Knockback makes things epic
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Anti_Proton,
Posted on: 2010-06-22 16:54 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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You are... nutty. Taking the KB out of powers like Shatter and Crowd Control was a good idea, though it did take out a little of the visceral feel. It did make the War Mace set work better, though. Your suggested changes would remove the visceral feel of those powers, and not help the sets, either. You can pry the KB in those powers from my cold, dead hands.|
Originally Posted by Atheism
I agree. The knockback in most of Energy Blast's attacks, Shockwave, Gale, Crane Kick, etc. should all be changed to knockdown.
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Originally Posted by Cynical_Gamer
Knockback would be epic if it caused extra damage and environmental destruction.
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Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
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If you have no knockback protection you go flying, and I'm sure it's epic, and you get up and you're all "oh, it's on now!"|
Originally Posted by Calaxprimal
That's exactly what makes things epic... I mean it requires a little imagination but basically you see yourself fly half way across town and impact in a building like you're in the blasted matrix
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If you do have knockback protection, the repel effect still sends you sliding halfway across the map. On your feet. It's not epic at all.
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Originally Posted by Night-Hawk07
Also, even though Eagle Elaw doesn't cause KB, it has to be the most epic attack I've seen so far.
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Also epic: Ragnarok Chance of Knockdown proc in Full Auto.
Not as epic but hilarious: Ragnarok Chance of Knockdown proc in Caltrops.
Totally epic: Trip mine.
Not so epic: Enemies getting knocked back to get stuck in the walls on cave maps.
Epic: Using Tornado to get them out. Any problem caused by knockback can be solved by more knockback.
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Or would help me and along with other players to get rid of the annoyance.
| Your suggested changes would remove the visceral feel of those powers, and not help the sets, either. You can pry the KB in those powers from my cold, dead hands. |
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Awesome. |
Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Any problem caused by knockback can be solved by more knockback.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Same same here only from the Energy Blaster perspective. I don't want them to be on their back here, I want them on their back over there. If I want them on their back here, I'll just get above them first and smash them to the floor.
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rian_frostdrake won't let go: crane kick? this is "from my cold, dead hands" territory. knockown has moves thst it makes sense for, crane kick makes sense to knock back, i have to vigorously disagree with your entire list,really. |
Dec out.
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Eva Destruction gives good proc: Not as epic but hilarious: Ragnarok Chance of Knockdown proc in Caltrops. Totally epic: Trip mine. |
**makes note for later**
Dec out.
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The annoyance is the players that don't know how to use KB "properly" (word subject to varying definitions; offer void in South Carolina and Iowa |
Atheism blames the little button: Or would help me and along with other players to get rid of the annoyance. |
), not the KB itself.
Dec out.
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The rep game just keeps getting funnier. |
Originally Posted by Westley
This made me LOL:
 And I disapprove.Thanks anonymous repper, that was cute.  |
N/A I greatly disapprove. Haters gonna hate. Further disapproval. announcing your reps is a dick move 
I love KB though! +Rep to counter that troll bite ya got there - Alph
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... So epic, that a few months back I deleted an Energy Corr who was... level 38, I think. Or 39... I got tired of not being able to use her primary on teams, without stopping to triangulate exactly where her target would end up in relation to whatever melee'er was holding the aggro. I'll miss her; but I won't miss this headache. |
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Knockback really does make things epic, it is true!
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KB is epic. So epic, that the first thing I do for many characters is have a higher-level sibling craft them a -KB IO. Nothing is more fun for me than a sewer full of Council spamming KB, at level 10 or whatever! Well, the only thing more fun is a Storm person running amok without a care in the world as to what it is their powers actually DO, but its a near thing.
Makes me thankful for IOs, yes it does.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
... So epic, that a few months back I deleted an Energy Corr who was... level 38, I think. Or 39... I got tired of not being able to use her primary on teams, without stopping to triangulate exactly where her target would end up in relation to whatever melee'er was holding the aggro. I'll miss her; but I won't miss this headache.
KB is epic. So epic, that the first thing I do for many characters is have a higher-level sibling craft them a -KB IO. Nothing is more fun for me than a sewer full of Council spamming KB, at level 10 or whatever! Well, the only thing more fun is a Storm person running amok without a care in the world as to what it is their powers actually DO, but its a near thing. Makes me thankful for IOs, yes it does. |
Well, "Epic" has many forms! Not always positive!
Hehe... But, look at it this way... Knockback is so Epic that it made you delete your toon!
Epic makes some happy and makes others cry! That's why it is epic!
Knockback... It made me laugh, it made me cry... it's epic!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Hahaha... As opposed to leaving an anonymous negative message |
Originally Posted by Westley
The rep game just keeps getting funnier.
announcing your reps is a dick move |
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
The best way to take knockback up a notch to 11 in the awesomemeter. Add some knockup. SS tank/brute tee's up the mob. Energy blaster knocks em out of the park.
Also the best pvp fun (before all your silly IO's!) was king of the hill in arenas, on the Steel Canyon statues head. Killing (read: arresting) other players with a KB attack to send them falling to the street.
