So, I side with the Hamidon.
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Posted on: 2010-10-04 14:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Reshaping the world to fit his ideal? Yeah, that fits pretty soundly under the classic megalomaniacal behavior of a Villain. Although frankly, I would say that Hamidon at this point transcends mere villainy into some other category.
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We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
Actually, that's one point of contention I have with the Hamidon. What makes him the arbiter of what the world should be?
I just want to see the Earth purged of the human race, with nature taking hold again, even if it means a period of upheaval as she runs rampant and unchecked.
^^I love pictures like that.
Take that civilisation!
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Though rereading this post gave me an interesting thought: I'm much like the Hamidon in that I have a vision for how the world ought to be, the only point of contention is that I don't believe in creatures like the Devoured. I just want to annihilate the human element without putting anything in their place.
I mean, honestly, it seems like we as a species are at war with nature, constantly competing with her. Who knows what would happen if we all suddenly disappeared, but I'm sure nothing monumentally bad.
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Originally Posted by Gulanzon
Does that make me a Hero, a Villain, or something else?
I mean, seriously, I'm chilling on Nova Praetoria's waterfront, looking at the towering jungle at the city outskirts, and thinking to myself "the Hamidon is the bad guy here? What?" |
This reminds me of those folks in Independence Day who were partying on the rooftop, welcoming the aliens, wearing their pretty costumes and cute signs. They thought the aliens were here to be our friends, our buddies, our pals.
Then the aliens nuked them with some crazy nuclear laser ray.
Hamidon may not be cruising around in a spaceship (yet) but he is not
your friend
your buddy
your pal
You do of course realize that if the earth is purged of the human race, you won't be around to enjoy it....as you yourself will have been purged right along with the rest of us.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Who says I would want to enjoy my human-purged Earth?
It's the same reason I've never killed myself, I'd feel too bad about my survivors.
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If you haven't already, you should watch the History Channel series "Life After People". It assumes a "what if" of humans just disappearing and each episode focuses on one aspect of what would happen over weeks, months, years and decades afterwards. How long it would take different things to spoil, rust, collapse and eventually disappear without a trace.|
Originally Posted by Gulanzon
I mean, honestly, it seems like we as a species are at war with nature, constantly competing with her. Who knows what would happen if we all suddenly disappeared, but I'm sure nothing monumentally bad .
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I'm sure that you would love it.
Actually I hated that series :P
I didn't like the angle it took of "Ohhhh civilisation is important! Oooooooh nature is bad!!!!" It was horrible to watch, sort of like hearing someone call your mother names over and over.
You are one crazy Hippie
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Originally Posted by Gulanzon
Actually I hated that series :P
I didn't like the angle it took of "Ohhhh civilisation is important! Oooooooh nature is bad!!!!" It was horrible to watch, sort of like hearing someone call your mother names over and over. |
As an ardent greenie I kinda like the Hamidon's ideals but appointing himself as arbiter of how the world should look is just a step too far.
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Between the Loyalists and Resistance, I'd be tempted to support Praetorian Hamidon.
One side uses mind police and will "disappear" you and the other uses poison gas and bombs on civilians. Hamidon? He'll just have a tree eat you. Much simpler. If we're all going to be oppressed and/or killed by someone, it might as well be the walking trees. At least they don't speak in annoying code or doublespeak. They just devour you.
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You are one crazy Hippie
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News flash: Humans are as much a part of nature as any other organism out there. (Setting aside for the moment that the majority of living cells in a human being contain no human DNA, tiny little ecosystems that our bodies are.) Of course that doesn't mean that human presence and population is always a good thing. Much like the out of control algal blooms that cause red tide, unchecked human population growth can cause widespread damage. It's a really odd sort of arrogance to assume that humans are something completely separate and distinct from the rest of nature.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
The world won't be saved with extremism, ecological or otherwise.
Eradicating the human species may help the ecology of the planet in the short term, but another species will rise up and take over eventually. Conservation is not the primary focus of any creature. Humans are, thus far, the first creatures to realize that if we destroy what we're sitting on, we'll die too.
The sad thing is that we don't see saving our future generations as incentive enough.
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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
Humans are, thus far, the first creatures to realize that if we destroy what we're sitting on, we'll die too.
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Let's see a chimpanzee invent a steamship.
The interesting thing is out of all the factions in Praetoria, Hamidon is the most honest in what it wants to do.
Unfortunately I haven't completely lost faith in humanity yet and find myself unable to side with Hamidon at this time.
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Originally Posted by Gulanzon
We're also the first creatures to have the organisational capacity and intellect to go about destroying what we're sitting on.
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Lemmings, contrary to belief, don't commit mass suicides. They commit mass exoduses because they've devoured their food sources to near total depletion. Whatever cliff or ocean is in their way is only seen as an obstacle in their path, they don't realize they're about to die.
