Transpotation Power/s for Natural Heroes?

pay attention to the vehicles in the game and see how stupid they look turning corners and what not. and also, you do not understand how the game engine works or how it is coded. please do not assume that something is easy when it is not.

I am learning 3D animation as of now (Maya 2010), and will be taking classes in game design this summer.

I would also suggest you stop assuming you know more than I do, unless you support your basis for knowledge.

A motorcycle in this fashion wouldn't be much more than an different item for the legs for super run...
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Look at the cars in the game.
Look at the tech wings.
See how different they are?

"Learning Maya" =/= "Knowing how to code City of Heroes. That is what the "standard code rant" is all about.

Just because you might know a little about how to use a popular program, a VERY LITTLE if you're 'starting' to learn animation... Remember that ANIMATION IS NOT MMO CODE. And it never will be.

You wanna make your own mmo - go right ahead. Until you've got all the experience to do so, maybe you should listen when those of us who've been around the game a long while, and have had the pleasure of talking directly with the devs, say things like "the devs won't do this because x and y". Because that's how the game works. Every game has different engines and expectations.

Maya is not a game engine. Hate to burst your bubble. It's a pretty animation program, and rendering things in it is keen. But it's not got a lot to do with programming powers or effects in this game. Live with that.

as i have been around the game much longer then you have, i do have very good knowledge of what will work and what won't. and a motorcycle animation the way you are proposing it will look entirely stupid. you need to listen and learn from those of us who have been around longer then you and stop getting so upset when people tell you why your idea will not work.

Um... Yes we do. We totally do. In fact, we had jet packs IN THE 60S! Sure, they couldn't fly as fast, as high or as long as ours do, but then real-world guns can't curve bullets and real-world swords can't cut plate steel, yet none of that ever stopped this being the status quo in City of Heroes. Oh, and real-world flesh doesn't absorb bullets as a form of nutrition.

And on the flip side, this isn't the real world. In Paragon City, teleportation technology is commonplace, levitation technology is sold at the corner grocery store, you can find energy weapons in toy stores and a lot of heroes have about 25 cybernetic hearts. Technology is commonplace. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to think up a technology that is NOT contemporary to the world of City of Heroes.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Sorry to come back to this, but I have to ask;

Do you never click the Go To Hospital button if you get defeated? You only ever use an Awaken or get a team mate to rez you?

Because the hospital teleport is very high tech, which you seem to feel would blow your 'natural' status...

However, it's being used to refute your "wouldn't be available for heroes" and "Super tech" arguments, which again you dodge. Your character is either a registered hero (in which case you're closer to the military than police as far as the tech you'd potentially have access to, yes, even as a "natural") or villain (in which case, what do you care if they'd "let" you use what you just stole?)
Please show any other example in game where this is done.
I dub thee "KittyKrusader the Second." That individual also "did some mod for NWN" and thus felt they knew everything they'd ever need to know for just HOW COH worked. They were, of course, WAY off.

3d animation: I can set scenes exactly how I want, have them render and work.

MMO: I have a wide range of model sizes of which I don't control, three body types, and thousands of animations (including those requiring the lower body to move and/or be in direct contact with the ground) to deal with - *just for starters.*

/this.

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I do the same thing.

It's funny, I can see my characters run that way, it feels very comicy booky (not all though, for them I just dont use Ninja Run...but those ones usually have a travel power of another sort)...but the idle standing doesnt work for any of my concepts.

So I just toggle it off

IMO, a character’s origin should be associated with the major source of their powers. Travel powers can be related to a characters origin but do not have to be and should not define the nature of their core abilities.

The Hulk’s powers are of science origin and his super strength allows him to leap great distances. This is an example of an origin related travel power. To take away the super leap you would need to take away his super strength.

Spider-Man’s powers are also of science origin but he travels via the technological wonder of the web slingers which he designed. This does not make Spider-Man a technology origin hero since taking away his web slingers does not remove his strength, agility or Spider-Sense. (I’m talking the original irradiated spider origin story folks, not the Peter Parker with arguably impossible organic spinnerets)


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And that's it precisely. (And why I said, above, that if a vehicle or motorcycle would be ok, I can't see why a jetpack isn't.)

