Lost - SERIES FINALE! - 5/23/10
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
Good to see Jeremy Davies be as nerdy and awkward in real life as he was on the show.
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Talia is grumpy about those 'alternate endings' on Jimmy Kimmel.
Though I enjoyed the first one only cause I watch the show they were making the joke out of.
Talia is grumpy about those 'alternate endings' on Jimmy Kimmel.
Though I enjoyed the first one only cause I watch the show they were making the joke out of. |
Though nothing beats Sawyer/Desmond in Locke's casket!
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Hmmm, good interpretation. Can't argue that. |
It was an interesting denoument. As well as an interesting take on the traditional happy ending to stories.
A lot of the argument over this episode I am reading on other threads is the whole character vs. mythology aspect of the finale. In that, we never really got any answers to the big (in their mind) mythological questions in this episode. Especially upset are the people who admit watching the show for its sci-fi, mystery aspect.
It is understandable that those people feel that way, but the show has always been about the characters. We don't get our first real glimpse into the mythology of the show until an hour or so into the pilot. We get Locke's paralyzation and recovery after and Christiangeist, but these were framed as an impact on the character and a way to color their behavor. The show isn't about the mysteries or the time-travel, it is about how these characters react to those mysteries. I should also add a lot of the talk about FlashForward and V I have said something similar: a lot of these "mystery" show/serials love to make it about the questions than those who are around those questions and I think that ultimately dooms them.
Now, I am a big fan of the mythology of the show. Loved to dive into Dharma. I also got excited when an answer was given. But I also love the characters, love it when they would get their episode and just watch what made them tick (or in the case of the FF, what will make them tick). And the writers have always made it clear that the characters come first.
In the end, to say the show should have ended with a wrap up of mysteries and not of the characters is a bit misplaced. The show started with survivors trying to survive. It should end with those survivors.
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I don't comment on the forums a lot, but I read and enjoy a lot of the threads on the Comic Culture subforum. I've especially loved reading the Lost threads. That I will miss.
Wanted to just add my voice to those who are calling this one of the best finales in the history of television. It will be a long while before I find another show to occupy me like Lost did.
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I thought it was... ok. Some very touching stuff, but overall I found it unsatisfying. Though I never liked the 1st series of Lost, because all the flashbacks about these dull peoples lives, I wanted to to know what was happening on the cool Island, so maybe the ending wasn't meant for me.
We didn't really learn anything about the Island except maybe never leave a magic island in the charge of two jerkface brothers with a crazy, psychopathic Mum. Looking back on it, I don't think either Jacob or MiB really knew much about the Island, and it seems like a lot of the problems people had were just because Jacob decided things should work like that.
I do like the idea of Hurley and Ben running things, I'm hoping they go for a fantasy Island type setup, bringing people to the Island for a fun, enlightening adventure before sending them off home.
Always remember, we were Heroes.
Looks like there isn't going to be a Lost movie at some point though. There aren't any missing years. There is nothing worth watching about the characters lives beforehand. And there certainly isn't room for a sequel unless they want to focus on the life/afterlife of Ben.
I guess they could do a series where the heaven bound losties find out that Richard was hauled off to hell so they decide to go after him to bring him back. Only in order to get to him they have to jump over a shark.
Don't count your weasels before they pop dink!
i watched the pilot of the show and that's it and maybe a couple of other episodes ....after reading the ending i'm confused .
this is what i got from the wiki far as the last episode.
The opening shows alternating scenes between the sideways timeline in 2004 and the original 2007 timeline. 2007 Richard and Miles rescue Lapidus from the wreckage of the submarine. Jack confronts the Man in Black and they travel to the heart of the island together with Desmond. Desmond is able to disable the light, making both Jack and the Man in Black mortal. Jack is able to kill the Man in Black but was mortally wounded in the process. Lapidus, Richard, Sawyer, Kate, Claire, and Miles escape the island on the plane. Hurley takes over for Jack as the protector of the island shortly before Jack goes on a suicide mission to save the island. Desmond is saved by Jack, but Jack cannot save himself. The last thing Jack sees before he dies is the plane leaving the island. Walt's dog Vincent stays by Jack's side as he watches his friends escape from the island. Hurley, in his role as the new protector of the island, decides to help Desmond get home and asks Linus for his help after Linus suggests that Hurley change how things are run so people can come and go from the island now instead of being stuck there. 2004 Desmond continues to gather the Islanders who begin to recollect their time on the Island. Each begin to recognize one another and meet up later at a church. Kate instructs Jack to enter through the back, where he encounters his father's coffin. When he touches it all of his memories come back to him. He opens the coffin and discovers it empty. Christian Shephard is standing behind his son and explains to Jack where he is and what it means, saying, "the time you spent with these people was the most important period of your life." The 2004 timeline is revealed to have been an afterlife created by the survivors so they could find one another, independent of the time at which they died, and move on to "the next phase" together. Jack and Christian go out into the church to meet the others. After many handshakes, hugs and kisses, Christian leaves through the front doors of the church and all are bathed in a light. |
mmm hmm yup hmm ok ah ha brilliant ! .......oh wait no i don't care about the above .
