How about killing of Statesman...and other possible avenues as such.

He's in the Hero Mender Silos TF, yes. Appropriately enough, he's held hostage by Lord Recluse.

Another Silos TF-related fun fact: Citadel is the only hostage you rescue who's an EB. The rest, including Statesman, are either pet or boss rank, I cannot quite remember.

Hmm...
Nope, no malice here.

No. You don't get it do you.

Several players have pointed out exactly how pointless it is to kill off Statesman as a character. I stated very clearly in an earlier post that the impression I got is that you have an axe to grind against Jack Emmert.

Fine, you don't like the guy. You don't like his character.

That's entirely your choice. You can't, however, use that entirely as justification to remove his signature character from the game, which is what you are doing throughout this thread.

No. We are reading malice into your desires based on your posts. You come across as a very unpleasant individual, and you so far have rejected any semblance of sanity or common sense in this thread.

The world is not broken. Ergo, it does not need to be fixed. You have not established a valid point of view that the in-game world is broken under any factual conditions.


Uh huh. See, you might not know this, but we can click on your name and get a list of all the posts that you have made, and your posts do not back this statement up.


So, you went and tried a worse game. Okay? What does this have to do with anything?

Hang on... isn't that... you know... EVERYTHING FROM THE GAMER?

Yes, yes it is. You didn't like Champions Online. We get that. Citing Champions Online and likes or dislikes when discussing City of Heroes is a mugs game.

Again, what does this have to do with anything in this thread in respect to arguing whether or not Statesman should be in the game? You've just gone off on this random tangent pulling a singular topic out of relatively no-where. So you don't like Champions Online as a game, but you like something they did in the game? This is just being incoherent.


What being said? You haven't established any sort of argument, debate, or point?

What last paragraph should not have been stated? All of your posts? A random segue into something else to try and divert attention from a bad idea?

Again, this is just being incoherent.

No. We are finding malice in your posts.

Yet you open up the thread with How about killing off Statesman, only to do an about face when you realize that you have pretty much burnt the bridges that would even enable such a discussion?

How? How is this a great plot device? Killing off a major brand-name character that is used to promote the game as a cover symbol in all markets? You have not established any practical or coherent reason detailing why this is a good idea. Other players have already come in and spelled out why it is a bad idea.

Somebody already pointed out why DC Comics got away with it in the Death of SuperMan comic-books. The Superman comic had decades of comics releases, not to mention a franchise total of 5 films, before the 1992 event.

So... let me get this straight. The community responds with coherent and thought out arguments detailing why such a move is a bad idea from a plot point of view. The community responds with coherent and thought out arguments detailing how, and why, such a move would only be seen as an insult to Paragon Studios former owners.

Yet you state the community is limited in it's vision.

No. Get this straight. It is you who is limited.

Make an effort to read the posts by the players.

Get this straight. You are the one who is lacking in perception here.

You have been proven wrong on this multiple times by multiple posters actually citing in-game events, and yet you still cling to this weak statement? You are going to have to come to terms with the fact that you are wrong.

Statesman is not overused in the game. Statesman is deliberately played down and pushed into the lore of the game for the sole reason that even the original writers realized he was a horribly unbalanced Mary Sue.

Ah. So here's how it works. You get proven wrong on a salient point, and then immediately try to change the point itself after arguing that no, you weren't actually wrong on the point.

There's a saying you should look up. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Pick an argument and stick with it. Either Statesman is overused or he is not.

Which group? The Freedom Phalanx? Last I checked Statesman actually needed them to cover his own weaknesses, and in the comics, Statesman already died without their assistance. So, this statement does not hold up in aspect to them.

To the players? Statesman barely interacts with the players, and in one specific case, actually has to call on the players because he's been countered by, of all people, Dr. Aeon.


Okay. At this point, I realized I have better things to do. The arguments are incoherent, details change at the drop of a hat, and you do everything you possibly can to not be pinned down or held to one particular point of view.

Yes, I could keep going through point by point ripping you a new one, pinning you on each and every line you type, and hoping that at some point you realize that nobody here on these forums is ever going to take you seriously now.

But what's the point? Am I that deeply invested in protecting Statesman? Am I that deeply invested in protecting one of NCSoft's brand?

Oh hell no. I'm not. I'm not being paid to sit here and pick apart brain-dead ideas from players that have absolutely failed to grasp the scope of the game's plot, or even the basic design mechanics of the game.

Like all of your other demand posts, you deliberately post in the wrong forums, and you deliberately post ideas you know are going to get shot down. Then you deliberately ignore any, and all, posts that would dare to counter anything you typed.

So I stand by my assessment. You are one throughly unpleasant individual.

Statesman isn't very active or even close to the 'singular focus' of Paragon; if you want to see what the world is like when he is go to Praetoria.

Also, no more semi-colons for you, mister.

fun fact for silos sf: all of the heros are AVs except for infernal and malaise as they are only boss rank signatures

GW is also only a boss class signature and scorp is only a pet class signature (both of them are allies and usually die within a few fights because they are insanely weak vs the mass amounts of AVs you fight)

The player.

I would somewhat approve of killing off Statesman, not because of the ex dev, but because he's not a particularly interesting advertising mascot and he's a bad concept.

However, the incarnate who seriously needs to be killed off is Recluse. He actually does make a nuisance of himself in many arcs, unlike States. Make Ghost Widow the leader of Arachnos instead and remove any assumptions of loyalty to them. They make an appropriate antagonist group, not protagonist. This, of course, is not going to be done since it would be of little benefit compared to resources involved. However if that were not the case I'm fairly confident it would improve the openness of the game considerably.

