Fortune go my wife killed
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Arcanaville,
Posted on: 2010-06-08 09:26 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'm just puzzled that the reaction to this is far out of proportion to the actual impact in the game.
I mean, I did expect some disagreement, because I don't think there's anything that can ever happen in this game without people disagreeing. But I expected it to be along the lines of "actually, I liked it better the other way, but oh well", not all of this.
It makes me wonder if there's some sort of deeper undercurrent to this debate, and the Mystic Fortune thing is just casus belli.
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Originally Posted by DKellis
I'm just puzzled that the reaction to this is far out of proportion to the actual impact in the game.
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I didn't catch that first time around, and I was thinking, "They did what!? Why!?" but now that you explain it, it's funny as hell.
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Originally Posted by NuclearToast
Sam, it was a joke, referring to the Mystic Fortune prompt debate that (re)started this thread.
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This has been covered already.
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Originally Posted by Clebstein
People keep saying one side is a majority and the other is a minority, but I have yet to see any actual evidence of said claims.
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Heh, thinking about it, why not make mystic fortune like secondary mutation, a self buff.
It would mean no more complaints about "drive-by unwanted buffs" and no more complaints about the pop up window.
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I get more of the feeling that those that hate it suffer from stupid teammates.
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Actually, Secondary Mutation also has a prompt.|
Originally Posted by newchemicals
Heh, thinking about it, why not make mystic fortune like secondary mutation, a self buff.
It would mean no more complaints about "drive-by unwanted buffs" and no more complaints about the pop up window. |
When you activate the power, a prompt appears, asking you, "Are you are really sure you want to buff yourself?"
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Actually, Secondary Mutation also has a prompt.
When you activate the power, a prompt appears, asking you, "Are you are really sure you want to buff yourself?" |
Really? I haven't gotten to test to see that yet.
If that's the case, that sure seems backwards to me...the self buff shouldn't need a prompt, I'd think.
Still, I hate having a prompt box potentially pop up over top of the screen while I'm in combat, no matter who does it.
How about this for an optional pop-up box - "Do you wish to accept this change to the game?"
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There's a side to human psychology that makes us oftentimes more irked at the way people dismiss a problem, rather than at the size of the problem itself. Picture the following exchanges.|
Originally Posted by DKellis
It makes me wonder if there's some sort of deeper undercurrent to this debate, and the Mystic Fortune thing is just casus belli.
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-Oh, hey, the prompt is back.
-Man, you suck! You whined and now it's back and **** you!
-Yeah? Go to hell! And you know what else? I'm GLAD they changed it to something that pisses you off. *******!
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-Oh, hey, the prompt is back.
-I wish they hadn't done that. I liked it better before.
-Well, maybe they can add a prompt at some point.
Of course, there's the inverse of:
-Oh, hey, the prompt is back.
-I wish they hadn't done that. I liked it better before.
-Go to hell! No ******' way! That sucks and you suck for suggesting it!
-Well **** you very much, right back!
You know how that goes. After a certain point, it's less about the subject at hand and more about people being pissed off at other people for being dicks.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Most likely scenario is the same as it is with most things, ingame or outside of it. A minority is bothered by one way, a minority is bothered by the other way, and the majority doesn't give much of a rat's patoot either way.
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Clebstein should know how it goes: People keep saying one side is a majority and the other is a minority, but I have yet to see any actual evidence of said claims. |
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No surprise. Just means I can spam it at people that wanted the prompt back during combat. "How do you like your prompt now!?" |
Originally Posted by Castle
This is a situation I cannot win with. I removed the prompt; people complained until I was told to put it back. Now it's back, a completely different set of people get to complain.
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Yes, because that's exactly the right way to make people agree with you. All that will prove is that there are dicks in the game.
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Originally Posted by bpphantom
No surprise. Just means I can spam it at people that wanted the prompt back during combat. "How do you like your prompt now!?"
