Going Rogue Morality System - In plain English.
What are the Alignment Powers? Each time you shift morality or reinforce your morality and keep the same alignment for 7 days, you gain a special power. You can only have one of these powers at a time, and lose the previous one each time you shift morality: |
I have a Hero that I just did a heroic morality mission for and got Countdown to Justice. So does that mean in 7 days, I will get the Call to Justice power?
If so, what happens if before the 7 day wait is up, I do another Hero morality mission with this hero character? Do I lose the chance to get Call to Justice, and get a new Aligment power? Does going hero to hero, count as shifting morality as far as allignment powers go?
Lastly, Once I wait the 7 days and have the actual allignment power I can use, is it permanent? Or is it a temporary power that I will only be able to have for a certain amount of time?
I have a Hero that I just did a heroic morality mission for and got Countdown to Justice. So does that mean in 7 days, I will get the Call to Justice power?
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If so, what happens if before the 7 day wait is up, I do another Hero morality mission with this hero character? Do I lose the chance to get Call to Justice, and get a new Aligment power? Does going hero to hero, count as shifting morality as far as allignment powers go?
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It isn't permanent.
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Ok thanks so much! One of those questions I wouldn't have had to ask if I had looked at the Allignment Power section of the guide better...Didn't relize each of the 4 powers was granted for completing its own specific type of morality mission. (Call to Justice for completing Hero, Fear Incarnate for completing Vigilante..etc.) Was under the impression you would get any one of those 4 powers at random after completing any type of morality mission.
Thanks again!
Something that I think should be in the guide is that it's possible to change sides before hitting level 20.
I know that I personally saw it repeated over and over that you have to be level 20 to chance sides, but it turns out that's not the case. You have to be over 20 to get the missions, but even before then, it turns out you can change sides - you just have to be grouped with people who can get and do the missions. (Also, since you don't have the tip UI, you can't tell how far you are along.)
My level 18 corrupter is a Rogue now
Something that I think should be in the guide is that it's possible to change sides before hitting level 20.
I know that I personally saw it repeated over and over that you have to be level 20 to chance sides, but it turns out that's not the case. You have to be over 20 to get the missions, but even before then, it turns out you can change sides - you just have to be grouped with people who can get and do the missions. (Also, since you don't have the tip UI, you can't tell how far you are along.) My level 18 corrupter is a Rogue now |
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OK, I have a question. I've moved two Heroes to Vigilante status. Prior to shifting alignment, every Tip I received offered me the option to run it as Hero or Vigilante, as expected. Now that I have moved those two heroes to the Rogue Isles, planning on shifting them to Villain now, I am finding that Tips only offer me ONE morality option. Some are Villain and some are Vigilante, with no choice between the two.
Is that working as intended? I was under the impression that Tips always offered two options.
OK, I have a question. I've moved two Heroes to Vigilante status. Prior to shifting alignment, every Tip I received offered me the option to run it as Hero or Vigilante, as expected. Now that I have moved those two heroes to the Rogue Isles, planning on shifting them to Villain now, I am finding that Tips only offer me ONE morality option. Some are Villain and some are Vigilante, with no choice between the two.
Is that working as intended? I was under the impression that Tips always offered two options. |
OK, I have a question. I've moved two Heroes to Vigilante status. Prior to shifting alignment, every Tip I received offered me the option to run it as Hero or Vigilante, as expected. Now that I have moved those two heroes to the Rogue Isles, planning on shifting them to Villain now, I am finding that Tips only offer me ONE morality option. Some are Villain and some are Vigilante, with no choice between the two.
Is that working as intended? I was under the impression that Tips always offered two options. |
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So, basically, I just have to dismiss all these Vigilante only Tips I keep getting when I just want to finish shifting alignment to Villain, then? That's massively annoying and a serious waste of time.
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I said:
you can't get good-vigilante tips (only missions moving you to villain status) in the Isles |
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They don't expire. The 20 hour timer prevents you form getting MORE fame points once the 5 boxes are filled. There is a separate morality meter that tracks your progress towards changing alignment. The only purpose of the 20 hour timer is to slow down the rate at which someone can change alignment.
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Morality missions ignore the 20 hour Fame Point/Counting tip timer.
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I'm gonna try it again, after clearing the progress. This is really irksome since the mission features a bunch of orange Whisper Assassins that mop the floor with my Corruptor.
Edit: You say the morality missions were frequently bugged/ caused crashing in Beta? Or was this just the tip missions in general? I haven't come across a bug yet, but I'm wondering if there were any evident solutions other than repeating mission after resetting it.