what i really would like to know did they ever explain the "Dharma initiative" stuff i remember reading a long time ago all the complex little plot elements involving that "research station " plotline involving "gasp" we found the chicken room!!!
and we need to press a button every 24hours or we blow up!!! ... ,oh my it's a shame ....then next week "oh my goodness" we found a "squirrel room" and we need to write notes about our feelings and thoughts and put them in this mail slot which leads to a big pile of trash outside.
so yeah did they ever explain that dharma initiative mess ,i'm looking but i don't see anything.
from what i'm reading in the wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative
it seems like one of those conveniently placed subplots in mystery's that in hindsight added nothing and was only implemented to throw the reader off and was not relevant to the story in the least .
i hope i'm reading that wrong and the "dharma initiative" was explained and was relevant to this purgatory well of furies business.
i watched the pilot of the show and that's it and maybe a couple of other episodes ....after reading the ending i'm confused .
this is what i got from the wiki far as the last episode. mmm hmm yup hmm ok ah ha brilliant ! .......oh wait no i don't care about the above . what i really would like to know did they ever explain the "Dharma initiative" stuff i remember reading a long time ago all the complex little plot elements involving that "research station " plotline involving "gasp" we found the chicken room!!! and we need to press a button every 24hours or we blow up!!! ... ,oh my it's a shame ....then next week "oh my goodness" we found a "squirrel room" and we need to write notes about our feelings and thoughts and put them in this mail slot which leads to a big pile of trash outside. so yeah did they ever explain that dharma initiative mess ,i'm looking but i don't see anything. from what i'm reading in the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative it seems like one of those conveniently placed subplots in mystery's that in hindsight added nothing and was only implemented to throw the reader off and was not relevant to the story in the least . i hope i'm reading that wrong and the "dharma initiative" was explained and was relevant to this purgatory well of furies business. |
Basically, the Initiative was another group of people brought to the Island. They were hippie scientists, turned a bit of mad scientist, and they built hatches on the Island to study it.
Like The Black Rock, like Rousseau and her team, they weren't going to explain the mythology of the Island, they were the mythology, showing us how people come to the Island and some exploit it (which was touched upon as a theme in an episode this year).
The purgatory/well of furies is only relevant to the main cast, the survivors of 815 (more or less). The Well of Furies were for those deemed worthy, which was a few of the 815 survivors, finally and the purgatory was a human construct for lost souls and not specific to any one group (since Ben and Desmond were a part of it, you can't say it was only 815 survivors)
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Minago, your post contains huge spoilers. Please spoiler tag it or edit the spoiler out.
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Okay, I'm not ashamed to say that I cried myself to sleep over this episode. Not even kidding. That's how much I love this show. I woke up this morning feeling better than I have in days, started thinking about the show again, and the tears started falling. =/ Never have I been so deeply moved over a television show.
On another note, one of the most surprisingly happy things about this episode was the fate of Richard. I won't spoil anything, but it was definitely a heartwarming and satisfying end for one of my favorite characters.
To be fair, this entire thread is about spoilers. Anyone entering it should know by now.
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Perhaps someone should put up a seperate 'no spoilers' final episode thread.
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I'm going to say it. I'm getting a bit tired of Lindelof and Cuse trying to be celebrities and comedians. One funny little skit is ok, but they've really overdone it these last few months. Anytime they are interviewed there has to be some silly schtick, any show with skits they'll do something all "ironic" or ridiculous. Stick to writing boys, leave the acting and joking to the professionals and create us a new show already.
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I'm going to say it. I'm getting a bit tired of Lindelof and Cuse trying to be celebrities and comedians. One funny little skit is ok, but they've really overdone it these last few months. Anytime they are interviewed there has to be some silly schtick, any show with skits they'll do something all "ironic" or ridiculous. Stick to writing boys, leave the acting and joking to the professionals and create us a new show already.
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Perfect. Freakin' PERFECT! That episode was the best way to end the series. It was a good conclusion to the condition of the Island, and a great resolution for the characters and their stories.
The flash-sideways turning out to be the biggest flash-forward of them all really came as a huge shock. It explains a lot though, and it makes sense now why things weren't adding up in the other time line, and why Desmond was so zen-like after he glimpsed it.
Hurley taking over was something I once thought about, but ended up shrugging off the idea. Good to see it ended up coming true. Of all the survivors, he really does make the most sense. He was the most "good" of all of them. And seeing Ben's reaction to being offered the right hand man position was a nice touch. But not as cool as seeing his talk with John.
