Lost - SERIES FINALE! - 5/23/10
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Posted on: 2010-05-23 05:14 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Tho' them all being dead does make great sense of the consistent, regular parallels all over the series. People 'stuck in a loop,' having trouble moving on.
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I've seen a lot of TV in my time and this has got to be the best TV series I've ever seen and definitely the best finale I've ever seen.|
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Great ending. Great show. Maybe the best television series ever. I'm profoundly satisfied.
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Although bittersweet and melancholy. Very bittersweet and melancholy.
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This, but I feel that the writers hit a road block and could never come up with a good explanation about the island and took this path for the storyline and they did all right. Could not get any more FINAL then death and moving on but kind of lame now I think about it because...EVERYONE DIES no real shock, and a lazy way to end a show next to a wake up/dream experience. Really, that could be a ending for all shows from here on out, "What happened to everyone...they died".
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Originally Posted by Mr_Hellcat
No, Christian said that everyone dies eventually. Some died before him, some long after. Plus, Hurley said to Ben "You were a great number 2." and Ben said he was an amazing number 1, which means they were Jacob and Richarding it up for awhile.
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WOW. Just WOW.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Hellcat
No, Christian said that everyone dies eventually. Some died before him, some long after. Plus, Hurley said to Ben "You were a great number 2." and Ben said he was an amazing number 1, which means they were Jacob and Richarding it up for awhile.
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It started to dawn on me when sideways Locke and Ben had their conversation and then when Hurley and Ben talked in the past tense, my eyes grew wide: "They flipped the script and the sideways reality was purgatory!"
It may also explain who was and wasn't ready: Michael still has issues, so he couldn't go (and was unseen in the sideways reality). Ana-Lucia too.
All the On-Island stuff? Awesome. I will let it all digest for like, um, five minutes?
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Originally Posted by Talia_Rayvyn
That was a sad ending...and also confusing.
What did it mean when Ben said he wasn't going to go inside is the main thing that bothers me. |
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Nope. They all died at various times. Some before (Shannon, Boone, Sayid, etc). Some died long after (Hurley, Ben, etc). They were all important to each other (excepting, IMO Ben) so naturally, they would look like what they looked like during that time, more or less.|
Originally Posted by Unknown_User
That's what it looked like to me. Although what Jack's dad said that some people die early or later makes me wonder if they were survivors and somehow the crash of Oceanic 815 was the thing that tied them all together.
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You don't think old people go to Heaven or whatever and have to be old do you? Cuz that would suck.
This ones going to get analyzed for quite a while. I think I'm going to bask in the evening. Watch Kimmel to see if there are any "answers" and just reflect back on these 6 seasons.
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It's all about connections, which fits the show to a T. The crash of Oceanic 815 was how they came to know each other, so yeah, it's how they were tied together. It's interesting to note that Miles was in Purgatory but wasn't there, same with Charlotte and Daniel. They had bonds with the Losties, but those weren't the strongest bonds.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
That's what it looked like to me. Although what Jack's dad said that some people die early or later makes me wonder if they were survivors and somehow the crash of Oceanic 815 was the thing that tied them all together.
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Well if they are all dead and at the end they were moving on and probably going to heaven. Maybe Ben knew that he wasn't going with them and mostly being sent down to either Hell or a longer stay in Purgatory.
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Originally Posted by Talia_Rayvyn
What did it mean when Ben said he wasn't going to go inside is the main thing that bothers me. |
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While that was the ending of the main characters lives, it was not the ending of the narrative of the show. The narrative ended when Jack put the cork back in and the Ajira flight took off.|
Originally Posted by Night_Caster
This, but I feel that the writers hit a road block and could never come up with a good explanation about the island and took this path for the storyline and they did all right. Could not get any more FINAL then death and moving on but kind of lame now I think about it because...EVERYONE DIES no real shock, and a lazy way to end a show next to a wake up/dream experience. Really, that could be a ending for all shows from here on out, "What happened to everyone...they died".
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Also, they did not all die during the crash. Sideways Ben and Hurley's conversation, the fact that their "souls" remembered each other and their interaction on the Island, Christian's speech, all indicate what happened, happened. The "flashback," as it were, to the wreckage was just to show us what united these people. Notice there were no dead bodies. If they really wanted to pound the point home that every died in the crash, they would have intercut the reunion scene in the church with the camera viewing their bodies on the beach. That, plus the fact it was more a stinger, was meant to bring closure.
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And Ben pointing out that he didn't think Locke needed the chair. Subtle and profound.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
WOW. Just WOW.
