Fortune go my wife killed
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Arcanaville,
Posted on: 2010-06-08 09:26 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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This is patently false. I honestly have no clue where you got this crazy idea from, but it's wrong, wrong, wrong.|
Originally Posted by JJDrakken
The people that cried in the Dev's ears are the RP crowd for most part...
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Originally Posted by Captain_Freak
Oh good, another idiotic Rp'er bringing annoyance to the masses.....if only the Rp'ers would Rp in the game, instead of about game mechanics.
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The only reason I can think of for not liking the buff is that sometimes I want to get clean screenshots without stuff like cards circling around avatars. Still, even that has nothing to do with RP, and such occasions are rare enough that I really don't care.
If you don't like RP, fine. But seriously, what the hell is up with the misguided and misdirected hate? What's next, did RPers cause the Gulf oil spill, too? Did RPers also get Conan O'Brien fired? The whole housing bubble/crushing recession thing? Yup. Friggin' RPers.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
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It happens once in a while in this system (I'm used to it over at Comicbookresources). It's just a server hiccup.
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Samuel_Tow wonders: There was never a prompt. The system used to tell me "this post already exists" and it didn't do that now. I highly doubt it's been removed, too, so I wonder why it didn't trigger. |
Dec out.
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I have HAD IT with these MFing MFs in this MFing game!|
Clouded has plenty of company: My mind must be in the gutter because every time I see 'MF' in this thread it reminds me of something totally different. Think like Samuel L. Jackson and you'll see... |
Don't get me started on the Dual Pistols abbreviation.
EDIT: Meh, I should have figured others would get to that classic phrase before me.
Dec out.
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Lol I did chuckle, but you know what I mean right?|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
This is a test, right? I mean, if he stops listening to the players and does whatever he thinks he's right, there's someone already waiting to complain that he listened to you, right?
I'm on to this game. This why I keep telling Castle that what he should do is take his priorities from the lead designer, allocate resources and schedule time with the producers, listen to feedback from the players, discuss the plan with the powers team, and then just do whatever I say. Its simple, and its consistent. |
I am all for devs listening to players for feedback, but at the end of the day I expect them to ultimately do what they feel is best for the game. Players are hardly unbiased or objective. In my mind the role of devs is to be an unbiased objective protector of the "game", improving and fixing things. I mean, they are a great bunch of people and overall we do trust them to make the right decisions and take the game in the right direction.
So for Castle to turn around and basically say he was just "following orders" from the players, to me is totally rediculous. Surely someone in the dev team should have some kind of viewpoint as to what the stance on this buff should be. If Castle changed this on his own whim, then surely the devs should be working as a team and not a group of individuals and we wouldn't have this mess.
There is a reason democratic countries elect leaders and don't simply have a referendum on every issue.
Hmm, I see quite a few people saying that the prompt should be removed again, and MF just be treated like any other buff. So how about this? Give it a 4 minute duration, and make it drop on defeat or logging.
At least until we get a real solution, like an auto decline/accept option, or the ability to remove buffs from ourselves.
However, it turned out that Smith was not a time-travelling Terminator
How about everyone who doesnt like buffs and fortunes all move to a dead server like Triumph? Because when people declare they don't wnt buffs, i boot them from the team anyways.
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Its either one or both...the Fool adds a movement bonus(enter i cant control my toon or breaks my pc or enter drama)|
Originally Posted by Primal
Clearly they've HAD it with the MF buffs in their MF instances.
Seriously though, it's the MF speed boost in one (or more, I forget) of the buffs, some people seem to have issues with controlling the character afterward. It's another form of Ye Olde Speed Boost debate. |
...i dont like the little purple buff symbols it wrecks my costume and breaks my RP experience!
So what I've gathered is that a small, but vocal minority convinced the devs to roll back what was viewed my the majority as a good change for i17. Anecdotally, there is no one I play with who didn't hate the roll back, even if most of them didn't particularly mind the prompt in the first place. I for one hated that freakin' prompt and yelled any all my SG-mates (on Vent, so actual yelling) who kept trying to buff me w/it during a fight to the point they just stopped buffing me w/MF period, which was fine by me.
Obviously, there are ppl who hate being buffed unasked by anything no matter how positive the effects (granted MF has a few drawbacks too). The equally obvious answer is to make all outside buffs optionally prompted--if some of us want to get all the free goodies w/o being asked, let us. If others don't want fugly ice armors to cap their defenses, hey, their loss, er, choice. I don't even see why there's a debate about this other than as an allocation of dev resources, i.e. how big of an issue we, the community think it is. I really hate that freakin' prompt and would consider adding an option a rather high one, but then I value QoL fixes quite a bit.
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I'm sorry, I'm having trouble reading the rest of your post. My eyes appear to be rolling inside of my head and I can't seem to stop them. That makes it hard to read.
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Originally Posted by dave_p
So what I've gathered is that a small, but vocal minority convinced the devs to roll back what was viewed my the majority as a good change for i17...
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Ha! That makes two made-of-win posts (Sam's and Arcanaville's) in the same thread, and I haven't even read the whole thing. It even has some good tags.
Delivers, it does.
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The chance of a 20min long debuff is a little much, for any old joe schmoe to be able to put on you.|
Originally Posted by dave_p
So what I've gathered is that a small, but vocal minority convinced the devs to roll back what was viewed my the majority as a good change for i17. Anecdotally, there is no one I play with who didn't hate the roll back, even if most of them didn't particularly mind the prompt in the first place. I for one hated that freakin' prompt and yelled any all my SG-mates (on Vent, so actual yelling) who kept trying to buff me w/it during a fight to the point they just stopped buffing me w/MF period, which was fine by me.