This destruction you're talking about is not restricted only to humanity. We're just one of a great many greedy creatures on the planet.
I think you're just trying to be contrary now. Either that, or you're revealing far too much of a self-destructive mentality and a fatalistic viewpoint.
People don't come here to talk about ecoterrorism, and they're less-than-likely to support your opinion that we all need to be destroyed in order for the world to be saved. I rather like humanity in general, I like being alive. I don't feel like giving up just because you're a little disappointed with your species.
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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
Hey! No decimating the human race, meatsack!
That's my schtick! 
Gorramn fleshlings...
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Why do I get the feeling that you would fit right in on the Planet of the Apes. (Yes I am aware that Planet of the Apes is Earth in the future, but humans are pretty much an endangered species and no longer the "alphas" of the Earth) Plus the fact that nature has taken over pretty much the whole planet. (I am talking strictly the first one with Charles Heston, not the stupid sequels or the one with Marky Mark)
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Originally Posted by Gulanzon
We're also the first creatures to have the organisational capacity and intellect to go about destroying what we're sitting on.
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Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!
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Not what I got out of it.|
Originally Posted by Gulanzon
Actually I hated that series :P
I didn't like the angle it took of "Ohhhh civilisation is important! Oooooooh nature is bad!!!!" It was horrible to watch, sort of like hearing someone call your mother names over and over. |
I saw: Don't be so sure of humanity's immortality. Without us, our "stuff" would (eventually) disappear too.
If the devoured weren't all gross looking with the mouth tentacles and what, I'd glady roam free as one with the rock monsters and frolic with the mushroom men (they look like they have a good time, ALL the time!)
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Reshaping the world to fit his ideal? Yeah, that fits pretty soundly under the classic megalomaniacal behavior of a Villain.
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Originally Posted by beyeajus
If the devoured weren't all gross looking with the mouth tentacles and what, I'd glady roam free as one with the rock monsters and frolic with the mushroom men (they look like they have a good time, ALL the time!)
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*yoink, eats*
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Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
Beaver dams have been known to cause massive damage to their environments. Locusts devour vegetation and hordes of ants have been known to slaughter everything in their paths.
Lemmings, contrary to belief, don't commit mass suicides. They commit mass exoduses because they've devoured their food sources to near total depletion. Whatever cliff or ocean is in their way is only seen as an obstacle in their path, they don't realize they're about to die. This destruction you're talking about is not restricted only to humanity. We're just one of a great many greedy creatures on the planet. |
Locust swarms might well be an anthropogenic problem due to our farming practices.
etc, etc.
You addressed that we are not the only wildly destructive creatures on the planet, but you avoided the issue of our capability to organise ourselves on a massive scale, and create multiple interacting communities on vast and varying scales.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
I think you're just trying to be contrary now. Either that, or you're revealing far too much of a self-destructive mentality and a fatalistic viewpoint.
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I don't think t boils down to what sort of a mentality I have. If you'll read back to my opening post: I see nature running wild outside Praetoria, and it fills me with peace. I think it's beautiful.
Civilisation disappoints me.
Of course there is a middle ground: the human race needn't be eradicated. Perhaps we should all just get sent back to the stone age, when we were too fragmented to pose such a large-scale threat to the planet. Unfortunately we as a species would almost certainly recover
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Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
People don't come here to talk about ecoterrorism, and they're less-than-likely to support your opinion that we all need to be destroyed in order for the world to be saved. I rather like humanity in general, I like being alive. I don't feel like giving up just because you're a little disappointed with your species.
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Actually, they do. Lemmings don't jump the minute they come across the ocean or cliff. They spend hours waiting at the edge, until their urge to live is overcome by their urge to continue migrating.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
Lemmings, contrary to belief, don't commit mass suicides. They commit mass exoduses because they've devoured their food sources to near total depletion. Whatever cliff or ocean is in their way is only seen as an obstacle in their path, they don't realize they're about to die. |
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And you're ignoring those communities' capabilities to work towards fixing the problems that you're harping on. We're at a turning point in such thinking, even if it took greedy people learning how they could profit from it to get it started.| You addressed that we are not the only wildly destructive creatures on the planet, but you avoided the issue of our capability to organise ourselves on a massive scale, and create multiple interacting communities on vast and varying scales. |
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| Of course there is a middle ground: the human race needn't be eradicated. Perhaps we should all just get sent back to the stone age, when we were too fragmented to pose such a large-scale threat to the planet. Unfortunately we as a species would almost certainly recover |
Sadly, learning from history is not humanity's strongpoint.
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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
Does that make me a Hero, a Villain, or something else?
I mean, seriously, I'm chilling on Nova Praetoria's waterfront, looking at the towering jungle at the city outskirts, and thinking to myself "the Hamidon is the bad guy here? What?"