I know there's been some confusion as to what the hell was going on and what the flash sideways meant Once it sets in, I think those still wondering if they were dead all along will get what it really was, and enjoy what that meant.
I'm not sure how I feel about Jack dying in the end. There's been a constant theme that when the Island is done with you, you're done. And it seemed like the Island was done with Jack once he did his job. But then I thought about it some more. The Light of the Island is Life, Death and Rebirth. And maybe when the Island is done with you, you're not done at all. Maybe it makes a place for you to meet your loved ones in the end. Maybe when you do what you needed to do, the Island rewards you with the ability to move on. You just have to make the last effort of moving on yourself to be completely done. That right there, is pretty cool. Still, a Jack that didn't die so soon would have been nice, too. And while I don't care for Kate that much, a Jack that could have been with her again would have felt fair.
I'm gonna go chew on this episode some more.
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Perfect. Freakin' PERFECT! That episode was the best way to end the series. It was a good conclusion to the condition of the Island, and a great resolution for the characters and their stories.
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best tv ending ever!
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I think the finale definitely is driving me to watch "Happily Ever After" again. And maybe even "Flashes Before Your Eyes." Desmond actually "dies" while in the electromagnetic field? It may explain so much, especially about Mrs. Hawking/Widmore.
She was clearly awakened in the sideways story. And it appears once you are awakened, you not only know what happened on the Island, but you intristinctly know what the sideways universe is. That is why Mrs. Hawking/Widmore knows so much, at least in HEA. Also, being awakened doesn't mean you are ready to crossover, as it were.
Now, in FBYE, perhaps the same thing happened. But instead of it being a group limbo, it was Desmond's personal limbo, or one for those who have lived on the Island for a while. Mrs. Hawking is aware and is trying to keep Desmond "asleep" by keeping what he remembers to be true to be true. His rememberance of his past is not the future leaking in, but his life.
Now, this still means that Desmond is a time-traveler, as seen in The Constant. He still becomes Time Traveling BFF with Faraday (which is what concerns Mrs. Hawking). It is just in FBYE, he is experiencing the other state for the first time.
Of course, perhaps this state is created by Hugo, as the ultimate way to take care of his friends, which throws my theory slightly off.
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As stated last night, my local affiliate didn't carry Kimmel. But they did show "The Incident" which is the first time we see Jacob and MiB. It was neat watching that episode after watching the finale.
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Well, pre-show, I was hoping for
1) a non-Purgatory-esque-ending, I thought that would be a cop-out,
2) some strong explanations for the physical/scientific discontinuities/time travel/inconsistencies,
3) revelations about the philosophical, literary, and social shout-outs/easter-eggs that were dropped in so often.
I think a lot of those pre-show hopes were dashed. We actually did get a bit of a Purgatory ending, though not from the direction expected. And we didn’t really get many answers to the scientific /etc. inconsistencies (though the Purgatory situation explains a lot of them). And there will be many philosophical/etc. easter-eggs that will leave us asking whether the writers really knew whether their apparent intended ‘implications’ matched our ‘inferences.’ And after reading nearly every one of Doc Jensen’s detailed analyses of each episode of the show, (very worthwhile reading, Google it and lose a month of your life), there were many thousands of references that may never be answered.
And yet, I found myself, both during and after the show, completely and utterly blown away by the quality of this episode. I was surprised to find out how much I cared about these characters, and how much more I cared about them than I did about the Science/plot details.
And as many good TV shows as there have been throughout the years, this is undeniably in the top 3 Best of All Time, and after some more reflection, I may decide that for me, it has been the Best. It has certainly been, by far, the most intellectually stimulating show in TV history. It also seems to say a lot about society, and humanity. (And I Love that they directly, at least twice, DISassociated Religion and Faith/Spirituality. A theme that resonates with me.)
I watched it without my wife (she’s obsessed with Castle Age, and will watch tonight on DVR), and I found myself brought to tears many times:
Claire/Kate/Aaron;
Claire/Charlie;
Hurley reuniting Sayid with Shannon, and redeeming him thusly;
Sun and Jin flashing, and “learning” English ;
Sawyer Punk-popping Ben in the grill and taking the gun, (That was so funny I laughed until I cried!)
Hurley taking the mantle (When he said “Better Him than Me…”,about Jack taking the mantle, I said aloud to my wife, “That’s a lie.” I was off, but only by a little. ;
Sawyer/Juliet;
Locke moving his feet right after the surgery, and completely freaking Jack out;
Jack/Kate/Casket;
Ben and Hurley at the end;
Ben and Locke at the end;
Vincent laying down next to Jack;
Jack and Christian;
Everyone together in the chapel…
And even with all of the unanswered questions, I still think it was the best evening of TV I think I have ever experienced.
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