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'd consider it a proper retaliation for ruining other people's fun. Regardless of the fact that I will continue hoping that the devs get an option added like the Team TP option, and regardless of the fact that this is nothing more than annoyance and thus not game breaking, I would like to publicly state the following to all those that pushed to get the popup turned back on:|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Yes, because that's exactly the right way to make people agree with you. All that will prove is that there are dicks in the game.
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Fark you, you inconsiderate farks.
Be well, people of CoH.
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And you will fix that by being inconsiderate? Please understand that I say this with the utmost respect for you, but doesn't that strike you as hypocrisy? I don't mean to insult, but doing exactly the same thing you feel others have done to slight you back to them is something I can't explain in any other way.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Fark you, you inconsiderate farks.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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wait... what? You want ME to take the high road on something? No, Sam, I may work that way with my wife and son, and my dogs... sometimes my cat, but regular folk? Oh hell, no. I'll treat them AS they treat others.
Those that got the popup put back in requested it without even bothering to consider how it would affect other people. I see no reason to be considerate to self-centered farks like that. EDIT: Having no popup meant the buff was like every other buff in the game. You got it, you lived it with, life went on. Having the popup means this thing gets plopped up front and center on my screen in the middle of combat stopping me from being able to target enemies efficiently.
Yes, it's one nuisance over another. Yes, it's selfish of me to not care about the people that want to avoid the buff. This is why the devs need to put the option in for us to always accept or deny. While they're at it, the should probably throw in the "Disable non-teammate buffs" option as well so that the folks will have even less to ***** about.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Look, even ignoring "the high road," all you're doing is giving people the right to say "Well, they did the same to ME, so why should I care?" next time this comes up. Yeah, I know sticking it to the man, so to speak, does feel more satisfying, but all it does is breed more animosity and people WILL remember. Trust me on that one. They may not remember exactly what it was that caused them to feel that way, but they WILL remember that someone went out of his way to ruin their fun, and they will be rather much more immune to reason next time.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Those that got the popup put back in requested it without even bothering to consider how it would affect other people. I see no reason to be considerate to self-centered farks like that.
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I hate to be the guy doing the "violence never solves anything" speech because believe me - I don't feel it! But honestly, in this case? I don't think that'll do anything more than just make things worse and lead to bad attitude and even more problems down the line.
A lot of people came in here wondering what the quarrel was all about and if maybe the problem wasn't something more than just the prompt. Well, THAT is the problem. The prompt is no big deal, present or absent. But it's people going out of their way to kick each other in the nuts that causes these kinds of tensions, and I'll be damned, but I could sure as hell do without that kind of adventure. Especially because it turns around and bites ME, even when I wasn't the one getting revenge in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Sam, killing murderers stops them from committing more murders.
On topic, it sounds more like "yea, I was one of the people requesting the popup be put back in and I don't think I deserve folks being mad at me for it."
Maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps our ire should only be directed at the individual who forced Castle to add it back in. Perhaps we should throw our hands up in the air, give up, and walk off into the sunset holding hands and ignoring annoying popups.
I hate popups, Sam. I use popup blockers to stop them while browsing. I don't want to see them in game. Especially during combat.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Partially, yes, though I didn't go out demanding it, just expressed how much Mystic Fortune pisses me off (an old tune I've been singing ever since it was put in the game). Most of all, though, I worry for the future. Fine, screw this particular incident.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
On topic, it sounds more like "yea, I was one of the people requesting the popup be put back in and I don't think I deserve folks being mad at me for it."
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Say you're angry at the people who like the prompt and decide to make them angry, too. Say you inadvertently end up doing it to me. I'm going to be pissed off, and next time a bone of contention comes up, I'll be less likely to say "OK, let's look for a compromise." and more likely to say "Yeah, you're the people who came after me last time, so screw you and your preferences. Serves you right!"
Now, you and I both know that the latter is not only stupid, but actually harmful to any debate it might be dropped in, but the fact remains that targeted vengeance on people is likely to produce just that response. And not just now, either, but for many issues down the line. Possibly forever.
