Why do SoA refuse to get tactical training : Tactics and Tactical Training Maneuvers?

Sometimes it's fun to try something different, even if it's not the best choice... there are always other characters. Personally I'd find non-stop uber to be boring. It's way better to have to work for awesome.

If I was on a team and saw someone kick someone because they made a power choice they disagreed with, I'd probably leave the team... not the kind of team leader I'd like to play with. The only good reasons I find for kicking people is because they're jerks or terrible players.

to the OP:
I've heard people give the excuse that they didn't have the end to run the toggles, I've heard people tell me that they didn't think the toggles made that much difference, and I've heard them claim that they usually soloed, so they didn't need to run the toggles. In any case, I've always taken the time to stop everything and try to get them to understand just what they are passing up. There doesn't seem to be a uniform response from the ones who I've spoken to, but it boils down to ignorance in the end. Failure to run TT:M is just inexcusable, and I cannot stand to be on a team with someone that out of touch.

Just so you know I never kicked anyone for not having any of those powers or having really silly builds. o.o

The only time Ive ever kicked people are
a) they went afk in a mish and we couldnt set a new mish. HEre I send them a tell telling them ill reinvite them when I can.
b) *special case*
There was a defebder in our team who was emp/dark. This defender had all the empath powers he/she could get, dark blast, dark pit, and tenebrous tentacles. I didnt mind o.O Then this other /rad corruptor started being meanand calling the empath a noob o.o It got so bad that the empath quit team o.O I was afk ish at that time but when I got back I kicked the corruptor for being mean and an elitist (I mean srsly....the empath had the stun o.O and tentacles!)then I invited the empath back.

I then got called a noob for picking the healer over the debuffer then I put 1 star on him so i can see and kick him again if he joins my team~

But yes...I only kick people on the team for being mean. Idm if they asked for explanations or try to guide buut as long as its not in a mean spirited way

TT:M is the only power I take, and will ever take on my PvE built characters.

I have my share of Mo badges, and when I did have TT:A and TT:L, they didn't make enough of a difference with a Mo quality team to keep them.

I generally assume or hope that most teams I'm with have enough damage and accuracy without my team buffs, in order to be capable of anything. If they don't, then they're probably home-grown AE farmed n00bs A.K.A. PL'd toons. In that case, they aren't worth teaming with, unless I'm farming AE on my Widow.

Odd, I have a a SOA with man, tactics and TT and at defense cap. I have it listed in my LFT comments and still just do not get that many team requests. I used to hear about people complaining about SOA not having these powers. I figured it would give me a team pick up advantage.

I think SOA were big in the beginning, but with all the changes the game has made, their necessity has dropped down.

I think this is a Virtue thing.

I see Soldiers without TT:Maneuvers. I see Kinetics toons who skip speed boost. I see Force Fielders who skip Deflection and Insulation shields.

I don't kick them, but I do try to subtly make them aware that people notice when you skip powers that are individually more powerful than everything else you bring to the team.

Well what's nice about being a well-built SoA is that you can pick up a LOT of slack for themed characters who choose to be silly in their power choices and end up not contributing as much to the team. Whenever I see something like this, I don't kick or make a fuss, but I do make a mental note and move on. If a recruitment situation comes up in the future where I have to choose between said individual and someone else, I will more than likely pick someone else.

A minor point, but I think *most* of the dismay at missing TT:M is with Crab/Bane/Wolf rather than with Widows. i.e. there's not the alternative option of Mind Link and their TT:M is a base 10% unenhanced (for reference, a Super Reflexes toggle is 13.88% unenhanced). That's not to say that Widow TT:M isn't very nice, just that it's the Soldier one that's truly exceptional.

At least in the case of the Soldier version, at the level it's available there's just very little that provides as much of a boost - solo or teamed - as TT:M (which may or may not be a balance issue). Hell, at *any* level there's not much that competes with its effectiveness - certainly not so many equivalent alternatives that you need to sacrifice theme or utility to fit it in.



Also, while it is possible to find yourself on teams with so much existing +def that your TT:M isn't doing much (though the volume of -def out there means there's a fair chance it's doing *something*), unless you always know who you'll be teamed with it's generally a safer bet that +def will be helpful vs the other buffs (team or personal) open to an SoA. Struggling with survivability tends to hurt pickup teams more than struggling with dps (though obviously neither is ideal), and at least in my experience it's more common for a pickup team to be lacking in the former than the latter. And it's not like you can't overkill in every other aspect of a team too, anyway.