How can there be a Praetorian Infernal?
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Posted on: 2010-09-22 10:45 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Because Primal Infernal came from Primal Demon-dimension and Praetorian Infernal came from Praetorian Demon-dimension? There's no reason why there should only be one dimension with Infernal in when there are at least 3 with Statesman...
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There's infinite dimensions with infinite possibilities for how their histories play out or possibly interact with each other....why wouldn't, theoretically speaking, "Praetorian" Rikti make sense?
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Infernal's dimension is an alternate world version of our own like Praetorian Earth there isn't a Praetorian Infernal dimension and a Primal Infernal dimension, just Infernal Earth.
I understand how with all the infinite dimensions that "another" Infernal could have gone to Praetorian earth, but that's not how the Canon portrays it.
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There's infinite dimensions with infinite possibilities for how their histories play out or possibly interact with each other....why wouldn't, theoretically speaking, "Praetorian" Rikti make sense?
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In what way does the canon discount that possibility? (Not too sure of the canon with regards to this, so I'm curious)
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Originally Posted by Brynstar
Infernal's dimension is an alternate world version of our own like Praetorian Earth there isn't a Praetorian Infernal dimension and a Primal Infernal dimension, just Infernal Earth.
I understand how with all the infinite dimensions that "another" Infernal could have gone to Praetorian earth, but that's not how the Canon portrays it. |
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I'm not questioning the possibilities merely the canon they have put out. Rikti are just "Rikti" they aren't native of Primal Earth they came here because Nemesis tricked them into attacking us, so if Rikti were on Praetorian Earth they would be the same Rikti. There aren't Primal Earth Rikti or Praetorian Earth Rikti, just Rikti. If they wanna stick to that canon then there shouldnt be a Primal Infernal and a Praetorian Infernal, since he isn't a native to either dimension.
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Originally Posted by Furio
There's infinite dimensions with infinite possibilities for how their histories play out or possibly interact with each other....why wouldn't, theoretically speaking, "Praetorian" Rikti make sense?
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The canon states that when Infernal came to Praetorian Earth instead of Numina being his guide in this world, Diabolique warped him to bind too many demons to his armor and make him power hungry. If a ceremony gone wrong, sent him to Primal Earth from his own dimension, how did I also send him to Praetorian Earth?|
Originally Posted by Icelock
In what way does the canon discount that possibility? (Not too sure of the canon with regards to this, so I'm curious)
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I don't think i'm going to get a "real" answer, because there could be a dimension where Rikti invade Praetoria instead of ours, and I guess that "Infernal" is an alternate of our Infernal where the ceremony sent him to Praetorian instead of Primal earth.
*Shrugs*
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I think Praetorian Infernal IS Prime Infernal's friend, they just haven't gotten around to writing that story out yet.
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I think you answered your own question. Or maybe there's some other reason why Infernal ended up on Praetorian Earth.|
Originally Posted by Brynstar
The canon states that when Infernal came to Praetorian Earth instead of Numina being his guide in this world, Diabolique warped him to bind too many demons to his armor and make him power hungry. If a ceremony gone wrong, sent him to Primal Earth from his own dimension, how did I also send him to Praetorian Earth?
I don't think i'm going to get a "real" answer, because there could be a dimension where Rikti invade Praetoria instead of ours, and I guess that "Infernal" is an alternate of our Infernal where the ceremony sent him to Praetorian instead of Primal earth. *Shrugs* |
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No, they could be Rikti from an alternate dimension to the Rikti we know. Alternate dimensions allow for more than one dimension filled with Rikti, just like there is more than one dimension filled with humans.
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Originally Posted by Brynstar
I'm not questioning the possibilities merely the canon they have put out. Rikti are just "Rikti" they aren't native of Primal Earth they came here because Nemesis tricked them into attacking us, so if Rikti were on Praetorian Earth they would be the same Rikti. There aren't Primal Earth Rikti or Praetorian Earth Rikti, just Rikti. If they wanna stick to that canon then there shouldnt be a Primal Infernal and a Praetorian Infernal, since he isn't a native to either dimension.
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I guess my real problem is that the event of Infernal coming to Praetoria seems to be unquestioned and inevitable, but the Rikti invasion doesn't. |
Originally Posted by Ironik
I think you answered your own question. Or maybe there's some other reason why Infernal ended up on Praetorian Earth.
Ever watch the show Sliders? It also dealt with parallel universes and multiple Earths. Some were practically identical to ours while others were radically different. In one the differences were so minor it was difficult for the adventurers to figure out what they were, in another dinosaurs ruled the planet. With infinite universes, anything is possible. |
If you're going to say "when Infernal came to Preatorian Earth...." it should also be assumed that "When the Rikti invaded praetorian earth.......".
I just don't like that fact that they assume an interdimensional event that happened on Primal Earth also had to happen on Praetorian Earth.
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Originally Posted by Brynstar
I'm not questioning the possibilities merely the canon they have put out. Rikti are just "Rikti" they aren't native of Primal Earth they came here because Nemesis tricked them into attacking us, so if Rikti were on Praetorian Earth they would be the same Rikti. There aren't Primal Earth Rikti or Praetorian Earth Rikti, just Rikti. If they wanna stick to that canon then there shouldnt be a Primal Infernal and a Praetorian Infernal, since he isn't a native to either dimension.
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Canon does not, AFAIK, specifically remove the possibility of different parrallel dimensions where Infernal could originate or Rikti develop.
In fact, the possiblity can be inferred for the Rikti because there are clearly Primal and Praetorian Infernals.... And the in game appearance of both of them is about all the canon I need.
EDIT: there is enough difference in Praetoria for the different characters, background, motivation, and origin that I have no assumption that if it happened like X on Primal it has to be Y on Praetoria.
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I agree with that completely, and don't deny that there are other Rikti from alternates to Rikti Earth, but there arent any on Praetoria because the 'event' of them invading didn't happen there (that we know of).
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Originally Posted by Zikar
No, they could be Rikti from an alternate dimension to the Rikti we know. Alternate dimensions allow for more than one dimension filled with Rikti, just like there is more than one dimension filled with humans.
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I view it more like a multi-verse. Like in the movie The One. Each dimension has it's own seperate realities as well.
So in one Earth the Council took over everything back in the 40's, as such the subsequent events; Rikti invasion, formation of the Phalanx etc etc didn't happen there. It would stand to reason that this Council dimension also has a Praetorian counterpart, just very different from the one we know as the events would have been altered.
In essence, with a Multi-Verse you don't have to worry about something fitting into Canon because everything is a possibility. 
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There doesn't seem to be a official answer but I've seen players put forth 4 solutions.
1) Dimension vs. Plane: The game is incorrect in calling Infernal Earth a separate dimension and should be calling it a plane of existence with in the dimension (like the Spiritual plane, Croatoa, etc.) and there by both Priamal and Praetoria would have their own version.
2) Multiple Infernal Earth's: As has already been said, there could be 2 Earths which differ by no more than which Earth they sent their K'Varr to.
3)K'Varr vs T'Keron: They aren't the same individual from different universes, they're different individuals from the same universe who took the same name when they arrived in different dimensions.
4)Split K'Varr: It was a magic ritual, who knows what could have gone wrong, maybe he was split and ended up in 2 realities.
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Originally Posted by Brynstar
I guess my real problem is that the event of Infernal coming to Praetoria seems to be unquestioned and inevitable, but the Rikti invasion doesn't.
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If you're going to say "when Infernal came to Preatorian Earth...." it should also be assumed that "When the Rikti invaded praetorian earth.......". I just don't like that fact that they assume an interdimensional event that happened on Primal Earth also had to happen on Praetorian Earth. |
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I think Praetorian Infernal IS Prime Infernal's boyfriend, they just haven't gotten around to writing that story out yet.
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Or maybe it was interdimensional physics, not magic that did the split. If universes split off from each other into alternate versions according to different outcomes of historical events, then the same principle could cause interdimensional travelers with poorly controlled trajectories to arrive in multiple universes as alternate versions of themselves; since they could arrive in any one of many universes, they arrive in all of them. Which could be awkward when they all try to go back to the same home dimension...
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4)Split K'Varr: It was a magic ritual, who knows what could have gone wrong, maybe he was split and ended up in 2 realities.
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On topic, I like the dimension vs plane angle.
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While playing today one of the game tips on the load screen was talking about Infernal being from an alternate dimension where they bind demons ect ect, and it got me thinking. If Infernal isn't from Primal Earth how can there be a Praetorian version of him?
The canon is that he comes to Primal Earth during a ceremony gone wrong and Numina is helping him look for a being that is a combination of his best friend and a demon lord. While the praetorian version comes to their world and becomes power hungry under the influence of Diabolique.
How can a being from an alternate world end up in both dimensions as 2 individual beings? It wouldn't make any sense for there to be Praetorian Rikti so why is there a Praetorian Infernal?
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