It started to dawn on me when sideways Locke and Ben had their conversation and then when Hurley and Ben talked in the past tense, my eyes grew wide: "They flipped the script and the sideways reality was purgatory!" . |
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I think in Ben's case, his Purgatory might be a bit harder to let go of. Plus, they never said it was Heaven necessarily, it's just that our culture associates bright white light in terms of moving on as Heaven. Considering hot sure Hurley was that Ben should be in the church with them, I'd have to say it wasn't to Heaven or Hell so much as moving on in general.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
Well if they are all dead and at the end they were moving on and probably going to heaven. Maybe Ben knew that he wasn't going with them and mostly being sent down to either Hell or a longer stay in Purgatory.
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The various different religious symbols and statues suggested an "every persons" "great beyond" whatever you want to call it.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Hellcat
I think in Ben's case, his Purgatory might be a bit harder to let go of. Plus, they never said it was Heaven necessarily, it's just that our culture associates bright white light in terms of moving on as Heaven. Considering hot sure Hurley was that Ben should be in the church with them, I'd have to say it wasn't to Heaven or Hell so much as moving on in general.
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My other big question is:
Was the plane at the end of the show the original Oceanic 815 or was it the plane that Lapidus was flying?
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Haha, I noticed that in the coffin room. I was like, "Oh, that's cool." Then it hit the fan!
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
The various different religious symbols and statues suggested an "every persons" "great beyond" whatever you want to call it.
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"Ben is short for Frank."
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I believe it was Lapidus and Jack laughed because he knew his friends would be alright.
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Originally Posted by Talia_Rayvyn
My other big question is:
Was the plane at the end of the show the original Oceanic 815 or was it the plane that Lapidus was flying? |
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The Ajira one. It's more angular and has bent up wingtips.
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Originally Posted by Talia_Rayvyn
My other big question is:
Was the plane at the end of the show the original Oceanic 815 or was it the plane that Lapidus was flying? |
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Or that our view of what comes after is meaningless and the whole point of the "Purgatory" is to just let go and come to terms with what we did while on this plane of existence. No punishment, no reward, just release and the chance to move on.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Hellcat
I think in Ben's case, his Purgatory might be a bit harder to let go of. Plus, they never said it was Heaven necessarily, it's just that our culture associates bright white light in terms of moving on as Heaven. Considering hot sure Hurley was that Ben should be in the church with them, I'd have to say it wasn't to Heaven or Hell so much as moving on in general.
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Because lets face it...the things we do here on this plane are so utterly meaningless and finite, that holding on to the wrongs, the rights, the indecisions, the hatreds, the things that hold us back from being is just plain dumb. We all will face that gate at some point, and the only real thing we can do is let go, forgive, and hope that we are in turn forgiven.
Actually the church made me think of airport churches, which I thought was fitting.
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That's a good way to put it. They were all willing to move on while Ben in his mind felt that he wasn't ready.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Hellcat
I think in Ben's case, his Purgatory might be a bit harder to let go of. Plus, they never said it was Heaven necessarily, it's just that our culture associates bright white light in terms of moving on as Heaven. Considering hot sure Hurley was that Ben should be in the church with them, I'd have to say it wasn't to Heaven or Hell so much as moving on in general.
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Nono I mean the plane shown during the credits. Was that the original 815?
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
I believe it was Lapidus and Jack laughed because he knew his friends would be alright.
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Locke forgiving Ben was a pretty touching exchange. Both in how Locke forgave him, but also in how sincere Ben seemed when forgiven. He may have not been ready, but that was a big step towards moving forward.
Also, sidenoted, Alex wasn't in the church. I'm thinking Ben is waiting to be reunited with her to move on.
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Originally Posted by Talia_Rayvyn
Nono I mean the plane shown during the credits. Was that the original 815?
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yes, I believe that was the 815 and their original camp.
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Originally Posted by Talia_Rayvyn
Nono I mean the plane shown during the credits. Was that the original 815?
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I see your point, but the ending did not fit the uniqueness of the show. They could have used any narrative to get to this ending about "friendship through survival and the strong bonds that are made through such experience" i.e. soldiers in war. This show did not answer the questions, for me, that made the show unique like the origin of the island, the mother of the island, etc...I just felt that the ending, which is generic and can be applied to any long running drama, did not do this unique show justice. I am done venting and chances are will not read anymore about this, in order to keep the little bit of sanity I have left...good day.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
While that was the ending of the main characters lives, it was not the ending of the narrative of the show. The narrative ended when Jack put the cork back in and the Ajira flight took off.
Also, they did not all die during the crash. Sideways Ben and Hurley's conversation, the fact that their "souls" remembered each other and their interaction on the Island, Christian's speech, all indicate what happened, happened. The "flashback," as it were, to the wreckage was just to show us what united these people. Notice there were no dead bodies. If they really wanted to pound the point home that every died in the crash, they would have intercut the reunion scene in the church with the camera viewing their bodies on the beach. That, plus the fact it was more a stinger, was meant to bring closure. |
What did it mean when Ben said he wasn't going to go inside is the main thing that bothers me.
Ok, so that throws out that theory of mine to the universes, at least in terms of the show.