Agree/Disagree
By
Aura_Familia,
Posted on: 2010-09-11 06:06 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Ill/Rad.... too much powerhouse and stealth. Kill alls? sure...kidnaps? meh. Hard content? check. Heck the only thing i cant do, is be a lamepathy controller, but why be one when I can do everything 10x better? Sure I cant heal anyone per se....but Everything is stopped cold or shooting invunerable pets.....or scared and doing nothing.
Sorry, no time to heal you, why dont you pop a green that i just made from that guy I melted?
So yeah, stalkers and lamepaths are a distant last in 'good' compared to everything else. See, things in this game dont work like things in other games.....if you want a stalker or a healtard to work you are gonna have to play a completely different game.
Quote:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=200499
|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
I would LOVE to see a Mastermind or Blast to take on a real Giant Monster. Hell, the only clip I've seen with a Defender is Rad/Sonic and that's with two shivans in the end.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Silverado
|
Holy..how long did you fight it for? You used Drained Psyche to reduce regen? And you use fighting pools toggles to get 48% S/L resistance?
I've tried using my Merc/Poison on a GM with a Dual Blade Brute friend. We were bored one day and my /poison couldn't -regen fast enough. lol Both of us weren't really IOed. I know my Merc didn't have procs.
The problem with MM doing GM is that if we are not flying in air, any aoe damage can wipe them out quick.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Quote:
Actually, that would be a good option for a stealth/martial artist kind of Dominator Secondary. Gun Fu with a stealth cloak...
|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Peacebringers have Quantum Flight, which does grant stealth, but only 20ft which isn't enough to be invisible to even minions. Dominators don't even have that.
|
Quote:
15mins on average|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
Holy..how long did you fight it for?
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
You used Drained Psyche to reduce regen? And you use fighting pools toggles to get 48% S/L resistance?
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
The problem with MM doing GM is that if we are not flying in air, any aoe damage can wipe them out quick.
|
MM's are the easiest/safest AT to solo GMs with.
Quote:
Ooh your right. I always forget dominators don't have darkness yet.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Peacebringers have Quantum Flight, which does grant stealth, but only 20ft which isn't enough to be invisible to even minions. Dominators don't even have that.
|
thanks for keeping me honest!
"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
Quote:
Do you use Taunt to keep aggro on you? Have you done it with Ninja or Necro? I have to admit, Robot is the only MM I don't have over lvl 32 and I've never taken Taunt on my MM only because I don't like aggro on myself and I like to direct which target my pets attack. |
Originally Posted by Silverado
15mins on average
Yes http://sites.google.com/site/silveratus/silver MM's are the easiest/safest AT to solo GMs with. |
By the way, has anyone tried soloing with a Dominator? Psionic Assault doesn't have very good range attacks.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Quote:
Yes, I've also soloed AVs succesfully with a Dominator, Fire/Psi/Psi. GMs on the other hand, have proven rather difficult to do and I've yet to successfully solo one; they RUN AWAY too much, which makes it nearly impossible for me and my imps to sustain any significant DPS on them.
|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
By the way, has anyone tried soloing with a Dominator? Psionic Assault doesn't have very good range attacks.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
Do you use Taunt to keep aggro on you? Have you done it with Ninja or Necro? I have to admit, Robot is the only MM I don't have over lvl 32 and I've never taken Taunt on my MM only because I don't like aggro on myself and I like to direct which target my pets attack.
By the way, has anyone tried soloing with a Dominator? Psionic Assault doesn't have very good range attacks. |
Bwuhhhh?
Psionic assuault has very good attacks. Psi Scream, and the two single targets are pretty damn good.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Quote:
I see. |
Originally Posted by Silverado
Yes, I've also soloed AVs succesfully with a Dominator, Fire/Psi/Psi. GMs on the other hand, have proven rather difficult to do and I've yet to successfully solo one; they RUN AWAY too much, which makes it nearly impossible for me and my imps to sustain any significant DPS on them.
|
Does Assault Robot have an attack that has -regen? If I remember correctly? I was looking through the list of screenshots and they are all Robots.
I am a Merc user here. Maybe I can try with Merc/Trap. Without -regen from poison trap, I don't think Merc can even cut through the regen. I do have a Merc/Poison but poison doesn't give me enough protection like FFG. Have you tried with /Poison? I know poison has decent -regen debuff.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Quote:
Thats what I thought the OP meant to|
Originally Posted by Leese
Hm, makes a sort of sense if you're stealthing everything.
If you're only killing the boss room and skipping the majority of enemies, you'll need to do more missions to hit 50. Thus the stalker will need to do more content to get to 50 then a non-stealth character. Is that what the OP meant? I have no idea. |
And on top of the every character can take stealth every character can switch off XP and do missions without out leveling them
Member of GGRRR, a SG on Defiant - check out our website - GGRRR
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Bwuhhhh?
