Alternate Supermen


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I just finnished Final Crisis and was wondering how many Superman "inspired" copies there are.

Of course there's the original Superman but then there is:

Apollo, Gladiator, Hyperion, Uberman and our own Statesman.

Who else is there?


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Originally Posted by Fista View Post
I just finnished Final Crisis and was wondering how many Superman "inspired" copies there are.

Of course there's the original Superman but then there is:

Apollo, Gladiator, Hyperion, Uberman and our own Statesman.

Who else is there?
Statesman kind of seems like a Super Man/Captain America hybrid.


 

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I always wondered why Marvel insisted on creating their own version of Superman when they had The Mighty Thor the entire time. IMO, he is Marvel's Superman.


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Originally Posted by Nightphall View Post
I always wondered why Marvel insisted on creating their own version of Superman when they had The Mighty Thor the entire time. IMO, he is Marvel's Superman.
Let's see..mere mortal turns into a God in a bolt of lightning...

While Captain Marvel is a Superman ripoff too, Thor is a little more inspired by him than by Kal-El.


 

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Originally Posted by Fista View Post
I just finnished Final Crisis and was wondering how many Superman "inspired" copies there are.

Of course there's the original Superman but then there is:

Apollo, Gladiator, Hyperion, Uberman and our own Statesman.

Who else is there?
Ok, I'll take a crack at it.

Samaritan from Astro city
Hancock
Supreme
Greatest American Hero
Black Terror from Project Superpowers
Metro Man from the upcoming movie Megamind
Sentry (in my opinion anyway)
Mr Majestic
Excelsor from No Heroics
Mighty Mouse
Underdog


 

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Also, Mr. Incredible from The Incredibles.



 

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Also, Mr. Incredible from The Incredibles.
To a certain extent, yeah.


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Also, Mr. Incredible from The Incredibles.
I'm not seeing it.


 

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I guess he isn't as Superman-y as I thought. I guess I was coming from the angle of male protaganist, a hero, superstrong... etc. But with more thought, there is a lot more to Supes than just that. Keep in mind, that I actually hate Superman. So that didn't help.



 

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The Incredibles were closer to a Fantastic Four analogue.

Who, in turn, really just represent the four classical elements:

- Mr Fantastic/Reed Richards = Elastigirl/Helen Parr = Water

- Invisible Girl/Susan Storm = Violet Parr = Air

- The Thing/Ben Grimm = Mr. Incredible/Bob Parr = Earth

- The Human Torch/Johnny Storm = Dash Parr = Fire

The weakest analogue being Dash, of course.


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Originally Posted by Nightphall View Post
I always wondered why Marvel insisted on creating their own version of Superman when they had The Mighty Thor the entire time. IMO, he is Marvel's Superman.
John Byrne in an issue of Fantastic Four turns Gladiator in to a verrry obvious Superman analog. Walt Simonson then a few years latter has Thor beat the living crap out of him. Same for Hyperion. He was part of the Squadron Supream/Sinester to be the Superman part of the JLA knock off so that Thor could plant him.


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Icon, formerly of Milestone Comics, is an obvious homage to Superman.


 

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Samaritan from Astro city
The BEST homage to Supes ever. Dang now i'm gonna have to dig out my AC TPBs.


 

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Sentry, not only the undisputed worst Superman knockoff but also the worst character in history.


 

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Alan Moore's run on Rob Liefield's Supreme was a total reboot of the character and an homage to Superman and his supporting cast and mythos.


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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace View Post
Let's see..mere mortal turns into a God in a bolt of lightning...

While Captain Marvel is a Superman ripoff too, Thor is a little more inspired by him than by Kal-El.

actually, check the history, there were two guys who originally came up with "superman", they split, and captain marvel and superman were the two offspring of that split, with captain marvel being the property of the guy with the original idea. so technically, superman is the rip off of captain marvel, though CM didn't come out till years later.


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On the meta-commentary side, Rich Vietch's The Maximortal took on both the Superman/ubermensch theme and the predatory early history of the comic book industry. There's also the Plutonian from Mark Waid's Irredeemable and Alpha One from Peter Tomasi and Keith Champagne's The Mighty.

