So, I side with the Hamidon.
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Posted on: 2010-10-04 14:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Hmmm. Hamidon's plan; kill all humans. Yeah, I think that makes you the bad guy.|
Originally Posted by Gulanzon
Does that make me a Hero, a Villain, or something else?
I mean, seriously, I'm chilling on Nova Praetoria's waterfront, looking at the towering jungle at the city outskirts, and thinking to myself "the Hamidon is the bad guy here? What?" |
Or this guy:
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Basically... If you just kill a few of my and others family members, you're just a villain...
But, if you follow through and kill ALL humans... Then my corpse will applaud you.
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Hamidon's a jerk. If you've forgotten why, do the "Terra Conspiracy" arc again. To put it briefly, his desire to see everyone drive hybrid cars and recycle their cans is no excuse for his overweening selfishness and his tendency to use even the people who care about him most heartlessly. (Not to mention the whole "I want to devour the earth" thing.) I consider him the most underused of the "masterminding" villains in this sense and one of the most purely evil, far worse than, say, Nemesis. We get a fair number of opportunities to fight Hamidon, but I don't think we get enough examples of his straight-up villainy. Maybe i19 will remedy this, but I suspect the devs will go over to the prevailing player interpretation of him as a mindless, organic machine who's just misguided.
And no, he isn't some kind of innocent blob (or innocent pseudo-Cthulhoid horror in Praetoria); he can still think his nasty thoughts. There's mission from either Vernon von Grun or Dr. Forrester where he communicates with you telepathically, and he's definitely rational.
Also, nice Bender reference upthread there.
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"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."
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Also note that the souvenir for the arc is:
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Originally Posted by Olantern
And no, he isn't some kind of innocent blob (or innocent pseudo-Cthulhoid horror in Praetoria); he can still think his nasty thoughts. There's mission from either Vernon von Grun or Dr. Forrester where he communicates with you telepathically, and he's definitely rational.
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Hamidon's Letter You've kept this letter, addressed from Hamidon to Tanya Tyler. It's a reminder of one of your greatest battles against the Devouring Earth. |
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Does it make you cry robot tears at night, when you realize that robots would never exist without some fleshy meatsack building one, some where, at some time?|
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nice! Yes that's pretty appropriate.
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Originally Posted by KianaZero
I'm thinking more along the lines of this guy
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There are quite a few possibilities here:|
Originally Posted by Paragon
Does this suggest that Hamidon can also write? Or does he simply assume control over one of his horde and write through it?
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1) He can write with a pseudopod or something. The most-hated DE intern job is cleaning Hami's pencils.
2) He can levitate pens or whatever with the power of his mind.
3) He assumes control of a Bladegrass or whatever and writes through it.
4) The arc takes place before he fully devolved into an amoeba; at the time he wrote it, he was some kind of inhuman horror, but he still had fingers.
5) He took control of someone's mind and wrote through them. We haven't seen Hami do this, but it seems like a likely power for a superintelligent amoeba, based on my comics experience.
6) Perhaps the scariest of all, a sympathetic, non-DE human though he was so wonderful that the human wrote it on his behalf.
7) The most likely of all: whoever wrote the arc and whoever created the in-game Hamidon both worked from the same, extremely vague outline in the story bible, never even spoke to each other, and would be shocked at each other's interpretations if they hadn't left the dev team years ago.
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This thread made me think of This scene.
That said, I never got the impression that the History Channel show Life after people was in a tone of humans good/nature bad.
Then again I did just watch it so I could know what to expect a few years into the zombie apocalypse.
I don't wanna kill all of humanity...
Just 80% or so.
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Originally Posted by Olantern
There are quite a few possibilities here:
1) He can write with a pseudopod or something. The most-hated DE intern job is cleaning Hami's pencils. 2) He can levitate pens or whatever with the power of his mind. 3) He assumes control of a Bladegrass or whatever and writes through it. 4) The arc takes place before he fully devolved into an amoeba; at the time he wrote it, he was some kind of inhuman horror, but he still had fingers. 5) He took control of someone's mind and wrote through them. We haven't seen Hami do this, but it seems like a likely power for a superintelligent amoeba, based on my comics experience. 6) Perhaps the scariest of all, a sympathetic, non-DE human though he was so wonderful that the human wrote it on his behalf. 7) The most likely of all: whoever wrote the arc and whoever created the in-game Hamidon both worked from the same, extremely vague outline in the story bible, never even spoke to each other, and would be shocked at each other's interpretations if they hadn't left the dev team years ago. |
But would it make more sense to just assume, I dunno:
0) He wrote it when he was still human?
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Originally Posted by beyeajus
I bet they sit around all day listening to 70's rock around a bong haha.
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Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
Does it make you cry robot tears at night, when you realize that robots would never exist without some fleshy meatsack building one, some where, at some time?
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I could not help myself, I just cracked up laughing as I read this... mainly because it reminded me of the AE arc I wrote where Vernon von Grun inadvertently gave the Devouring Earth the intelligence of Dr. Aeon (reducing the good doctor to the sentience of a houseplant in the process). Would you mind terribly if I updated the arc and gave the DE boss part of this as a speech at the end? I'd be happy to credit you for the speech!|
Originally Posted by Gulanzon
You smug, self-satisfied, myopic fools! Idiots! Every last single one of you. Scuttering about like so many cockroaches. Writhing and feasting like maggots freshly hatched on the carcass of Mother Earth, who was all too willing to sustain and provide for you in her own power! Of her own volition!
