How about killing of Statesman...and other possible avenues as such.

Ok, not sure which one is the submission area for ideas of plots..so here we go.

I was just thinking about Statesman as I passed him in IP/States TF out of a Tip door mish.
Since Jack Emmeritt no longer is involved with the game, actively at least, why not have a change of the guard by having some cataclysmic event (such as killing him) happenb to Statesman?

It's a good plot premise, and actually allows for another of the Dev toons to take the symbolic lead of Paragon City. Plus, there are alot of possible plotlines. States would still be represented somehow. Maybe in several ways, but just taking more of a background role.

Just off the top of my head: (Naturally, the scenarios could be any or all)

-Maybe have a whole event revolving around the death, or maybe disappearance, of Statesman. IN FACT, player participation on how the event unfolds could directly affect the outcome of whether Statesman returns (not knowing how until after can be part of the mystery too).

-Involve the Nemesis (as they are largely underused..or maybe the Malta), or others.
Something about clonjes, and reality warping sings strongly to me here.

-Have States replaced with an alternate version from another dimension (other than Praetorian Earth). This could allow for changes to powers, costume, persona...anything.

Lots of possibilites.

This would allow for the Devs to symbollically show how they've moved on from Cryptic Studios as well. During the event, there is always the possiblity that the new leader is figurehead material. Maybe it's time that this Superman/Captain Marvel-esque clone takes a back seat to a potentially more original hero. (Personally, I've always found that having a Patriotic hero with Greek/God bestowed powers to be a bit mismatching. Kind of like wearing a plaid shirt and striped pants together. Doesn't seem to mesh well..and yes, I understand the homage but it's IMO).
And if the new look heroes don't take then he can always be brought back. Nothing would have been any differnt for the attempt either.
Just good fun, interesting content, valuable fan testing for various future plots/ideas, and another idea to draw in new subscribers.

-A possible added feature could have one players character become a new trainer as the newest recruit.

All of these ideas can just be unconnected plot threads, but I thought it might be nice to voice them to see if they ever reach someone's ears in the creative design department.
Cutting edge content is what keep s the players craving for more, and nothing is edgier then, potentially, messing with an icon.
Just do it better then what's happend to Batman, Supes, Captain A, or drop me a line.
I'll do it right. :P

So let's kill the invincible old *******.

He already died once in the Comic Books and since the Comic books are tied to the game now, I don't think they be doing that, Also they have to remove all the content with Statesman with it, which would be to much to count for.

Ask the mods to move this to the suggestion forum. I don't see the question for players.

I... just don't see it happening. Ages ago when he actually left, I could see it as being a symbolic move. But at this point, after so long, I wouldn't see it as symbolic as much as thumbing our collective noses at him.

Killing Statesman would be silly - he's the main character used in advertising the game

There's no reason to "kill off" Statesman. "It was Jack's character and he's not with the company now" ... well, so what? If you went into game and mentioned his name, you'd probably get a lot of "Who?" (or "who lol") replies.

And if we're removing no-longer-PS employees, we'll also have to remove Recluse, as Zeb no longer works at PS, either - having left before there *was* a Paragon Studios. We'll also probably have to remove Sunstorm (the Peacebringer contact) - nobody's heard from that dev in a long time. I'm sure there are others, as well.

In short, Statesman is Statesman. Not Jack. The guard, in game, HAS been changed - thus the signature heroes mostly standing around training everyone else. There's no reason other than personal beefs against Mr. Cryptic to "kill off" the character. And "showing they've moved on?" They've been separate long enough. Many things that weren't "doable" before are being done. That's "symbol" enough for me.

(And Nemesis... underused? You're kidding, right?)

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At worst, I'd just start a running gag where Statesman and any of his counterparts knock low-threat minions off sufficiently tall structures, and then fly after them, never to be seen again.

We've already got one!

something that would prolly be easier to implement is in another version of earth where recluse killed statesmant sort of how cole killed stephan in praetoria

now thats a world i want to see, where "evil triumphs over good because good is dumb" lol (whoever gets the quote gets 5 internetz lol)

Personally, I would think that being stuck hanging around in IP with two psychics watching your every move from the other side of the hospital would be banishment enough. That's as close to another dimension as we can get short of hopping through Portal Corp.