Psionic assuault has very good attacks. Psi Scream, and the two single targets are pretty damn good. |
I could be wrong but most of Psi range attacks have pretty long activation time? Subdue 1.6, Mind Blast 1.5+ and Scream has over 2s? When I said "very good", I mean Fire Blast kind of "good". I am assuming a Dom may need to Hover in air like Blaster to benefit from soft-cap range defense. If Dom only uses range attacks from Psionic (it's gotta be psi to get Drained Psyche), is it enough dps to overcome GM's regen? That's my doubt.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Good to see the love the community has for stalkers...
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Please_Eddie
The archetype that allows access to the largest amount of content is the stalker.
[Edited to add "while still gaining xp." Agree, or Disagree? |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
If we are talking content that is available solo, it would have to be Khelds, since they get missions only they can access. You can team with a Kheld and have some access to that content on any AT though. VEATs have the same type of thing, but I am pretty sure Khelds have more.
|
LOCAL MAN! The most famous hero of all. There are more newspaper stories about me than anyone else. "Local Man wins Medal of Honor." "Local Man opens Animal Shelter." "Local Man Charged with..." (Um, forget about that one.)
Guide Links: Earth/Rad Guide, Illusion/Rad Guide, Electric Control
Quote:
Yeah, the direction is good (the reason why i distingueshed between "master content" and "access to content"), the conclusion wrong |
Originally Posted by Local_Man
By far the best answer, and what I was thinking when I saw this thread. Warshades and Peacebringers (and VEATS) have access to content that no other AT can access. And the Kheld storylines are longer than the VEAT ones. Khelds can also access all the content available to other ATs.
|
I can´t create Veats or Khelds for going rogue. So, they miss pretty much content i would say. Never made the storylines of Khelds, but i can´t believe they are longer than whole Praetoria?
I can't think of a single character that is 'locked out' of content by sheer ability, honestly.
If you're talking about ease, I'd offer my personal choice: a Mind/Psi/concealment permadom. The invisibility of a stalker, the ability to completeley negate targeted ambushes, and capable of good damage whilst controller all but a GM solo.
Special abilities include the ability to turn problem enemies to your side, destroy regeneration rates, sleep/confuse foes that see through stealth without aggroing them, and control 2-3 mobs worth of enemies spawned for an 8 member team with impunity.
Note: the previous statement is highly biased.
Actually, I've found Mind/ to be the best stealther in-game, due to aforementioned no-aggro controls.
This is for the stealthy approach: for the front-on approach, scrappers and brutes can solo huge ammounts of the game without breaking a sweat, and masterminds can be strong enough that normally challenging content becomes tedious it's so easy.
The game is not hard, most of it is capable of being beaten on base difficulty by even the lowest defense/offense character. The question then becomes about handling the few percent parts of the game that under normal standards assumes multiple players. In such cases, stalker swould not be my first pick. (especially with Rikti/Knives/Nemesis/ambushes.)
Quote:
True, but I figure someday Khelds will be able to flashback to those arcs. There are a lot of Kheld missions, but I am not sure if it is more or less than Praetoria. So, currently, the other ATs may be on par or slighlty ahead of with Khelds.
|
Originally Posted by Nuclear Girl
I can´t create Veats or Khelds for going rogue. So, they miss pretty much content i would say. Never made the storylines of Khelds, but i can´t believe they are longer than whole Praetoria?
|
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
Disagree. Anything I can access on my stalker, I can access on other ATs as well.
BrandX Future Staff Fighter
The BrandX Collection
Quote:
Darkness? Dominators are Control/Assault. There is no Darkness Control or Darkness Assault. What a Darkness Control set might contain is up in the air, but Darkness Assault would more than likely be a mix of Dark Blast and Dark Melee attacks, none of which grant stealth.|
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Ooh your right. I always forget dominators don't have darkness yet.
thanks for keeping me honest! |
No, if and when Dominators get pri/sec access to stealth, it'll probably be in the form of Illusion Control (Superior Invisibility and Group Invisibility)
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
Does Assault Robot have an attack that has -regen? If I remember correctly? I was looking through the list of screenshots and they are all Robots.
|
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Quote:
Allows access sounds like other ATs have restricted access somehow. Thus I disagree.|
Originally Posted by Please_Eddie
The archetype that allows access to the largest amount of content is the stalker.
[Edited to add "while still gaining xp." Agree, or Disagree? |
In practicality tho, my stalker easily has seen the most content of all my toons. Stealthing missions allowed me to complete almost all contacts red-side without turning off xp. So I kinda agree, based on experience.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt