Questions Regarding PuG-ing Experiences
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Posted on: 2010-06-10 17:41 in Player Questions
1. MY SG is dead and while I have people on my firends list I very rarely team with them so basically 100% of the time.
2. See above
3. Most of the time, probably over 75%
4. Quite rarely. People who do completly stupid things seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
5. Almost never but that's more a case of I'm anti-social and rarely make friends in games.
6. Very rarely, I've encountered a few who I felt acted like jerks but they are definetly the exception not the rule.
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1) Except for soloing, which I don't do that often anymore, I only play with PUGs. [100%]|
Originally Posted by Psychoti
In an average gaming week:
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends? 2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs? 3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so? 4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)? 5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them? 6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG? |
2) I don't make an effort to get chummy with anyone in game. In fact, if the team holds together for more than a couple of hours (other than a TF/SF), I get antsy and will probably take a break. There are a few people I've made a good impression with, so they might ask me to join a TF/SF or whatnot. But generally, I don't go out of my way to only play with a set group of people. [n/a or 0%]
3) Well, this varies the levels of the players. < 35, I'll see more people who don't play with the same focused efficiency that I would. [30%]
4) It depends. If they have less than a year of Vet badges, I'll ask if they want advice. If I don't feel like going into lecture mode, I'll make some off tangent remarks in hopes that they'll pick up the subtle hints and maybe make the connections for a self revelation. Still, if the character is already 40+, they probably aren't interested in learning. [25%]
5) I haven't maintained a Friends list since I started playing multiple alts and especially once I set up colonies at other servers. The most I do nowadays is star someone in Player Notes who I felt played well, particularly on difficult or long TFs like the Shadow Shards'. I'll also note the dud players too, of course. [5%]
6) I haven't met up with a lot real jerks. Perhaps only half a dozen have crossed the threshold of my usual blase attitude and had seriously pissed me off in the past 6 years. [<1%]
Teams are the number one killer of soloists.
I run and play in PuGs 100% of the time for life does not allow me the casual freedom to play my beloved CoH whenever I like.
So, since I sneak or squeeze play time whenever I can, I play with PuGs...usually as the team leader.
I do not like soloing.
I really enjoy teaming and rarely run across any real idiots.
I've been a PuGster for six years now...since July 2004.
It's a MMO game, not a MSO game.
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Every team I lead is a PUG other than the one spot my spouse occupies. The idea that players are somehow better because they are in my SG or in a common global channel is kind of ridiculous. I take anyone who wants to come and if they make the team a miserable experience, so be it, I onestar and don't invite again.
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All the time, likely every night that I play. Folks get busy and my spouse has long hours. Like I said above, my SG mates and global channel co-members are still PUG members. They're no different than someone I get from /search and vary at least as much in skill as what most people would call PUG members.|
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Not directed at the OP but this game would go a lot smoother if people would try to keep in mind that on any PUG team everyone is a PUG member, not just the people who aren't in their SG or a common global channel. When I join a team that is half ABC Supergroup and half random folks, everyone on it is a PUG to me and the other random folks. Acting like this is an official ABC Supergroup event and the rest are lucky to be there makes things awkward at best, and doubly so when it's the ABC Supergroup members who are lowering the mean performance of the team. I see this all the time, which serves to remind me that membership in any social group doesn't convey any sort of superiority.
1) Due to real-life time constraints (including working a late shift), I PuG exclusively. 100%. I have no long-term Friends in-game, and no commitments to any SG (tho I do join whatever's available to a new creation solely for crafting/TPing convenience).
2) No actual Friends in-game, so 0%.
3) "What needs to be done" is ambiguous. My leadship style (I form & lead PuGs pretty much exclusively, only RARELY will I join someone else's PuG)... My leadership style is; if the player's not being abusive or an obvious leech, and bad playing isn't causing undue Team Wipes, just let 'er roll. I can count the number of times I've needed to order my team around (outside the habitual "Follow the Tank please") on one hand. Structure is good...being Bossy is bad.
4) See above.
5) I've found adding Friends, even Global Friends, pretty useless, due to my extremely casual play schedule. By the time I log in again, the Hero that I Friended because they were playing so well, is now 21 levels higher than mine.
6) In 5 years of play, I can count the true jerks on one hand. Were I a Registered Twit-Magnet like the OP, however...who can say?
In summary, I'd surmise that forming one's own PuG, rather than joining someone else's, drastically cuts down on the chances of encountering jerks. With a polite, literate Invite bind, I more often than not, get polite, literate PuGs.
If karma's a boomerang, Psychoti, how many kittens have you drowned this week? 'Cause otherwise you seem like a pretty swell guy! 
I rarely join pick up groups anymore ...
sometimes friends of friends will join a group in progress.
They almost always know what to do ... only twice have I laced up the steel-toed boot and threatened to use it.
I don't ever tell them what to do, but I have told a couple what NOT to do, if I'm the leader.
Not that I'm the best player ... but I do play hard and appreciate those who do the same. I lost all the rest of a PuG ITF team at the computer ... they fought hard, but I couldn't hold all the aggro on my brute... no one complained, everyone did their best. I added a couple of global friends after that.
Haven't teamed with complete idiots since the AE farming days ... if there are idiots, it's 1 mish and out for me.
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4. Quite rarely. People who do completly stupid things seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
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5. Almost never but that's more a case of I'm anti-social and rarely make friends in games.
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In an average gaming week:
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends?
Every time, literally. I don't have a SG and don't make attachments to other players, so puggery is my only option, though one I thoroughly enjoy.
2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs?
As implied by #1, never.
3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so?
Almost always, although there are exceptions. In most cases, everyone pretty much naturally falls into their role, or comfort zone. I've noticed that, although I'm almost always the team leader, I don't so much "lead" as "point the other seven players in the rough direction of the enemy and let everyone sort it out their way."
4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)?
From time to time, usually with new players who still don't have a solid grasp on their powers or game mechanics. A little encouragement in the right direction tends to go a long way.
5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them?
Never, and I always decline global invites as well. I don't habitually remember people outside of the current group {and often not even then}, and the only people who end up sticking in my mind {even temporarily} are those with interesting names or RP personalities.
6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG?
Rarely, but it happens. I've kicked my share, too, after a friendly and not-so-friendly warning or two.
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1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends?
Rarely - Now-a-days I prefer to play with my friends as we can have a laugh and I am actually quite shy. I occasionally PUG but generally that is for TF/SFs that are advertised on server event channel.
2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs?
If Im a leader and I know no one else from SG is coming then I will fill a spot if I get a tell asking to join. I will actively search for people if filling gaps for a TF. I know other people from my SG will happily fill gaps for a general team and will search them out.
3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so?
Most the time - sometimes I will "hold on I'll pull" or "watch for the mob around the corner" or "do we want to ghost" but that is stuff you would need to say on any team to be honest.
4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)?
Virtually never - see above
5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them?
Rarely and the star system
6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG?
Not so much complete jerks although there are people that do make some ignorant or homophobic comments. I've been on some PUGs where the team just doesn't gel for whatever reason. I was on a team once where an argument broke out between the leader and another member regarding the efficiency of herding. This went on for 5-10mins while everyone was just stood around waiting so I made my excuses and left (as did other people!).
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In an average week I solo most of the time due to my strange schedule (I play in the early afternoon when most people are still at work, and overseas people are either just waking up or just going to bed) |
Originally Posted by Psychoti
In an average gaming week:
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends? 2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs? 3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so? 4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)? 5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them? 6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG? |
When I do team I generally duo with my wife, or fill the team from global friends and global channels. I almost never PuG beyond level 10 or so.
So the answer to 1-6 for me personally is "Almost never" for all of them.
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It's a MMO game, not a MSO game.
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Originally Posted by Psychoti
In an average gaming week:
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends? 2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs? 3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so? 4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)? 5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them? 6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG? |
2) Probably 60% of the time.
3) The bare necessities? Most of the time. What would be best for efficiency? Rarely.
4) Never. I let the group leader do that. If I'm group leader, it's not a PuG so I'd just say 'Stop screwin' around already'.
5) Happens now and then. Maybe once a month or so.
6) About 1 in 5 groups has a Spongebob Loserpants.
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I think it's very important to note that I form PuGs, not join them.|
Originally Posted by Psychoti
In an average gaming week:
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends? 2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs? 3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so? 4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)? 5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them? 6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG? |
1) First thing I do when I log in is usually start a TF. I broadcast in the channel and take the first seven people interested.
2) I don't usually bother asking friends first because they all listen to the channel anyway, but I'd say I end up with usually 2 or 3 friends or at least people I've played with before on the TF most of the time.
3) Pretty much most of the time. Unless it's a Master's run, I don't really even pay attention to how people play.
