Final Star Trek: TNG Movie Was Pulled Due To Franchise Fatigue


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Yeah... I really ould have liked a better send-off for the TNG crew. I didn't care for Nemesis at all. It seemed to me in a number of ways to be a weak clone of TWoK... I think it really was time to lay the series to rest for a while, but I hate that they couldn't have gone out on a higher note.


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Star Trek shouldn't have dune buggies as standard equipment. 2nd they dipped into yet another Data prototype too many times already.


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Star Trek shouldn't have dune buggies as standard equipment. 2nd they dipped into yet another Data prototype too many times already.
I didn't get the impression the dune buggy was "standard equipment" - it seemed like a custom job, possibly made at the captain's request, given how he treated it.

I kinda agree on the Data prototype thing. I would have liked it better if the "prototype" had been entirely a Reman fake, designed purely to lure the Enterprise in.



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Overall I enjoyed Nemesis. Father Xmas hit the problems I had with it: I didn't like the dune buggy, I didn't like the prototype. Additionally I thought it would have been better had Data had his on again, off again emotional chip turned on when he decided to sacrifice himself for Picard. It would have been an apology for the awful scene where he was afraid to die in Generations (First Contact already had such an apology when the Borg reactivated it against his will, but there's nothing wrong with another.)

I thought it was a better than Insurrection at any rate, which really did play out like a two part episode rather than a movie in my opinion.


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It would have been an apology for the awful scene where he was afraid to die in Generations
What was wrong with that? It made sense. Dude couldn't control his emotions.


 

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Yep, everyone knew it i think. The TNG crew should of called it a day after the excellent 'First Contact'.

On the plus side it was exactly what was needed for the revitalisation of the Trek franchise. What a great great movie it is!, what a steller cast they've managed!.
Star Trek XI is my favourite Blu-Ray title at the moment and one hell of a re-imaginning.
JJ.Abrams did an amazing job in my opinion and everything from set design to the great Ben Burtt's input on audio, to Mr Nimoy's participation and blessing has ensured the best possible future for Star Trek.

I just hope we get at least a trilogy from this great cast and personally I would love to see this cast carry a high quality TV series along the lines of the original series. They seem genuinely jazzed about carrying the torch forward, heres hoping!.


 

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I thought it was a better than Insurrection at any rate, which really did play out like a two part episode rather than a movie in my opinion.
Now I enjoyed Insurrection mainly because it felt like a big-screen TNG ep. Outside of the Manual Joystick execution of the Ryker Maneuver, Insurrection was a solid film. I would of been happy if the TNG Films ended there.

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I've enjoyed all of the TNG films... so... yeah.


 

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I've enjoyed all of the TNG films... so... yeah.
I did as well. Insurrection was meh, but Picard, Riker, Data...I don't mind them on the big screen. I thought Nemesis was okay, but with the tagline on the poster, plus Data's "death," I knew it was going to be the final TNG one.

It makes sense. With TNG on the big screen, and DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise on TV during the decade, plus TNG:TV, it was time to scale down.


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I agree that there was franchise fatigue going on with the Trek series. I think they should've stopped with Voyager (Enterprise was a mistake on a lot of levels), and then started stretching out the time between the TNG movies. It's disappointing that the TNG crew isn't going to get the send off it deserves, and even more disappointing that Patrick Stewart doesn't want to come back for another movie.

I would like to have seen the series produce one or two DS9 movies, too. Something to wrap up the fate of the crew, or deal with the Cardassians and their post-war reconstruction. Maybe have Sisko come back from the wormhole.


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But I want to see a DS9 movie!

And I liked Nemesis, as it felt like they were adding small space crafts for ship to ship fighting!


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I never saw Nemisis all the way though. I just can never sit through it. It doesn't interest me. Perhaps I am the audiance that thay say became fatigued. Actually I think it was the writers who became fatigued.


 

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I never saw Nemisis all the way though. I just can never sit through it. It doesn't interest me. Perhaps I am the audiance that thay say became fatigued. Actually I think it was the writers who became fatigued.
I blame Berman and Braga. The franchise was left in their hands way too long and they started doing some crazy **** with it.


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Franchise fatigue is what happens when you have a mediocre creative team churning out mediocre movies whose main draw is the franchise name. If you turn out a quality product you get movie series that last as long as James Bond.