Well, you could always go back an edit them.

Feel free to go back and edit them.

What last paragraph? You opened with a single sentence.

Again, you can continue to deny it. Great, fine and wonderful! Unfortunately, were Paragon to follow up with your suggestions, they'd be seen as espousing the sort of malice we're talking about.

For a very long-running comic book where the main doesn't die every few years (or has never died)? Sure. Especially if you have bi-weekly or monthly circulation across multiple titles.

However much this GAME espouses comic book convention, it's NOT a comic book. It's a GAME. Updates come fewer and further between. And there's only one title. City of Heroes. It would be nearly impossible to explore the situation in the same way comic books are able to, simply due to the differences in sheer volume of content and delivery medium.

Sorry, but your view of the community is skewed by your own biases. The problem is, you're so biased, you wouldn't recognize moderation if someone shot you with it and caused you to land in another pile of it.

The one with the "limited" vision here is you, sir. The whole "let's kill him" thing has been done several times in the last decade in mediums better suited to it than CoH is. Yet you wanna rehash this same concept, AGAIN. In whether the medium of CoH is suitable for it or not.

Tell me again, who has the blinders on here? We're not the ones proposing Paragon rip off Superman/Batman/Captain America here.

That's a personal value judgement. Not a fact. Please supply facts.

So IS Statesman overused or isn't he?

Oh wait, talking out of both sides of your mouth... Ah you crafty devil!

Well, YEAH? States and most of the FP are some of the most powerful superhumans on the planet. While we aren't QUITE at their level, we're fairly butt-kicking on our own. Since the game doesn't have the ability to present a venue of cosmic-level power ("If I burp too hard, this planet will be blasted to space dust", "I went skinny-dipping in that black hole last weekend and BOY are my arms tired!", "Yeah, the universe ended and I restored it from a backup tape THE SIZE OF JUPITER!"), and being able to simply shrug off EVERYTHING would make the game...COMPLETELY BORING...they have to have some rationale for why we're super, but not TOO super (in the name of game balance). But they still need to give us iconic heroes and villains to give us something to aspire to and something to fight.

Have you NEVER played the Maria Jenkins arc? EVER?

Never mind that the thread title is "How about killing "of" Statesman.."

Here's a clue, and I won't even charge you a merit for it. DISAGREEING WITH YOU IS NOT JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS, NOR IT IS MORONIC.

But then, you didn't want a discussion of this. Not really. Otherwise you wouldn't have stooped to name-calling and trollery.

Yep. We're all frigging idiots. Because we let you bait us under your bridge.

Yeah. Let us know when that's going to happen.
No.
Seriously.
We're QUITE patient!
But you'll have to forgive us if we don't wait around for you to do so, let alone hold our breath.

*File with "tabletop fusion" and "moon landing hoax".*

So because he's the iconic character of the game he's overused.

Is Superman overused because he's on the cover of a Superman comic?

Hello? *KLONK*KLONK*KLONK* McFLY!

Wow! You recognized the fact all by yourself! How OBSERVANT of you!

Again, the game is the wrong medium for something like this, because the dev staff cannot maintain the pace for the type of event you're talking about.

Well, when you have some self-riteous container for feminine hygiene products adamantly certain that B comes BEFORE A...

Sorry, but your responses here indicate quite clearly your statement is a lie. A BIG one.

Maybe if you'd actually listen or, heaven forefend, attempt to understand what was being told to you, they'd stop.

Yes, it WOULD matter. Look at the hate-on people have for Marvel (Retcons and Lousy Plot Twists R Us) in the last couple years. People simply will NOT abide by sloppy, slapdash, haphazard storytelling that isn't at least MARGINALLY sensible and internally consistent.

As you've never done any actual statistical work with either community, I'll ignore this unsupported opinion as the bovine fecal matter it is.

Are you talking about THEM? Or YOU?

I choose what's behind DOOR NUMBER TWO!

You're not sorry. This is simply you way of trying to take the mickey out of your own childish insult before getting slapped for it.

Nah, your post was already chock-full of them.

Again, I take comfort in the fact that you haven't the foggiest notion what you're talking about.

Part of what I do for a living involves content generation for a pen and paper game system (several of them in fact). My actual, real-world experience with storylines and content generation holds a lot more weight than your unsupported (and unsupportable) personal opinion.

Wow! Complete off-topic segue! Please get back on-subject. We need more material to laugh at!

Wow, some people brought up very obvious cosiderations. Ones that'd be seized upon by others reporting on the incident almost immediately. Yes, horrific response!

Sure didn't stay that way long though.

So because someone brought up an obvious consideration, you crawled out from under your bridge. Bravo!

Okay! Now I know where this is! A funhouse!

Maybe once you take your own advice.

Sorry, but you aren't the absolute arbiter of right and wrong in this situation. So forgive us for not taking your word for it.

Now, if you seriously want to discuss this, please tuck your e-peen back and get that chip off your shoulder.

Until then, I have no more time for petty little drama queens like you.

IBTD.

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Slow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eNrg...eature=related

Well, they could just pull a Dukes of Hazzard, substituting Coy and Vance briefly for Bo and Luke. In this case, it's Statesman's cousin, the Diplomat, who arrives in Paragon to help out while State's is away. In true DoH fashion, the Diplomat would wear States' costumes. ( ' :

Nobody knows. None will stay old long enough to find out.

He's a bit older than that

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