And you have the AUDACITY to call me INSANE. To call me misguided. EVIL even! Oh the irony. The bitter, bitter irony. Can you not see that it is YOU who are mad! As a species, you have failed my beloved planet! You have failed every absolute standard of decency, honesty, and goodwill! And for that, you must be punished. You. must. be purged. I will not stand to see this affront to everything I hold dear! I will not stand for this sacrilege and ****! This madness. This unchecked, rampant, wild decadence and degradation! Pah! And you... you fools who would seek to stop me... Come, if you will. If you dare. I will be waiting, with the righteous host of heaven at my back, and the providence of the Divine blazing within my soul. It would be a fool's headlong charge into the purifying flames of absolution. Now. Quiver in fear. Cower in TERROR. Enjoy these final moments of sin and depravity. Unleash your true nature and revel in the lust and gluttony that lies at your roots, that taints your very essence. You are all beyond redemption. |
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It gave me the the vibe that mankind is like a colony of ants that makes a mound out of pine needles. Once we stop swarming and fidgeting and maintaining our mound, the wind will slowly blow it away bit by bit. It just a matter of time, once we go away, that everything crumbles to the weather.
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
That said, I never got the impression that the History Channel show Life after people was in a tone of humans good/nature bad. Then again I did just watch it so I could know what to expect a few years into the zombie apocalypse. |
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I think we're Nature's big version of a virus, or a cancer. Yeah a planetary cancer waiting to grow large enough so it can burst forth and spread across the universe.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
News flash: Humans are as much a part of nature as any other organism out there. (Setting aside for the moment that the majority of living cells in a human being contain no human DNA, tiny little ecosystems that our bodies are.) Of course that doesn't mean that human presence and population is always a good thing. Much like the out of control algal blooms that cause red tide, unchecked human population growth can cause widespread damage. It's a really odd sort of arrogance to assume that humans are something completely separate and distinct from the rest of nature.
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I think more like mold on a piece of fruit of some sort, lol
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I'm seriously hoping for "in character". Otherwise, I'd advise therapy.
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Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
This guy loses a lot of his credibilty by the fact he's using his personal computer to post on an internet website dedicated to an online game.
If he's being 'in charictor'... interesting viewpoint. If he's really trying to convince us this is his view of the world... sorry... go live under a tree somewhere or I don't buy it. |
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Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
It gave me the the vibe that mankind is like a colony of ants that makes a mound out of pine needles. Once we stop swarming and fidgeting and maintaining our mound, the wind will slowly blow it away bit by bit. It just a matter of time, once we go away, that everything crumbles to the weather.
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"How do you know you are on the side of good?" a Paragon citizen asked him. "How can we even know what is 'good'?"
"The Most High has spoken, even with His own blood," Melancton replied. "Surely we know."
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If it helps you feel any better, I could 'hear' your tone change in my head during that brief OOC aside before getting back to IC ranting goodness.
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Originally Posted by Gulanzon
In the end, I'm not a very good actor, so while I can't quite cross the line and be someone I'm not, I can most certainly smudge who I am, blurring that line between fantasy and reality, and leave people guessing at whether I'm joking or being serious.
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Originally Posted by Satanic_Hamster
That's all well and good.
But would it make more sense to just assume, I dunno: 0) He wrote it when he was still human? |
Considering the fact that you have to rescue one of his Organelle's from Crey in that arc, I would have to say "HELL NO!" to any assumption that he was human at the time.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
I could not help myself, I just cracked up laughing as I read this... mainly because it reminded me of the AE arc I wrote where Vernon von Grun inadvertently gave the Devouring Earth the intelligence of Dr. Aeon (reducing the good doctor to the sentience of a houseplant in the process). Would you mind terribly if I updated the arc and gave the DE boss part of this as a speech at the end? I'd be happy to credit you for the speech!
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And of course, if you need supervillain rants, I'd be happy to oblige. I wouldn't mind the practice.
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Obilgatory link about lemming myths http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming...misconceptions
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Originally Posted by Rikis
Actually, they do. Lemmings don't jump the minute they come across the ocean or cliff. They spend hours waiting at the edge, until their urge to live is overcome by their urge to continue migrating.
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I don't recall anything in that arc to suggest that the letter was written that day. Could have been written in the past, before he turned. |
Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
Considering the fact that you have to rescue one of his Organelle's from Crey in that arc, I would have to say "HELL NO!" to any assumption that he was human at the time.
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Of course, that leads to some questions.... Assuming Hamidon turned into Hamidon at the same time in our Universe and Preatorian universe, how old was he AND Tanya at the time? Because she was described as a "young woman," so let's assuming 35 at the oldest. So there's a possibility if this WAS written years in the past, Dr. Hamidon may be a pedophile.
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Rock, rock on Hamster.
You can argue Villain side: I hate people and love nature. Thus, Hamidon is good and people are bad. I must stop people from progressing etc.
You can also argue a Vigilante side: People are stupid and nature is good. I must protect people as a whole from their stupidity all the while forwarding the notion that nature is king/queen and should always be in charge, not people. So, I shall do whatever it takes to eradicate human error and give nature an advantage where I can.
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If he's being 'in charictor'... interesting viewpoint. If he's really trying to convince us this is his view of the world... sorry... go live under a tree somewhere or I don't buy it.
No, IRL my viewpoint is just that I enjoy my alone time. I like walking around my neighbourhood early in the morning/late at night to enjoy seeing it without people around, because I think it's beautiful, and not because I want to see the human race annihilated.
In the end, I'm not a very good actor, so while I can't quite cross the line and be someone I'm not, I can most certainly smudge who I am, blurring that line between fantasy and reality, and leave people guessing at whether I'm joking or being serious.
Anyway...
All is right with the world now.