For me, it's less about shunting him aside as the question of "who takes his place"? Who else would Paragon City (and the world) consider its shining beacon of hope? You've got the Phalanx as a group, which isn't too bad as a whole, but really there's no single living hero who might have stepped into that role.

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Honestly, no.

Insofar as the toon itself is concerned, it's the signature character for game.

Sure, DC has killed both Superman and Batman.
Marvel has killed Captain America.

But they've had a LOT longer to build up brand recognition than Paragon has. Years. DECADES!

At this point there's no emotional impact about losing the character for most people.

On the flip side, since the character IS associated with the game so intrinsically, why the hell would they authorize him to be "bumped off". Especially when they'd have to rework several portions of the game's content to account for it. It's not just a simple matter of "The Statesman Task Force is now the SuperBobDan Task Force" and "Rescue Da Kegger from Tyrant" with Maria Jenkins.

It's a waste of time and money on a pointless gesture.

As for the other reason, a slap at Emmert. You can claim that's NOT what this is about all you want. It still leaves a distinct odor of bovine fecal matter. What's more, nobody else outside of the community who's familiar with the separation of Cryptic from Paragon is going to believe it either. Even if it WAS the truth. It's too juicy, and too petty a motive to pass up.

All this would accomplish would be to paint Paragon as an utterly petty organization with all the negative accouterments to go with it.

Again, pointless gesture is pointless.

It's great that you seem to have a desire to improve the game. Seriously. It's just that it would be better if you pushed it in a more productive direction.

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The "City of" Universe without Statesman is like the DC Universe without Superman.

In my opinion, with the inclusion of the incarnate system we should actually see even more involvement by Statesman and Lord Recluse. It just makes sense to me that they should take a greater interest in our characters as we begin to access a level of power approaching their own.

What shape that involvement takes could very well be determined by the alignment system and what choices we make along the way.

Wow, lot's of terrible comments.


That being siad. That last paragraph SHOULDN't have needed to be stated.
Continue to find malice in your own shadow(s). It's just dumb.

Also, Statesman doesn't HAVE to die (or even die permanently), but it is a great plot device. It's just a shame the community, in general, is aas staid/limited in vision as it's always been.
Lacking in perception. Use some reward merits to buy a clue.

And States,man IS overused. Not necessarily in actuality, but in intent. There is a shadow that tends to loom. It simply turns the rest of the group into sidekicks.
As I said. Maybe just have a disappearance as a murder/mystery tyype event.
I never stated kill him off and wipe him out.
Too many moronic doomsayers that jump to conclusions here. BTW, you can;t blame it on ADD/ADHD, because willful negligence is a chosen stupidity.

As for proving my point...how about a glance at the top of the page...who are the two icons focused next to the City of Heroes logo? Right as we read, and comment, the proof positive is there.
Statesman, and Lord Recluse are the Singular personifications of the game. I say shake it up. Mess with the players. Maybe he stays dead. Maybe he doesn't. But the event would be insane. Guaranteed. And everyone would have fun, because the idea, and how I've preliminarily explained in, is an excellent premise.
And though it wasn't stated, because so many idiots here need to repeat that B comes after A...ect.
The elementary aspects are understood. Stop with the repetition.
It could've been a Ouroborous effect..whatever...it doesn't matter.

The community at large is a very poor representation of true comic fans of the world. Sure they act elitist, and tend to jump to every wrong conclusion for lack of actually trying to understand the correct one. And also have that faux supremist ideal that if they can;t understand it then it's not right. Sorry if I'm above many of you, but I don't just float in the clouds...I live in them. Queue the many negative/bashing comments that seem so appropo at this point.

The difference is that comic fans what the characters to grow, want the stories to change, want to shake things up to make things better. Comic fans are creative. They evolve. This community (as a whole) is holding the game back.
The very fact that it's been stated by the Devs that they don't open up TFs to solo players is because the community would whine is proof enough.

It's one thing not to agree with a person, and their ideal, and wholly another with how that response is dictated.
As proof you'll note that all my original posts have no attack, malice, ect. Only in response to said attributes do I become reactive in kind. I am a mirror. Those of you that feel offended, then go look in a mirror and fix yourselves. You use your voices for the wrong reasons.
You fail.