Final Star Trek: TNG Movie Was Pulled Due To Franchise Fatigue
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Posted on: 2010-10-09 22:32 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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When Data shed tears of joy when he found that his cat miraculously survived the crash of the saucer section. He thought the chip was malfunctioning and Troi assured him it was working fine.|
Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
Was there a single instance of a Soong-type android experiencing strong emotion that had a positive final result?
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To be honest, sticking that chip in Data was perhaps the single best evolutionary thing they did for him.
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No, definitely not Lal. It had to be his mother, created by Soong.
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Originally Posted by Coin
You are thinking of either his "mother" which was created by Soong or Lal, Data's daughter who was created by Data on the Enterprise and died shortly afterwards of cascade failure in her neural net. (Was actually quite a touching episode)
But yeah, can totally see there being other prototypes out there, just was a bit of a sucky way for B4 to be found. |
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Star Trek the Motion Picture = FX extravaganza that reunites the crew with a upgraded ship and somewhere they threw in a revised Nomad probe story. |
Originally Posted by Veritech
I remember rumors coming out before Nemesis was released that Paramount was trying to pretty much kill the Trek franchise at the time. There'd been a management shift and the new folks in charge didn't like Trek, so im not surprised Nemesis ended up being the last one. It wasn't the weakest of the 4 TNG movies (Insurrection. it's not bad, but that doesn't mean it was all that good), but it just felt too much like Trek2, especially towards the end. The fight scenes between the ships at the end did look damn cool, but it was still weak.
Im not a big fan of the Abrahms' reboot, and im hoping the 2nd one is much better. The bright side is that the reboot is still better than the first and fifth Trek flicks, mostly. |
Star Trek 2 = best loose end from the original series that they could have used to create a movie. Doomsday Machine would have been cool too.
Star Trek 3 = nice movie but suffers the onus of being the one right after Khan. Any Trek movie would have such negativity.
Star Trek 4 = nice break from the death and life of Trek 2 and 3, plus Kirk needed something to clear his name of the charges. Although charging him with destruction of the Enterprise to me was an error since it was disabled and being boarded by hostile forces. Kirk was still well within the regulations to order the destruct sequence.
Star Trek 5 = nice try. Studio rushing movie to completion combined with Shatner..... still better then the hippies episode
Star Trek 6 = nice send off.
Star Trek Generations: decent start for the new crew into the movies. Lousy way to kill Kirk.
Star Trek First Contact: easily the best of the TNG movies with Khan as the best of the classic crew movies.
Star Trek Insurrection: if only I could stay awake through that movie....
Star Trek Nemesis: ugh. Felt about as bad as Trek 5.
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Juliana Tainer, who was played by Finnula Flanagan |
Originally Posted by Nericus
No, definitely not Lal. It had to be his mother, created by Soong.
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She also played Eliose Hawkings on Lost, mother of Daniel Faraday. That didn't end so well for either one.
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I want DS9 as well.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
But I want to see a DS9 movie!
And I liked Nemesis, as it felt like they were adding small space crafts for ship to ship fighting! |
@Joshua.
Since they seem to be quoting Patrick Stewart... I have to guess that he was misinformed or got the wrong impression and the writer of the article put things together wrong...
There was NEVER as far as recorded a plan for another TNG movie. Spiner wanted to kill the character because the character had run it's course. Frakes didn't want to act anymore and generally doesn't and wanted to move on completely more or less into directing. These two along with the writer planned from the beginning to make Nemesis the last movie.
The reason DS9 and Voyager didn't get a movie, and the reason they killed off Enterprise (seriously, they purposely murdered that show in any way they could) is because the producers and studio felt that the franchise had fatigued...but only for a year or two >.> Smells like a ******** explanation to me.
I can understand why they killed off Data and put his memories in a new body. Data is supposed to be immortal or at least not age and it has been about 20 years since TNG aired. Using a different actor to play Data would have been the best possible solution.
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Having a reasonable "TV trick" to explain why a different actor would play the same character has worked for Doctor Who for decades. Even Star Trek's Trill had a built-in way to deal with that if necessary.|
Originally Posted by starphoenix
I can understand why they killed off Data and put his memories in a new body. Data is supposed to be immortal or at least not age and it has been about 20 years since TNG aired. Using a different actor to play Data would have been the best possible solution.
