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There's a very big difference between "Oh, I say... Lucas, would you be so kind as to teach the gentleman a lesson?" and "Kill this guy."|
Originally Posted by MacOberon
I have the utmost respect for any hero or villain who can be truly acidic, while remaining perfectly composed and civilised. It is however not an optimal solution for all characters and all times. Everyone can't run around, exchanging politically correct insults like Batman and E Nigma. In fact, many characters would suffer failure of epic proportions if they even tried. It's a rare few thug masterminds that should ever even consider saying "Oh, I say... Lucas, would you be so kind as to teach the gentleman a lesson?" Again, there's room for these characters as well, but if they all acted like this I would need a higher dose of anti-depressants.
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Just as there is a very big difference between "Kill this guy," and "**** this ***** up."
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Personally I think you should always ******* avoid vulgarity and swearing in public, as otherwise people will just think you're an *******.
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I like cursing because it cuts right to the point, without dancing around at all. Everyone understands exactly what point is being made. It is a very efficient form of communication.|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I've always felt that heavy profanity use, largely, displays an innate intellectual inadequacy with regard to being incapable of expressing one's thoughts and feelings like a civilized human being.
That said, why not make your bathroom-etiquette villain talk like Wolverine, Lobo, or Roman Moroni? All the cursing you can stand, and still rated G.  |
One of my most repected mentors that I have had along my career path was so creative with cursing, I would call him an artist. The last thing I would accuse him of is limited intelligence.
Another example. George Carlin. Nuff said.
I do however, cater to my environment, and with two kids under 2, one whom is learning to speak, I don't swear nearly as often as I used to.
While it's true that "intellectual inadequacy" can refer to, "Dur, I are stupid. You eat poop on you!" it can also refer to, "I am incapable of rendering my thoughts and emotions for reasons out of my control, and there are no words for this but ** ** ***** **** ****."
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I tend to swear pretty freely in real life, and do so in game as well. I'll stop if someone asks me to, but that happens quite rarely in my experience. Honestly, it's never been a big issue for me.
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Exactly. i don't especially have issues with profanity if it makes sense for the character, but the OP gave me the impression in the original post that he considered it necessary for a villain to lay on the obscenities if they were going to talk like a villain. i still stand by my belief that not every single villain is an ADHD-addled psychopath who talks like their greatest ambition is probably either to successfully hold up a convenience store with a boxcutter or win the international profanity competition. Or maybe just to regale everyone with the penultimate version of The Aristocrats. |
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I agree but it's likely been reinforced through years of TV and old movies. Generally the degree to which somebody cusses is related to wealth and education. White collar Vs blue collar, officers Vs enlisted, suburban Vs inner city, college grad Vs high school drop out. If one of less prone to cussing individual does swear it's either done for comical effect, a sign of something serious or that they are actually a "bad apple".
This goes back to the debate of what is a villain? It doesn't mean you kick puppies, slap women around and go on murderous rampages. You can toss foul language into that false mold as well. |
While MacOberon's later post made it clearer that asserting all villains are foul-mouthed perverts wasn't entirely his intent, i would point out that many modern villains only use strong profanity as emphasis. Precision f strikes have far more impact than simply flinging the verbal sewer gates wide. There is a continuum between high-spoken pretentious snob and slavering monster with a vocabulary of 20 words. (15 of them being obscenities.)
Euphemisms and invented vulgarities are the best way of getting your point that a character is a crude brute across publicly without violating the game's rating.
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to the OP, in a purely RP atmosphere, this is a great way to work it in a non offensive manner ... |
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Euphemisms and invented vulgarities are the best way of getting your point that a character is a crude brute across publicly without violating the game's rating.
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Frack : made famous on the BattleStar Galactica series
Frell : made famous on the FarScape series
Smeg(head) : made famous on the Red Dwarf series
Frag : made famous in numerous FPS games
are just a few of the many examples
a major part of RPing is creativeity
Being Swedish, like I mentioned earlier, I suppose I got a slightly different outlook on things. One thing that always surprises me even after all these years online is the obsession with pg rating, and how it's directly related to language and little else. It also surprises me how the discussions often seem to revolve mostly around the language itself, as if that was somehow the source of ill will between players.
I always felt it's far worse to kindly inform a player that "you sir, are an idiot", than it is to have a character use the phrase "eat ****, ************" in RP. In pretty much all games I've even been on though, I've seen people banned for using the f-word carelessly - and at the same time, I've seen others escape without even a slap on the wrist, despite repeatedly going out of their way to hurt and insult other players in an OOC fashion, albeit using posh language to do so. It all feels extremely foreign to me.
Anyone else playing the EU servers, who is noticing a difference in attitudes towards language and intentions?
Calling a player a smeghead... I'd consider it offensive to no end. Far worse than using "profanity" in character. The intentions, and the intended target, matter so little. "Euphemisms and invented vulgarities" just strike me as odd, and again, very american. Someone comes up to me and writes "What the frack are you doing?!", to me it's little more than a way to circumvent the profanity filter. We all know the meaning of frack is equivalent of ****, don't we?
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I've always felt that heavy profanity use, largely, displays an innate intellectual inadequacy with regard to being incapable of expressing one's thoughts and feelings like a civilized human being.
That said, why not make your bathroom-etiquette villain talk like Wolverine, Lobo, or Roman Moroni? All the cursing you can stand, and still rated G. |
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Originally Posted by MacOberon
Being Swedish, like I mentioned earlier, I suppose I got a slightly different outlook on things. One thing that always surprises me even after all these years online is the obsession with pg rating, and how it's directly related to language and little else. It also surprises me how the discussions often seem to revolve mostly around the language itself, as if that was somehow the source of ill will between players.
I always felt it's far worse to kindly inform a player that "you sir, are an idiot", than it is to have a character use the phrase "eat ****, ************" in RP. In pretty much all games I've even been on though, I've seen people banned for using the f-word carelessly - and at the same time, I've seen others escape without even a slap on the wrist, despite repeatedly going out of their way to hurt and insult other players in an OOC fashion, albeit using posh language to do so. It all feels extremely foreign to me. Anyone else playing the EU servers, who is noticing a difference in attitudes towards language and intentions? Calling a player a smeghead... I'd consider it offensive to no end. Far worse than using "profanity" in character. The intentions, and the intended target, matter so little. "Euphemisms and invented vulgarities" just strike me as odd, and again, very american. Someone comes up to me and writes "What the frack are you doing?!", to me it's little more than a way to circumvent the profanity filter. We all know the meaning of frack is equivalent of ****, don't we? Mac |
Of course, I don't think most anyone in this thread would condone that type of "properly" worded insult over simple, untargeted swearing... But your observation is a smart one, in my opinion.
Personally, I find the whole curse/swear word thing rather foolish.
That being said, I am quite a gentleman about how I speak around others... However, I can also use curses every other word if I feel the need.
All in all... I don't think the you will have any troubles with any of the mentioned topics or language in game and in role-playing.
If you do... you're possibly playing with the wrong people for yourself and should have little problem finding others with similar interests.
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Normally I don't cuss in a team and never in BC. But that doesn't mean that I don't once in awhile. I think the pc enviroment spends too much time policing what others are doing instead of concentrating on what they should be doing.
A good example was when the movie "Kick-***" came out all the critics threw a fit that Hit Girl cussed but they didn't seem to mind so much that she killed a ton of baddies.Sorta *** backwards in my book.
I personally don't mind if it happens but it seems the kids think it's cool to do it in bc and make a game/joke of it but, then again that's just a sign of their age and maturity level.
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What can we say. America was founded by a bunch of religious nut-jobs that got kicked out of Europe and we've always had screwy intolerances to language and sexuality. Sure we've come a long way but we still have plenty of uptight factions.|
Originally Posted by MacOberon
Being Swedish, like I mentioned earlier, I suppose I got a slightly different outlook on things. One thing that always surprises me even after all these years online is the obsession with pg rating, and how it's directly related to language and little else. It also surprises me how the discussions often seem to revolve mostly around the language itself, as if that was somehow the source of ill will between players.
I always felt it's far worse to kindly inform a player that "you sir, are an idiot", than it is to have a character use the phrase "eat ****, ************" in RP. In pretty much all games I've even been on though, I've seen people banned for using the f-word carelessly - and at the same time, I've seen others escape without even a slap on the wrist, despite repeatedly going out of their way to hurt and insult other players in an OOC fashion, albeit using posh language to do so. It all feels extremely foreign to me. Anyone else playing the EU servers, who is noticing a difference in attitudes towards language and intentions? Calling a player a smeghead... I'd consider it offensive to no end. Far worse than using "profanity" in character. The intentions, and the intended target, matter so little. "Euphemisms and invented vulgarities" just strike me as odd, and again, very american. Someone comes up to me and writes "What the frack are you doing?!", to me it's little more than a way to circumvent the profanity filter. We all know the meaning of frack is equivalent of ****, don't we? Mac |
I myself got smacked with the generic bat because someone got offended over a character I had named Phart the Dispersing.
Another problem is the method in which we have to communicate in this games and forum. The written word lacks so much vital subtext it's easy to assume the worst meaning is intended. We have no way of hearing the tone of voice, of seeing the body language. Things that normally tell us if a person is angry or joking around. It's also easy to forget that we don't know who's on the other end of the computer. That same anonymity also makes some individuals think they can get away with acting like jerks.
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I dont know why the Joker never cusses.