Me, I'm not a person who gets truly angry easily, but when I do and I lose my sympathy, I'm likely to carry that into ALL arguments I'm part of, not just that specific one that caused it. That's why I'm saying it's scary. And it's scary even if you and I are on the same side, because that sort of thing just comes around and goes around.
I realise it sucks for you. Believe me, I'm sorry about that and I'm not sitting back in my chair gloating. But I still want to look for a better alternative, rather than start throwing blame and retribution.
And if it seems like I'm taking this more seriously than I should, it's just that this is something I hold as a core belief, so in a sense, it IS important to me.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I think if you and others who wanted it had actually thought of others in the first place, and requested an option to accept or not in settings instead of yelling loud and long enough to get the prompt put back, then all of this would have not happened.
It was a bad design decision in the first place. It was gotten rid of because a ton of people rightfully hated the pop-up during combat and the like. If your goal was to have the option of rejecting it, this was not the way to approach it, by yelling for the option that everyone knew a sizable number of players hated.
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To play Sam's advocate for the moment, it would have mattered. Someone on the dev team said, "We're sick of the complaints, turn the popup back on." I'm betting Castle started to say something intelligent, but the one barking orders had moved on. So he shrugged and turned it back on fully expecting backlash for it.
Apparently getting options added to the UI is akin to pulling the teeth from the cats you just herded.
Whatever. One more reason not to team isn't going to make me cry in my soup tonight.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
wait... what? You want ME to take the high road on something? No, Sam, I may work that way with my wife and son, and my dogs... sometimes my cat, but regular folk? Oh hell, no. I'll treat them AS they treat others.
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| Those that got the popup put back in requested it without even bothering to consider how it would affect other people. |
How do you make the jump to the conclusion that someone who was used to the prompt for all those months and liked it, would ask for it back and purposely disregard how someone who hated the prompt would feel?
In the first place, the people who asked for it back would have to be aware that there were people who strongly hated it. I myself didn't even know that people hated the prompt to that degree. Or at least people on the forums...
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| I see no reason to be considerate to self-centered farks like that. |
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| EDIT: Having no popup meant the buff was like every other buff in the game. You got it, you lived it with, life went on. |
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| Having the popup means this thing gets plopped up front and center on my screen in the middle of combat stopping me from being able to target enemies efficiently. |
In teaming with my SG/VG mates and other online friends, I have never had them try to cast this buff in the middle of combat. It is always something we do at the beginning of the mission before we fight and then in the middle once we get a breather and have a quiet moment.
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| Yes, it's one nuisance over another. Yes, it's selfish of me to not care about the people that want to avoid the buff. This is why the devs need to put the option in for us to always accept or deny. While they're at it, the should probably throw in the "Disable non-teammate buffs" option as well so that the folks will have even less to ***** about. |
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
To play Sam's advocate for the moment, it would have mattered. Someone on the dev team said, "We're sick of the complaints, turn the popup back on." I'm betting Castle started to say something intelligent, but the one barking orders had moved on. So he shrugged and turned it back on fully expecting backlash for it.
Apparently getting options added to the UI is akin to pulling the teeth from the cats you just herded. |
I imagine that's right. All I was saying is that if a bunch of players dislike X, and another bunch like X, then why not see if we can get Y, which will serve both groups well, instead of lobbying for something that the other group will hate.
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I could have, but then you wouldn't have had a reason to dump all the holier-than-thou spew you just shared with us.| You could have just started with this and be done with it. |
I never cared why the prompt was removed. I was simply happy it was gone.
Be well, people of CoH.
I didn't read much of the thread. Just wanted to say this:
Remove the prompt. Make all buffs dismissible by right clicking their icon and selecting "Dismiss." Only powers that grant all benefits can be dismissed. You cannot dismiss, for example, Rage crash.
How doable is it? I don't know. But it's the industry standard more or less.
By the way, I just have to say, that the suggestion a few people have thrown about, the one to have an option for ALL buffs to be declined in the options menu, is probably the worst solution ever. Seeing as, the way I interpret it, all buffs would include any type of armor, or heal, or Leadership power, or what have you that helps you at all.
(It may have been suggested in another thread; either way, poor choice.)