Agree/Disagree
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Posted on: 2010-09-11 06:06 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Any AT can take invis. So, no.
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Possibly, but you'll die a little bit inside every time you get a mission that is either a defeat all or contains ambushes.
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Disagree.
Stalkers can´t debuff the regeneration rate, so they can´t fight GMs for example (ok, he can fight, but he cannot win). ATs (and there only specialists) capable of that (fighting GMS) are afaik: Controllers, Masterminds, Corrupters, Mental Blasters and eventually Defenders (here I don´t know if they have enough damage ouput).
So, basically they can master more content than stalkers (access to all content have all ATs except the epic ones). So...
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Defenders can and have soloed GMs. It has been done many times with Rad and Traps. /Psi Dominators theoretically also have the ability to solo GMs.
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Originally Posted by Nuclear Girl
eventually Defenders (here I don´t know if they have enough damage ouput).
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Originally Posted by Nuclear Girl
...and eventually Defenders (here I don´t know if they have enough damage ouput).
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I disagree, because stealth + SS, invisibility, etc can be accessed by other archtypes.
Disagree, the AT is not percieved as a boon to teams compared to other ATs, and may well be left out of harder team content.
Counterpoint; Illusion/* trollers. Full stealth as a Primary power choice, buff secondary makes it team friendly.
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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Disagree. I find Stalkers the most useless PvE AT.
Try stealthing a mayhem mission sometime; see how long you last.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Disagree. I find Stalkers the most useless PvE AT.
Try stealthing a mayhem mission sometime; see how long you last. |
Disagree, all ATs can fully experience the game's content. Obviously each AT has its strengths and weaknesses.
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Originally Posted by DSorrow
Possibly, but you'll die a little bit inside every time you get a mission that is either kidnap or escort.
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Kill-alls are cake, and only 1/2 of the ambushes (ie. toon, not location)
are any trouble at all, but getting the moronic AI to follow you anywhere is
a seriously annoying Pita (I'd rather just kill the guy)
As for OP - disagree. I enjoy my Stalkers (and have several of them), but
they see/access no more content than any of my other ATs. Some of it
they're more suited for, and some of it, they simply cannot do at all.
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To the OP, I disagree.
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Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie
Counterpoint; Illusion/* trollers. Full stealth as a Primary power choice, buff secondary makes it team friendly.
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Took the words right out of my mouth. I disagree, even though Stalkers are probably my favorite villain AT.
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Originally Posted by SBeaudway
Disagree, all ATs can fully experience the game's content. Obviously each AT has its strengths and weaknesses.
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This makes no sense. I'm interested to know how you came to this conclusion.
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Originally Posted by Please_Eddie
The archetype that allows access to the largest amount of content is the stalker.
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Disagree. Also interested in learning how you came to that conclusion, as in general pve anything a stalker can do another melee AT can do just as well or better. I even have tankers who 'ghost' missions by simply running to the objective. Only 16 mobs will follow you. 
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Hm, makes a sort of sense if you're stealthing everything.
If you're only killing the boss room and skipping the majority of enemies, you'll need to do more missions to hit 50. Thus the stalker will need to do more content to get to 50 then a non-stealth character.
Is that what the OP meant? I have no idea.
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If we are talking content that is available solo, it would have to be Khelds, since they get missions only they can access. You can team with a Kheld and have some access to that content on any AT though. VEATs have the same type of thing, but I am pretty sure Khelds have more.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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That was how i took it.
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Originally Posted by Leese
Hm, makes a sort of sense if you're stealthing everything.
If you're only killing the boss room and skipping the majority of enemies, you'll need to do more missions to hit 50. Thus the stalker will need to do more content to get to 50 then a non-stealth character. Is that what the OP meant? I have no idea. |
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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Well since we've now got side-swapping and Ouroboros, I don't see any reason why any archtype can't experience all available content.
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Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
I love my Illusion/Empathy Controller. Six pets, what's not to love.
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I am assuming that the OP was talking about stealthing or something. Any AT can stealth through missions with stealth + SS being the most widely used combo. And since any AT can pick this up, then I do not see the point of the thread.
Talking pure content, definately something hero side. :P
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That would only make sense if no AT other than stalkers had access to stealth. Since every character has stealth via two pools (Super Speed and all powers in Concealment), and since literally every AT has access to stealth in either a primary or secondary power set, AND beyond that all characters have access to stealth IOs... It makes no sense at all.|
Originally Posted by Leese
Hm, makes a sort of sense if you're stealthing everything.
If you're only killing the boss room and skipping the majority of enemies, you'll need to do more missions to hit 50. Thus the stalker will need to do more content to get to 50 then a non-stealth character. Is that what the OP meant? I have no idea. |
Except for the stealth, stalkers have nothing that the other melee sets don't already have, and even with the stealth they have nothing at all that banes don't have (for instance) including executioner's strike for bonus damage from hidden, placate, etc.
So it is completely false from any possible way of looking at it.
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Originally Posted by Nuclear Girl
Disagree.
Stalkers can´t debuff the regeneration rate, so they can´t fight GMs for example (ok, he can fight, but he cannot win). ATs (and there only specialists) capable of that (fighting GMS) are afaik: Controllers, Masterminds, Corrupters, Mental Blasters and eventually Defenders (here I don´t know if they have enough damage ouput). So, basically they can master more content than stalkers (access to all content have all ATs except the epic ones). So... |
I would LOVE to see a Mastermind or Blast to take on a real Giant Monster. Hell, the only clip I've seen with a Defender is Rad/Sonic and that's with two shivans in the end.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
The archetype that allows access to the largest amount of content is the stalker.
[Edited to add "while still gaining xp."
Agree, or Disagree?
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