I'd think someone like him would just randomly go on a cussing tirade
I don't think it should be the swear words that get you in trouble but how you use them. In a joking context, you can be obviously joking and no harm intended while asking "what the **** are you doing jughead". On the flip side, you can skip the swear words and call someone an idiot to the point of verbal abuse without a single swear word.
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Originally Posted by Streeja
I don't think it should be the swear words that get you in trouble but how you use them. In a joking context, you can be obviously joking and no harm intended while asking "what the **** are you doing jughead". On the flip side, you can skip the swear words and call someone an idiot to the point of verbal abuse without a single swear word.
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Some people can't tell when others are joking using just our ingame chat boxes. A voice channel like Ventrillo lets us hear how things are being said but most people don't use them.
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Maybe not, but this IS a Teen-rated game, not a Mature-rated game. And you ARE expected to live up to the ToS, whether you like it or not. If you don't mind risking an account ban and losing access to your "oh-so-ebil" villain, then go right ahead and curse like a sailor.|
Originally Posted by MacOberon
What's ok, and what isn't?
I'm a roleplayer - and a rogue/villain that doesn't even use the f-word strikes me as silly. 7 year old girls in catholic school uses the f-word. I'm hoping I'm not expected to live up to US TV standard, bleeping myself all the time.  |
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| As far as I'm concerned... I think it should be fine to use as foul language as I like. Anyone that doesn't like it should keep the profanity filter ON; that'll take care of everything. |
I'm a little more than tired of people using the LAME excuse of "I'm a villain!" to feel entitled to do whatever idiot thing enters their head. God forbid people should feel constrained to alter their behavior to fit into civilization. Yeah, I hear you saying "It's just a game!", but there ARE people behind the keyboards, and if you stand next to me in game spouting obscenities, I WILL petition you.
It's prohibited by the ToS. That should end the conversation right there, but unfortunately it won't.
I say go right ahead, do whatever you want. Eventually, your behavior will get you banned, so I say sooner, rather than later.
Short version:
When you click {I Agree} to the rules, you've agreed to follow them, whether they say "No Swearing" or "No characters with purple underpants."
Consequences are to be expected, particularly when you've been warned ahead of time.
Other than that, play nice and have fun. It ain't that hard.
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Uh, smeg(head) did not originate in that series, and that's definitely not where i first heard the term, but it's actually an abbreviated form of smegma. So it actually should be seen as "dirtier" than many filtered terms.|
Originally Posted by Morbid Star
to the OP, in a purely RP atmosphere, this is a great way to work it in a non offensive manner ...
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While i may find American rules regarding vulgarity silly and illogical i do know the rules and can accommodate them regardless of how sensible i consider them.
Honestly, if i really want to tell someone off i'm more likely to use extremely detailed terminology that contains no individually vulgar words by American standards.
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One thing about telling people to use the filter is the filter has some words that are mostLy harmless, even added by accident. Just ask the sg the [#%*'] of Justice about it.
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I try never to use language that I know should not be said around kids or teens and such. I try not to swear and with type its easy not to do it. I would think the only times i get upset is when people use swear words and such when children or teens are known to be around. And when people use any hate slurs or any language or words that could be thought of as deflamating or hate speech. That stuff i will not tolerate. In sg i leave it up to my sg with regards to always think of the whole sg not just one or two others without any bigotry or hate speech being used. In broadcast or local or even coalie chat any bad language is frowned at .
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Also - the TOS, and more importantly the GM staff, doesn't care if your chosen curse words are blocked by the filter when someone uses it, you can get slapped/banned anyway.
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Originally Posted by MacOberon
As far as I'm concerned... I think it should be fine to use as foul language as I like. Anyone that doesn't like it should keep the profanity filter ON; that'll take care of everything.
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Woke up on the wrong side of the bed, did we? That's a pretty aggressive way to deal with an opinion. You are right, there are people behind the keyboards, and you just showed a total lack of respect for every single one of them. You have gone out of your way to insult and hurt another player. Who's violating the TOS?|
Oh, right. Since it's YOU, yes, of course you should be able to do ANYthing you want. Why didn't I see that earlier? I'm a little more than tired of people using the LAME excuse of "I'm a villain!" to feel entitled to do whatever idiot thing enters their head. God forbid people should feel constrained to alter their behavior to fit into civilization. Yeah, I hear you saying "It's just a game!", but there ARE people behind the keyboards, and if you stand next to me in game spouting obscenities, I WILL petition you. It's prohibited by the ToS. That should end the conversation right there, but unfortunately it won't. I say go right ahead, do whatever you want. Eventually, your behavior will get you banned, so I say sooner, rather than later. |
Seriously... Uncalled for. Not cool.
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This goes back to the debate of what is a villain? It doesn't mean you kick puppies, slap women around and go on murderous rampages. You can toss foul language into that false mold as well.
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