Dang, this is what I came here to find out. Mine's bugged then - I have my fame points used for today but I'm on a going rogue Morality Mission that at the end says (when I click on the relative object) "You can't complete this objective yet." I bring the girl I'm escorting and nada.
I'm gonna try it again, after clearing the progress. This is really irksome since the mission features a bunch of orange Whisper Assassins that mop the floor with my Corruptor. |
Edit: You say the morality missions were frequently bugged/ caused crashing in Beta? Or was this just the tip missions in general? I haven't come across a bug yet, but I'm wondering if there were any evident solutions other than repeating mission after resetting it.
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Great mini Guide! Wish I would have found this earlier.
Just wanted to add another very good way to back and forth between hero <--> vill zones:
Midnighters Club. Don't go to Crim just run straight through....
And a question: To get the Villain Epics on a toon that was originally a Hero do I need to go full villain so I can get the mish from the Arbiter that introduces you to Ghost Widow, Scirocco etc... then do their Arc to unlock the epics?
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The alignment switch I was talking about was only one step on the alignment wheel. Fame points start decaying as soon as you get them, the hint text is non-existent for the first hour, for 1 hour to 19 hours the hint text tells you that you have been famous for that deed from the time you've completed it, after 19 hours the hint text counts down the remaining hour. All the time the Fame Point icon is shrinking, on its journey into nothingness.
Here is an example: Keep in mind that you can have either 5-Fame Points in tips or 3 tips at any one time, whichever is less. Also note that while I am calling the fame points 1-20, it is only for descriptive purposes as you can only have 5 Fame Points at a time.
To take it to the next alignment step (to villain) will require about 40 more hours. Head to the Rogue Isles for tips.
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I agree, an excellent guide, Snow Globe!
I'm feeling either tired or n00b-ish, so here's my question:
My Hero is now a Vigilante, and I'm running around in CoV. I find that I can only do newspaper missions and have no contacts. So I would have to become a Villain to get new contacts, correct?
Just a side note on Going Rogue Beta, which kinda sucked was after picking to be a Hero or Villain, that once I left Praetoria and went to Paragon, that I couldn't go back, even though I started my toon in Rogue, but before I was 20, I could go to Pocket D from the Studio club and vice versa. I just thought it odd of getting the message of not being able to switching dimension when my Rogue toon came from there, again hitting the 20 mark and switching to Paragon etc. I was hoping for more major switching between the 3 main zones/cities or is that a plan down the road in newer expansions??
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One question that I think I know the answer to but am not 100% sure about:
If we enter the opposite zone (vigilante enters RI), our current missions drop. It indicates that we can get them back later if we switch back...is that correct? If I take a hero to villian and come back, I'll be able to get that mission back from the contact?
One question that I think I know the answer to but am not 100% sure about:
If we enter the opposite zone (vigilante enters RI), our current missions drop. It indicates that we can get them back later if we switch back...is that correct? If I take a hero to villian and come back, I'll be able to get that mission back from the contact? |
The other missions you have to call or go back to the contact to get the mission again.
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I think I have the hang of most of the system now. There’s one more question I’d like to ask about Morality missions.
I know they ignore the Fame timer. I know they drop as your next Tip, if you have 10/10 in the chosen alignment. However, are they limited by the “3 Tips Max” rule though?
Real Example = My Rogue is now 10/10 Hero Alignment bar. Fame is irrelevant for Morality Missions, I know. However, due to a huge map, just before he got 10/10 on someone ELSE’S Tip, he EXIT-ed with 3 Tips, before getting that 10th Hero Alignment shift.
It’s been a while, and, despite lots of fighting, no morality mission (yet). Now, I’ve had dry patches when it comes to Tip Drops, so, it could just be a bad RNG streak. But, just so I’m not wasting my time…
Will I get a Morality mission as my next Tip drop despite that I’m at 3 Tips? Or, am I blocked against Morality missions until I dismiss one of the 3 Tips (to make room)?
I hope the above made sense.
Also, it made more sense for Catwoman (or a character like Catwoman) to make the circle to Batman than go all the way to Superman.
Azreal was the second Batman, in the storyline where Bane broke Bruce Wayne's back. He was a much more violent and cruel version of Batman, to the point where even Bruce felt he had stepped over the line. After Bruce reclaimed his role, Azreal fell even further, becoming a very Punisher-like figure.
Batman is probably more the representative of the kind of hero that walks the line between the Hero and the Vigilante, neither one nor the other, but constantly shifting between the two. He would never step over the line, but he's not as "pure" as, say, Superman.