Obviously, there are ppl who hate being buffed unasked by anything no matter how positive the effects (granted MF has a few drawbacks too). The equally obvious answer is to make all outside buffs optionally prompted--if some of us want to get all the free goodies w/o being asked, let us. If others don't want fugly ice armors to cap their defenses, hey, their loss, er, choice. I don't even see why there's a debate about this other than as an allocation of dev resources, i.e. how big of an issue we, the community think it is. I really hate that freakin' prompt and would consider adding an option a rather high one, but then I value QoL fixes quite a bit. |
And did the Dev's ever say that it was a QoL issue that made them change the pop up, and not that it could be exploited to stack multiple MF's?
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Just wait till DPers buff themselves with SM...
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Originally Posted by Decorum
I have HAD IT with these MFing MFs in this MFing game!
Don't get me started on the Dual Pistols abbreviation. EDIT: Meh, I should have figured others would get to that classic phrase before me. |
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Which in turn gives a whole new meaning to "TP me!"
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Originally Posted by LISAR
Just wait till DPers buff themselves with SM...
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Not if you play on Virtue.
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Originally Posted by Primal
Which in turn gives a whole new meaning to "TP me!"
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Before I start, note that I don't write code or develop games for a living, and I don't even play a developer on TV. And I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, either. My suppositions below are just that, based upon business experience.
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That *would* be ridiculous, if it were what he said. |
Originally Posted by Peacemoon
So for Castle to turn around and basically say he was just "following orders" from the players, to me is totally rediculous.
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Originally Posted by Castle
This is a situation I cannot win with. I removed the prompt; people complained until I was told to put it back. Now it's back, a completely different set of people get to complain.
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We know the prompt was removed due to an exploit. I expect that whoever found the exploit came to Castle and said, "We have an exploit we need to shut down. Can you remove the prompt from MF until we can fix it? We can put it back once the fix is ready." So Castle did that. People complained. When the fix was ready, he was told by the bug-fix crew that he could put the prompt back in the way it was. He did that. The complainers shut up, but the other side started complaining about bringing back the prompt. Thus the lament, basically "I can't win for losing".
Heh, I can relate to that.
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Originally Posted by Castle
People saying, "This choice should be something in the options menu" I neither agree nor disagree on this. That's for the UI team to decide, not me. In any case, that particular task is not one that I can undertake, so telling me doesn't really help beyond my passing it along to the powers that be.
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Actually, since we know we can't really TELL Castle what to do, I interpreted his statement that he was told to do this to mean that Positron, War Witch or someone else in management basically told him to do it.
What's more, needlessly nit-picky reading of his statement will reveal he never actually stated a "cause-and-effect" relationship between people's complaints and the absence or presence of the prompt, merely a "cause-and-effect" relationship between our ******** and the size of his headache, which I'm pretty sure is a mathematically provable law of correlation.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Maybe you should've since I fully acknowledged that you had a right to your opinions? I'll save myself the trouble of rolling my eyes at your drama in the future tho.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'm sorry, I'm having trouble reading the rest of your post. My eyes appear to be rolling inside of my head and I can't seem to stop them. That makes it hard to read.
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Ok, I notice the 'being forced into the Mystic Fortune' animation now. Does make accepting a fortune dangerous as you're forced into a roughly 1.17 second animation where you can't use powers or inspirations.
Obviously a bug, but does make one have to choose carefully whether or not one should accept a fortune.
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Yeah, the whole rooting during 'accepting' and fortune, can be detrimental to say the least.
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Well, that would be really sad. What did I go to drama school for if not to make people's eyes roll out of their heads?
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Originally Posted by dave_p
Maybe you should've since I fully acknowledged that you had a right to your opinions? I'll save myself the trouble of rolling my eyes at your drama in the future tho.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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And through this process we found out there is a legitimate desire for an option to turn off the prompt because the majority of the playerbase doesn't want it, and a smaller percentage do. Both has legitimate claims for the prompt on or off, and you can please both sides (it's just not Castle's department).|
Originally Posted by Tyrrano
We know the prompt was removed due to an exploit. I expect that whoever found the exploit came to Castle and said, "We have an exploit we need to shut down. Can you remove the prompt from MF until we can fix it? We can put it back once the fix is ready." So Castle did that. People complained. When the fix was ready, he was told by the bug-fix crew that he could put the prompt back in the way it was. He did that. The complainers shut up, but the other side started complaining about bringing back the prompt. Thus the lament, basically "I can't win for losing".
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It would seem prudent to put an option to remove the prompt on the schedule now, as this arguement won't go away until then.
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People keep saying one side is a majority and the other is a minority, but I have yet to see any actual evidence of said claims.
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And this surprises you? There is no evidence. There never was. There's only the bias of intolerant people who see their side as the majority because THEY are on it. This is one of the key reasons why the thread keeps devolving into petty bickering, because really - what can you say to a claim like that?
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Originally Posted by Clebstein
People keep saying one side is a majority and the other is a minority, but I have yet to see any actual evidence of said claims.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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People need to learn how to relax. This isn't a big deal.
Hey Rp'ers....I Rp'ed that my tank did blaster damage....guess what, didnt happen. Learn to separate Rp from game mechanics.