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As far as an immortal android goes it seems reasonable that every so often they would want to try out a different "appearance" with a new body. To them having an entirely new body might be as trivial as a human today deciding to get a tattoo or new hair style.
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I seem to remember an episode that may have been set somewhat in the future, where someone commented on Data looking older and he said he was changing his appearance to match his human colleagues.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Having a reasonable "TV trick" to explain why a different actor would play the same character has worked for Doctor Who for decades. Even Star Trek's Trill had a built-in way to deal with that if necessary.
As far as an immortal android goes it seems reasonable that every so often they would want to try out a different "appearance" with a new body. To them having an entirely new body might be as trivial as a human today deciding to get a tattoo or new hair style. |
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I always figured that Brent Spiner was really really tired of having that heavy makeup caked onto his skin.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
I can understand why they killed off Data and put his memories in a new body. Data is supposed to be immortal or at least not age and it has been about 20 years since TNG aired. Using a different actor to play Data would have been the best possible solution.
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Goodbye, I guess.
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Yeah that was Data's "choice". But nothing would have really stopped him (as an immortal android) from switching bodies after his current batch of human buddies passed away. |
Originally Posted by Arnabas
I seem to remember an episode that may have been set somewhat in the future, where someone commented on Data looking older and he said he was changing his appearance to match his human colleagues.
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I HATED Nemesis. My reasons at the time were many, but the scene that stands out in my mind is the one where Riker and Worf come across the big bad alien anglerfish-looking enforcer guy, proven badass and whatnot. Klingon warrior versus alien badass, right? Surely the aging paunchy officer wouldn't be the one to throw down in melee combat with this mo-fo, right?
Right?
No, Riker's all like "Hold my stuff" and Worf is like "k".
Terrible movie.
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I didn't really mind how Kirk died, though I'm sure everyone wanted him to go down in a bigger blaze of glory somehow (though saving a planet with millions of people on it is a big fact that some forget). However, mortality is the big theme of that movie, and Kirk dying in a way that passes on the torch, but also in the way that he could have died any number of times in past missions... kind of speaks to that theme a lot more. You can die just like that, or somehow manage to pull on through for another day or so.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Star Trek Generations: decent start for the new crew into the movies. Lousy way to kill Kirk.
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Between the cinematography, gorgeous golden light for much of the film, and interesting themes, it's actually a movie I like quite a bit out of the entire series of movies. Wrath of Khan beats it out for action + themes, of course. First Contact is pretty good as well, or course, but Generations sticks with me somehow.
Kind of wish TNG had a better sendoff, and DS9 certainly deserved a movie, but I can kind of understand how those movies petered out.
The JJ Abrams movie looked good, had nice action, etc., but it was wanting in some areas. The villain was nonexistant other than to randomly kill a few people and blow things up, and some important things were rushed. Hopefully they can trim out the weaker bits and keep the good stuff with the next one.
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Im pretty sure that was in the final episode of the series. Data had added grey streaks to his hair and i think Geordy commented on it. Data responded something of the matter of it was to make people he had known for years more comfortable with him when he had the appearance of aging along with them.
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Originally Posted by Arnabas
I seem to remember an episode that may have been set somewhat in the future, where someone commented on Data looking older and he said he was changing his appearance to match his human colleagues.
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That's a mistake QuiJon... Data according to various sources has an "aging chip" that makes his appearance age at a normal human progression... it can however supposedly be turned off and such.
ST:Nemesis' pathetic $40mill box office was the final chapter for TNG, a fifth film would only have prolonged the misery.
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Disagree Nemesis and Insurrection sucked. Berman and Braga were failing on the TV series and the movies. |
Originally Posted by Hero_of_Steel
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But hey it was fatigue and not bad work.
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As much as it pains me to say it, Berman and Braga did, at one point, do good work for Star Trek. But the franchise was left in their hands waaay to long and they started making progressively stupid decisions.
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Originally Posted by UltraTroll
Disagree Nemesis and Insurrection sucked. Berman and Braga were failing on the TV series and the movies.
But hey it was fatigue and not bad work. |
Goodbye, I guess.
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Well, he did okay with mild to moderate emotions.
But every time he got into "strong emotion" territory bad things happened.
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