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See the way they killed off data, but had his prototype inherit his memories and such, i was really thinking that was going to be a device to kinda ungod the character a bit. Data kinda hit that Wesley Crusher level of making every other character insignificant in the cast. So at the time i honestly felt it was done to dumb down the character a bit and take him more back to where he was at the begining of the show.


 

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Star Trek shouldn't have dune buggies as standard equipment. 2nd they dipped into yet another Data prototype too many times already.
Wasn't there an episode, I think the one where they were working with some lady who was Dr Soong's wife or something and it turned out she was an Android similar to Data. When Data discussed the situation with the Dr. Soong message chip on the holodeck, wasn't it stated that there were other prototypes of Data?

There's Lore, Data, the woman android (name escapes me at present) and now B4.....so isn't there yet one more out there to be discovered?


 

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See the way they killed off data, but had his prototype inherit his memories and such, i was really thinking that was going to be a device to kinda ungod the character a bit. Data kinda hit that Wesley Crusher level of making every other character insignificant in the cast. So at the time i honestly felt it was done to dumb down the character a bit and take him more back to where he was at the begining of the show.
Heh. TNG suffered at times from either Wesley saving the day or Data saving the day.

As to Data dumping his memories, etc. into B4, I was thinking it was more a recreation of that moment in Wrath of Khan when Spock nerve pinches McCoy and then does the mind-meld...."remember".......

It was just a plot device to restore Data at least partially if not completely in a later series or movie, presuming the franchise would have continued and they could afford Spiner's salary.

Of course now that we are in Star Trek Universe "B" for lack of a better name after the Trek XI reboot, it's all moot. Strictly speaking the only series timeline that now exists is Enterprise and the future will be different.


 

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I blame Berman and Braga. The franchise was left in their hands way too long and they started doing some crazy **** with it.
THIS. Oh, so THIS! '

Those two clowns ran the franchise into the ground! I think to this day they said that perhaps their biggest error was in how they killed Kirk, or that they killed him at all.

Easily fixed though via the Guardian of the Forever (Sock observes the fight on Veridian 3 and determines the logical moment to intervene to stop Soran and save his friend), but too much time has passed now. Shatner's a bit too old and large to stuff himself back into uniform plus the franchise has been restarted.


 

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I'm pretty forgiving of all things Trek, but I suffer some odd hang ups.

One of the best TNG episdoes Tapestry had Picard die and Q let Picard go back in time to his early 20s and avoid a mistake that leads to his death in the present.

20 year old Picard in that ep had hair, 20 year old Picard in Nemisis is bald. I couldn't get over it.


 

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I remember rumors coming out before Nemesis was released that Paramount was trying to pretty much kill the Trek franchise at the time. There'd been a management shift and the new folks in charge didn't like Trek, so im not surprised Nemesis ended up being the last one. It wasn't the weakest of the 4 TNG movies (Insurrection. it's not bad, but that doesn't mean it was all that good), but it just felt too much like Trek2, especially towards the end. The fight scenes between the ships at the end did look damn cool, but it was still weak.

Im not a big fan of the Abrahms' reboot, and im hoping the 2nd one is much better. The bright side is that the reboot is still better than the first and fifth Trek flicks, mostly.


 

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There's Lore, Data, the woman android (name escapes me at present) and now B4.....so isn't there yet one more out there to be discovered?
You are thinking of either his "mother" which was created by Soong or Lal, Data's daughter who was created by Data on the Enterprise and died shortly afterwards of cascade failure in her neural net. (Was actually quite a touching episode)

But yeah, can totally see there being other prototypes out there, just was a bit of a sucky way for B4 to be found.


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I'm pretty forgiving of all things Trek, but I suffer some odd hang ups.

One of the best TNG episdoes Tapestry had Picard die and Q let Picard go back in time to his early 20s and avoid a mistake that leads to his death in the present.

20 year old Picard in that ep had hair, 20 year old Picard in Nemisis is bald. I couldn't get over it.
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You are thinking of either his "mother" which was created by Soong or Lal, Data's daughter who was created by Data on the Enterprise and died shortly afterwards of cascade failure in her neural net. (Was actually quite a touching episode)

But yeah, can totally see there being other prototypes out there, just was a bit of a sucky way for B4 to be found.
Was there a single instance of a Soong-type android experiencing strong emotion that had a positive final result?



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Was there a single instance of a Soong-type android experiencing strong emotion that had a positive final result?



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Well, Data. He had some teething troubles but got there in the end.