4) Occasionally I run into an empath that puts fort on my tank instead of the blasters or some such like that, but as long as enemies are dying I don't bother to mention anything.
5) This happens a lot. The chatty fun to be around people get added, regardless of how they played.
6) I've only teamed with each jerk once. Player notes are a godsend. I still don't find that it happens all that often.
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Originally Posted by Psychoti
In an average gaming week:
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends? 2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs? 3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so? 4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)? 5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them? 6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG? |
1. I play with organized teams twice to three times a week only. I'd say I join around 10 pugs per week.
2. An organized team might pick up a spare once the TF is finished. We did it this Monday. Five Fire/Rad trollers and we let a scapper in.
3. About 1/4 we get a team that everyone knows how to play. Half the time, one or two are mostly useless. The other fourth the leader is useless and we all need a break, are going to buy and sell for a while, need to go to bed, etc, anything to get off the team politely.
4. I'll say "We're a little kb heavy today." But I'll never tell anybody what to do. Well, I might send a tell like, "you being the fast tank is getting people killed."
5. Never.
6. Maybe once a month. I consider it offbeat Kaufmanesque entertainment. But, I can only stand it so long.
Now to read what everyone else has experienced. This is on Freedom or Virtue btw.
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1) 99.5% of the time. the other 0.75% of the time is when I manage to convince my friend to log into the account he continues to pay for.|
Originally Posted by Psychoti
In an average gaming week:
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends? 2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs? 3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so? 4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)? 5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them? 6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG? |
2) That would be the .25% overlap you may have noticed in #1.
3) hmm... I'd say about 97% of the time they do well enough without my feeling the need to interject.
4) 3% of the time, and most of that is polite requests to watch the knock-back (if possible), and TF related things (most notably directing the chain of hunts in Numina's, And that's mostly because I have paragon wiki open on my second screen.
5) Not often... My global list is not full, but it's filled with accounts that either don't play at the same time/server as me, or haven't logged in in over a year. Mostly use the star rating system to keep track of exceptional players (Exceptionally good OR bad)
6) not often... maybe twice a year, if that?
It should, however, be noted that the majority of my teams are found through my server's global channel, Triumph Watch, and my answers reflect current trends. Most of the regulars on there know what they're doing. Crazy and pantsless, yes, but know their stuff. Around the time when the AE was new, my numbers might have shown a different story (I'll always remember the scrapper that only took 2 powers from his secondary and loaded up on every available power in the travel pools, who blamed the rest of the team for his continued faceplants.)
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I'm not sure it is the "worst luck" so much as amazing. The stories you post in that "Rude Tells" thread are simply amazing -- and your smart aleck responses are pretty good, too.|
Originally Posted by Psychoti
People tell me I have the worst luck with PuGs. Sometimes it feels like that, but I also get pretty lucky meeting new people.
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In an average gaming week: 1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends? 2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs? 3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so? 4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)? 5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them? 6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG? |
2. For missions, rarely. For TFs, only if we need more people. But as I said above, lately I have been doing more PUGs.
3. On my main server, Guardian, the community is pretty smallish and I know or know of most of the regular players. Even if I PUG, it will often be with someone I know to some degree. And those people generally know their roles. However, I have lately been venturing to other servers some, and I PUG a lot more on those servers. I have run into more people who are new or otherwise not very knowledgable.
4. I tend to give more strategy suggestions/instructions on PUGs, not necessarily addressed to any one person. Only when I see something really wrong do I single someone out and make a suggestion in a Tell. I won't do it in team chat unless others are already making comments. And I'm always polite about it. Maybe once a year I get somebody who gets offended. Maybe I should be more of a ********.
5. Maybe one out of 8 PUG folks will I add someone to friends. Except on Guardian, where I know or know of a lot of people. If I team with them more than once and really liked them, I add them to Global. However, my kids sometimes use my accounts, and have added some strange people to my Global Friends at times.
6. It is pretty rare. I can't think of one in the last 6 months. But then, I rarely spend much time on Freedom or Virtue. I have one character (an Earth/Storm) at 42 and a few lowbies on Freedom. My kids play on Virtue, so I only have a couple of low level characters there. However, last night I took my Level 12 Ill/Rad on Virtue (which I rolled up 4 years ago) and decided to do both halves of the new Positron on PUGs. I gathered up the teams, then passed the leadership to a higher level teammate. Both teams were moderate in terms of competance, but everyone was nice. There was a nice mix of experienced players and newbs. I answered a lot of questions from the newbs, but did not need to tell them how to play. Got up to level 17.
