other.
Sorry don't agree with this. It's not all or none. Some are a lot more dangerous than others.


 

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Sorry don't agree with this. It's not all or none. Some are a lot more dangerous than others.
You may not agree but that doesn't mean you are right ^.^


 

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Drug possession is hardly a violent crime, what they use the drugs for on the other hand . . . for example if someone uses drugs to render a victim incapable of resisting sexual advances. Same goes if they commit a violent act while stoned (by that I mean murder etc).

Being under the influence doesn't fly for people under the influence of alcohol so it sure as heck doesn't apply to drug users.
The point I danced around was the oft debated "three strikes" rule. A third felony charge means extended prison time. A drug possessed in quantities above a certain threshold becomes a felony. An individual selling illicit substances can be incarcerated for extended periods without committing a violent crime. To the point: there are individuals serving long term prison sentences that have not committed violent crimes.

An individual with multiple DUI's will only be charged with misdemeanor offense until they cause significant injury, property damage, or death at which point it becomes a felony offense.

To me there is a dissonance there.


 

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Your sig makes the post even funnier
Because playing a Soviet superhero in an online game makes me a real life communist.

Uh huh.

Thanks for playing.


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Fixed that for ya.
No.

Basically, she wants perfect information so that she can make a perfect moral choice in a snap judgment scenario. Life doesn't work that way for the rest of us; there's no reason it would work that way if you were a superhero.

The scenario is not poorly designed. I am reminded of an issue of the Flash in which Wally West is sued because he did not search a burning mall for the plaintiff, because he took the fire department at their word that the area had been cleared. He made a decision: "Then I won't search." His information was imperfect, and he made a snap judgment, one that ended up being wrong.

The scenario is to find out how she, or anyone else, would make that snap judgment. GG's belief in her moral infallibility leads her to basically opt out of the scenario. She'll do it right even though there is no right answer to the scenario, her posts would seem to indicate. That level of certitude would seem to fall at level 6 on the Kohlberg scale, which is coincidentally the level of development that allows for killing a few for the greater good, and can be as capable of violence as a sociopath. (Note that it is a possibility, not a probability I allude to here. I'm not making any accusations.)

Personally, I'm scared of people who are that self-certain about their 'universal morality.' And I'm really very scared of giving power to people who are that certain of their 'universal morality,' as opposed to, say, social contract morality or legal morality. Universal morality is not up for debate in the minds of its holders, and that is ultimately destructive to the sort of civil society and democracy that I strongly believe in.


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You may not agree but that doesn't mean you are right ^.^
Nor does it mean you're right.