Some people have powers to knock you down (Witches with wind powers), some people have powers to not be knocked down (IOs).
I love the Spider-man reaction idea, though. It would be nice if Acrobatics DID something, instead of simply negating the KB.
My pet peeve is people who refuse to acknowledge it when I tell them my character has unlimited power. If I rp attack them they are of course disintegrated beyond the ability of any hospital or magic to restore. Yet despite this they refuse to delete their characters and still keep playing them as if nothing happened. ~Mandu, 07-16-2010
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Bad players can make things annoying no matter what their powers. They can aggro extra groups, or do whatever to tick you off. Removing KB from powers that it makes sense in is not going to help your problem.|
Originally Posted by Atheism
Or would help me and along with other players to get rid of the annoyance.
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I would agree that KB could be implemented a little better in game. It could cause damage, as I suggested earlier, and be more dynamic. It would also make more sense if fewer mobs did it (just bosses, monsters, etc. doing it... or something). It's pretty good in game and I love it, but there is room for improvement.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
I love knocking back my enemies. It makes me feel powerful! I especially love making my Knockback power(s) the last blow I deliver. It makes for good ragdoll fun!
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TO THE END!Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!
Knockback haters are fun to toy with. It can be hard to resist.
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I think this is the core of the problem for me: that especially in the lower level game, it is so very widespread. Council Grenade people? Check. Family gunners? Check. Force Mages? Check. Hellion [or is it Skull? Or both?] Buckshot people? Check. Its just all over the place.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
[...] It would also make more sense if fewer mobs did it (just bosses, monsters, etc. doing it... or something). It's pretty good in game and I love it, but there is room for improvement.
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If it were only bosses, or only giant monsters or or both, it would be much more bearable but it feels like every 3rd NPC has it. This is much less of an issue now that we can mail stuff to ourselves - and prior to that, I was just getting a friend to mule the IO over for me, so it wasn't insurmountable even then - but the amount that is in there now just feels spammy.
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| Electric: Well, "Epic" has many forms! Not always positive! |
Mileage will vary.
Most /fire Tanks and Scraps suffer from KB Death. Not insurmountable, but a real annoyance when you can't get off a shot because your getting ping-ponged all over the place.
"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
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Well, at least it makes more sense on Lieutenants, rather than minions. Council can get annoying if you don't have KB protection as their marksmen have kb, and their lieutenants have their grenades. If it was just the lieutenants, it wouldn't be so problematic.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
I think this is the core of the problem for me: that especially in the lower level game, it is so very widespread. Council Grenade people? Check. Family gunners? Check. Force Mages? Check. Hellion [or is it Skull? Or both?] Buckshot people? Check. Its just all over the place.
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It's tough, too, as it usually makes sense. Hellion and Skull lieutenants with shotguns kind of make sense for knocking you down, so it's hard to say that should be removed (and at least they have short range... you can immobilize them and they can't fire back at you at all, heh). But at least they're not as prevalent as Council's KB.
I don't even notice Force Mages. I'd rather face them than the other types of mezzers and debuffs CoT get. And I'd say that it makes more sense for them to have it, at least.
Heh, I bet mobs are more cheesed about all the kb we have than the other way around. Mobs in the Hollows hardly got a shot off when fighting my En/En blaster the other day, he was juggling them about so much.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
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Thats great.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Not as epic but hilarious: Ragnarok Chance of Knockdown proc in Caltrops. |
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
You know what I don't like though? AoEs with a chance of knockback. It's not 100% so the mob scatters, instead of all going flying into nice convenient nearby wall.
You know what I DO like? Shockwave. Shockwave is so much fun I spam it all the time, when I'm solo and there's nobody around to annoy, even though I'm Willpower and would in some cases be better off not doing that.
Eva Destruction AR/Fire/Munitions Blaster
Darkfire Avenger DM/SD/Body Scrapper
Arc ID#161629 Freaks, Geeks, and Men in Black
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I was wondering what that was >.<|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Hahaha... As opposed to leaving an anonymous negative message
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And I do admit, when you're standing there staring down a blue mook and all of a sudden you're flying through the air, yeah, it's pretty annoying, but that still doesn't beat what made me start this thread in the first place with an AV turning and swatting me off a roof so I looked like Superman from "Returns" after he tossed away the "island" falling to the ground only to get back up, dust myself off and fly back up for more.
By the catapillars hooka you WILL smile!
I love KB. My first 50 is an Energy/Energy blaster. I love making the bad guys fly all over the place, it is one of the most super feeling things in the game IMHO.
I actually would love it if CoH did KB like Champions Online. That was one of the few things that CO did really well IMHO. My Might character (Super Strength is the CoH equivalent) could KB enemies about 50 or 60 feet back, and about the same distance up in the air...and they would take damage when they landed. One of my favorite things to do was get a bad guy down to about 1/4 health, the do a big KB attack and they would be defeated by the falling damage. Now that was epic!