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1. PuG whenever i feel like, so maybe 50-50
2. if i am grouping with friends, i would fill the team with other friends, usually i dont fill PuG teams unless someone is asking for team
3. if im not running a sf/tf, then i dont really care how the team is performing, as most of my toons are built and able to solo large spawn sizes
4. see #3, will only give pointers if team is wiping a lot or when facing AVs
5. ill add someone if they are fun to play with and a good player, but most of the time i wont add them, if my global list is full ill just remove someone that has been inactive for extremely long time (i wish there was easier way to tell how long someone on your global has been offline)
6. rarely, if i do manage to team with jerks, then ill either not buff, heal, ect for that person, or ill make up excuse to quit team
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They're not so much "better" as they are a "known factor".
Dec out.
I don't PUG, so there's that. Occasionally someone else will bring along a friend, but that still doesn't count as pugging. The very rare times someone else requests to bring PUG folk along, it's generally been OK, since most of the time they're from global channels and global channels tend to have a lower ratio of dumb to smart players.
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I would like to clarify that my question in #4 isn't really telling people how to spec or anything along those lines.
For instance, on a particular SF one of the MMs on the team was letting his pets run wild and it was not helping the team one bit. Another had the habit of setting his pets into doorways so nobody could get by. He would do this before our melee characters (the majority of the team) could get to grips with the enemy, making it both harder and frustrating. The first we just asked to keep his pets on defensive and pick selectively pick targets since his pets were pulling adjacent mobs on a regular basis. The second we just asked to send his pets in after our melee train ran through the doors. Both MMs were fine with this, with the second saying he was just so used to playing solo.
In an average gaming week:
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends?
Almost exclusively.
2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs?
It happens rarely. When my wife and I play, we normally duo... but, I'd say maybe 10% of the time, we'll add others.
3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so?
I reserve my judgement of "what needs to be done" on my own character. Everyone can be the judge of their own.
4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)?
I never tell someone else how to play their character. Exception is if it's a newer player who asks. Everyone plays differently, and you've got to learn to adapt to a playstyle. I wouldn't want someone telling me how to play my character... who am I to do it to someone else?
5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them?
Not often. I don't think I have ever added anyone to my global... someone else normally initiates. For server-friends, I have about 10, on all characters. I do look at global names for my teammates, and tend to remember who I enjoyed teaming with, and who I didn't.
6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG?
In over two years of playing, there are only a few instances. Don't get me wrong, I have played with a lot of terrible players, but few jerks.
Edit: Misread Question 3.
Thank you, Champion.
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends?
The only time I seek out PuGs is for zone events (Rikti invasion, etc.). If someone invites me to a PuG, and I'm not already in the middle of something, I'll usually accept.
2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs?
Never, if I'm leading. I'd rather just go ahead and run with a duo or trio than waste time looking for more.
3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so?
4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)?
I don't generally tell people what to do. If things get unbearable (i.e., one team wipe after another), I'll just leave.
5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them?
I usually only add someone if I know them from outside the game.
6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG?
I don't think I've ever run into someone who's behavior was so obnoxious that I couldn't just laugh it off.
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People tell me I have the worst luck with PuGs. Sometimes it feels like that, but I also get pretty lucky meeting new people. So here's a few questions that I'd like to ask the rest of you.
In an average gaming week:
1) How often do you PuG instead of grouping within your SG or friends?
2) How often do you group with friends and fill the rest of the group with PuGs?
3) How often do your PuG members do what you feel needs to be done without being told to do so?
4) How often do you find yourself telling PuG members what you feel they should be doing (for the good of the current team/session)?
5) How often do you find yourself adding PuG members to your friends/global friends, and if those lists are full, using other methods of remembering them?
6) How often do you group with complete jerks in a PuG?
As for me:
1) Very, very rarely. Maybe once in a hundred teams.
2) Any time we need to run a Strike Force or Task Force, so virtually daily, sometimes several times daily.
3) A bit more than half the time, maybe 2/3 of the time.
4) Maybe 1/4 of the time. That remaining little little sliver left over is me just hoping they figure it out or we make it through it because they're just so darned nice.
5) Not too often because I nearly always forget to.
6) Usually one person out of any given PuG is a complete jerk to me or someone else in the team.