Back in the Golden Age, Fawcett Comics's Masterman was sued into oblivion for his thematic resemblance to Superman (not to be confused with the Captain Marvel analog Masterman).


 

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actually, check the history, there were two guys who originally came up with "superman", they split, and captain marvel and superman were the two offspring of that split, with captain marvel being the property of the guy with the original idea. so technically, superman is the rip off of captain marvel, though CM didn't come out till years later.
Can I get some of what you're smoking?


 

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Yeah, both guys who made Superman stuck with it (and later scerwed out of it, but that's a story for another time). Captain Marvel was made later by two different people (C.C. Beck and Bill Parker). He was a very poplar for Fawcett Comics and at one time sold more than Superman comics (The theory is that since Captain Marvel was actually Billy Batson, a little boy, that most young readers could identify with him more than a grown up newspaper reporter). Despite the fact that Captain Marvel was very original from most other Superman knockoffs, DC comics successfully sued Fawcett comics and the comic was canceled. The rights to Shazam! comics floated around for decades. DC even made their own Captain Marvel knockoff called "Captain Thunder" for some minor stories with Superman. It wasn't until the 70's when DC comics bought the rights to the character and began to publish more comics (set in a different universe with some team ups with Superman from time to time, until the crisis brought the Marvels into mainstream continuity).


 

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I wouldn't count Valor or the Daxamites because they were once Kryptonians.


 

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Originally Posted by That_Ninja View Post
Yeah, both guys who made Superman stuck with it (and later scerwed out of it, but that's a story for another time). Captain Marvel was made later by two different people (C.C. Beck and Bill Parker). He was a very poplar for Fawcett Comics and at one time sold more than Superman comics (The theory is that since Captain Marvel was actually Billy Batson, a little boy, that most young readers could identify with him more than a grown up newspaper reporter). Despite the fact that Captain Marvel was very original from most other Superman knockoffs, DC comics successfully sued Fawcett comics and the comic was canceled. The rights to Shazam! comics floated around for decades. DC even made their own Captain Marvel knockoff called "Captain Thunder" for some minor stories with Superman. It wasn't until the 70's when DC comics bought the rights to the character and began to publish more comics (set in a different universe with some team ups with Superman from time to time, until the crisis brought the Marvels into mainstream continuity).
The problem with Captain Marvel from a legal standpoint wasn't just that he was similar to Superman, it's that some of the writers at the time were literally taking Superman stories, already printed, and turning them into Captain Marvel stories with only a few adjustments. Captain Marvel was also a much, much bigger target than any of the other "knock-offs". Much bigger than Superman, at the time. Captain Marvel's comics, produced twice a month, were selling 1.3 -million- issues each. I wouldn't be surprised if the monthly sales there, 2.6 million, were substantially more than everything Marvel or DC produces today in a given month. So DC was going after a big target which they felt was making huge profits off something they owned. DC was the underdog in their suit against Fawcett.

And to amend a little more; DC didn't actually win the suit. Court proceedings dragged on for about nine years, and by that time it seemed like the superhero market had dried up. Fawcett wasn't making nearly as much on Captain Marvel anymore, so they decided to cut their losses on the legal battle and settled out of court.

Thor isn't marvel's superman in terms of being a similar character, but definitely is in a power level sense. Stan has said that he introduced him to fill a similar role in the universe.

As for supermen: i'd offer up Prime. Has he been given yet?


 

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There's arguably the protagonist of Philip Wylie's 1930 science fiction novel, Gladiator, who possesses bulletproof skin, massive strength, and superhuman speed but who tries to conceal his powers and live among normal people - not unlike Superman in his Action Comics debut. Joe Siegel denied any influence, however.


 

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Superman is a mix of archetypal characters and ideas. He has powers beyond normal people and comes from an alien world forcing him to hide to live among us. However at his core the character represents the "invulnerable" American way of life, and portrays a moral ideal to strive towards. His flight is a way to literally have that ideal be just out of reach.

Those qualities are the part of the character that is most often omitted when a similar character is created. The superficial similarities lack the underlying philosophical and moral impact of Superman and instead go for a more comic book sense of uber powerful being.

Other copies take bits of the story and go a different way with it, such as Invincible and having the 'kryptonians' actually be an invading race.


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Hyperion from the Squadron Supreme/Sinister universe in Marvel.