up to 1.8 million, still haven't cracked the crust.
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pushing 3 million, but someone has noticed the price spike and started dumping stock- putting up some stacks of 10k bids to soak up supply until they give up.
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You'll never get them all, but I applaud the effort 
guess somebody wanted to make their crushing Impact IO's pretty badly!
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Originally Posted by Misaligned
You'll never get them all, but I applaud the effort
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Hmm, what to do, what to do.
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It wasn't me! I buy mine at 17 and list them at 67k or less.
Anything significantly over 1000x markup is a little too greedy, even for me.
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Well, any price spike you might have caused is already over now.
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there were fifteen minutes or so when people (besides me) were paying a million for a Nevermelting Ice...it was beautiful!
also, when i started they were selling for 111, so it's doing a little better.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
there's 170 or so listed at more than 3 million.
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Buy em all! Or don't. Either way, you gave it sort of an effort
/taunt
/cackle
/flee
I'm particularly fond of the one that just sold for 4,500,011. Mainly because it was listed at 19.
edit: also, is the 10x nevermelting ice listed for xxx, 0 each still a bug, because that could account for about 150 or so I've had listed at under 10k for the past 5 hours or so.
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destabilizing prices is its own reward.
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destabilizing prices is its own reward.
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If it lists at "xxx,0" I'm pretty sure that means it failed to connect with the market server (and thus failed to get the total back as a verification.) Pulling them down and relisting them seems to work for me, but I don't pay much attention when that happens so I don't even know if I've had to do it more than once.
How many individual Nevermeltings do you think sold in those 15 minutes? I want to know if destabilizing can destroy meaningful amounts of inf, or if it's just pure blackhattery.
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I'm not sure, the 'last 5' doesn't seem to reflect reality well when the action is hot. A couple of times I'd bid 50k or whatever for a 10 stack, it would fill instantly and maybe 1 of them would show up in the last 5. A few times several 10 stacks in a row would fill instantly with no reflection in the last 5.|
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How many individual Nevermeltings do you think sold in those 15 minutes? I want to know if destabilizing can destroy meaningful amounts of inf, or if it's just pure blackhattery. |
that said, I saw 7-10 go for a million of other people's inf and a bunch more sell for 500k+. Rough estimate, 50 million destroyed at the height of the shortage?
Note to Haters:
as an illustration of the marketeer maxim PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE prices were back down around 1k shortly after I stopped probing the upper end of the supply.
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That is just so weird.
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I saw that happening, which means of course I was looking to buy some ice (or I wouldn't have noticed). As I recall I just bid 11,111 each for what I needed and took a bathroom break. When I got back I had my bids filled. Common salvage spikes are never anything to panic over.
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This is exactly the kind of thing that gives marketeers the reputation they have among the general population. Jerking around prices because you can seems pointless.
Most players who come to market and want to sell seldom are there enough to take advantage of these price spikes and when they sell after the flood hits they get nothing and have to pay through the nose, not because supply is insufficent but because someone is actually manipulating the market.
Well done on giving truth to the rumor that salvage is being controlled by ebillers. Things like this are the exact reason I don't identify myself as a marketeer or as ebill.
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This is exactly the kind of thing that gives marketeers the reputation they have among the general population. Jerking around prices because you can seems pointless.
Most players who come to market and want to sell seldom are there enough to take advantage of these price spikes and when they sell after the flood hits they get nothing and have to pay through the nose, not because supply is insufficent but because someone is actually manipulating the market. Well done on giving truth to the rumor that salvage is being controlled by ebillers. Things like this are the exact reason I don't identify myself as a marketeer or as ebill. |
Im going to guess the grueling task of hoisting yourself up on your soapbox caused this particular line to be missed....
"Note to Haters:
as an illustration of the marketeer maxim PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE prices were back down around 1k shortly after I stopped probing the upper end of the supply."--Quoth the Goat
Its okay...happens to every one of us....but tends to deflate the idea that a single individual or small consortium of people can withstand market pressures long enough to cause significant long term price shift....
I miss the Rep function cause I know a small but enthusiastic hailstorm would be coming my way....
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This is exactly the kind of thing that gives marketeers the reputation they have among the general population. Jerking around prices because you can seems pointless.
Most players who come to market and want to sell seldom are there enough to take advantage of these price spikes and when they sell after the flood hits they get nothing and have to pay through the nose, not because supply is insufficent but because someone is actually manipulating the market. Well done on giving truth to the rumor that salvage is being controlled by ebillers. Things like this are the exact reason I don't identify myself as a marketeer or as ebill. |
Funny... I purchased 1 for about 500 while Goat was doing this. Yes, during his little adventure, I was able to purchase one for 500. I did have to wait an obscene amount of time for it - I mean who wants to seriously wait 2 minutes for their salvage order to fill?! That's ridiculous imo.
My offer of 15mil to get someone started on "cornering a salvage market" and keeping the price high still stands.
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Im going to guess the grueling task of hoisting yourself up on your soapbox caused this particular line to be missed....
"Note to Haters: as an illustration of the marketeer maxim PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE prices were back down around 1k shortly after I stopped probing the upper end of the supply."--Quoth the Goat Its okay...happens to every one of us....but tends to deflate the idea that a single individual or small consortium of people can withstand market pressures long enough to cause significant long term price shift.... I miss the Rep function cause I know a small but enthusiastic hailstorm would be coming my way.... |
I read that post, it doesn't explain why anyone would bother jerking prices around just because you can. I know you guys have more inf then you will ever spend so what is the point of this?
Would the price have been so unstable if a marketeer HADN'T been playing with it for the sake of doing so?
Yes, I get it that if you just wait you can get it cheap. I certainly never pay that much for salvage like that.
Thing is, I know people who have been playing since beta and 4 or 5 years in, that practically crapped themselves when I told them that I had 300 million on one of my toons a year ago, three months into playing the game.
They work two jobs, have kids, lots of reasons that they don't want to invest time into the market to learn all the little tricks you need to know to avoid getting screwed and still actually buy something.
They aren't interested in market pvp, they just need a piece of common salvage, like a circuit board say, to craft a recipe so next week when they can play for a few hours they can just play. When they see 1158 for sale and the last sold is 57,000, an item they vendor for 250, they get a little testy.
They don't ***** about rares (i guess because they are rare and expect to be boned buying something "rare") but this kinda stuff really get's 'em worked up.
PS (BTW, it was no problem getting on my soapbox. I built one special with a step so it's no problem to complain about something I don't like or understand. If you want one, I'll build you one for 3 million dollars. They used to be cheap but someone has been buying them up to burn.)
If they really have so little play time, this market should be perfect for them. Just get them to stop trying to click the eBay / WoW BUY IT NAO button, leave the bid up overnight (or all week, if you cancel a bid before a weekend passes you weren't really trying to buy it), and relax a little. That's the ONLY secret to not getting screwed on the market: stop playing so damn fast.
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Funny... I purchased 1 for about 500 while Goat was doing this. Yes, during his little adventure, I was able to purchase one for 500. I did have to wait an obscene amount of time for it - I mean who wants to seriously wait 2 minutes for their salvage order to fill?! That's ridiculous imo.
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I don't think 15 million would be anywhere near enough to corner a market based on this example.
I am sure that many people didn't even bother bidding when they saw the prices. It would be interesting to learn how many of these transactions are primarily between marketeers.
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If they really have so little play time, this market should be perfect for them. Just get them to stop trying to click the eBay / WoW BUY IT NAO button, leave the bid up overnight (or all week, if you cancel a bid before a weekend passes you weren't really trying to buy it), and relax a little. That's the ONLY secret to not getting screwed on the market: stop playing so damn fast.
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But the supply is not really choked on something like circuit board or inert gas. It's hard to accept the notion that the things they vendor for 250 or 500 to make room in salvage should cost so much when they need to buy it. Especially true when people are discussing how they caused a price spike in the first place.
When you only have a short time to play "playing so damn fast" is the only way to get anything done.
so, there were no 'firewalls' when I hopped on tonight for my evening purge of excess stock, but there are approximately 270 Nevermelting Ice's listed for more than a million inf.
Interesting!
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