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I am trying to poke holes in everything you say. It is the only way to demonstrate to you that your arguments lack a solid foundation

The ninja in Ninja Scroll are VERY supernatural. If you accept their powers as natural "ki training," you should be able to accept any of the travel powers as natural. The good ninja used Super Jump, if not outright flying, and could cross incredible distances in a short amount of time (Super Speed). At least one of the bad ninja could teleport through shadows.

Now I know where your goalposts are for action movies, at least (Lethal Weapon), which means that you consider things like the James Bond movies and the Bourne movies to be science fiction. If the previous statement is not true, why are you limiting your natural concepts to the lowest tech of all the action blockbusters, despite the fact that most of the tech in both the Bond and Bourne movies are at least in the developmental stage RIGHT NOW? Considering the advances in technology in the 23 years since Lethal Weapon came out, you might as well be complaining that helicopters are too advanced for your natural heroes because they didn't exist in Gangs of New York.

So, if you can overlook the fact that your "natural" hero can take a hit from a rocket in the face and still be at over 80% health, why is it so hard to accept that the normal tech level of the City of Heroes universe is (at least) slightly higher than our own?

Jetpacks, rocket boots, piston boots and teleportation technology are all relatively common in the City of Heroes universe. It should cause no disconnect if one of your natural heroes should decide to avail himself of this technology to get around. However, if you make the choice to live like the Amish, you don't get to complain that the cars of the heathen masses go faster than your horse drawn buggy.

I never assumed that my golden age, natural origin hero, Red Jackal, was taking a direct hit with rockets because it was fairly obvious he would not survive it. In my mind the explosion always happened relatively close and he suffered shrapnel, fire and concussive damage. Yes I realize that the animation shows Red Jackal actually being hit with a rocket but to quote Adam Savage, "I reject your reality and substitute it for my own."




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Personally I think it will be a very long time before (and if) we ever see them as being affordable to the average person. The danger factor is probably the biggest reason they won't be mass marketed. I predict someone would need to get some sort of pilots liscence to operate one. Also the jetpack only has a 30 minute fuel supply. To me that's just long enough to forget to watch the time because your having too much fun and short enough to run out of fuel and fall to your death.

So for the time being these things will probably only be bought by the rich and stupid.

Initial market, most likely:
Police/SWAT type teams.
Military

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I'll back the Fitness Pool. What's more Natural than to be fit?

I have a character that got along fairly well with just the Fitness pool until the GvE jump pack came along (makes going vertical easier) and the various teleports, fight, and jump packs when they came out.

I guess the OP is going for Super Strength or Martial Arts with Willpower (or possibly Regen if the SFX colors were turned off). I don't know any other sets that would make a character look like they were completely Natural and not using some kind of devices (that includes axes, swords, rifles, pistols, etc.) or powers (ice, fire, electricity, darkness, etc.)
If this is the case than Fitness definitely fits in with those power sets.

Does this mean that the OP will refuse tps to missions?
I guess they are out of luck on refusing "mystic fortune" at this point.

Sounds more like you are getting some cheep fun winning the internet.

What would be wrong having a more appropriate transportation power of a natural human? It is even addressed very fondly in the staff of power mission arch.

In lightfoot's defense that is part of the purpose of the suggestion fourms. Poking holes in ideas is supposed to help people perfect an idea, and look at it from a different perspective. It's easy to get tunnelvision and overlook something that might be glaringly obvious to another person.

unfortunately not everyone is as diplomatic about it as others are.

Yeah those are probable markets, but the company is also supposed to be getting ready to take orders from private civilian parties later this year.

But for the forseeable future I think the private sector will be a very small market.

If you can't handle having arguments against your idea made, or problems with your idea or viewpoint pointed out, don't put them in a discussion forum. The point of this IS to poke holes, not be heaped with praise for every single letter that comes out of a poster's keyboard.

You've been given legitimate responses you are choosing not to accept. Or you're completely ignoring or dodging.

We ARE giving you "appropriate transportation powers of a natural human." Natural humans walk, use the train or use some sort of assistance. In the COH world, the only vehicle - other than the tram - is a jetpack, which has been shown not to be all that much of a stretch to be used.

Hell, if you want, you can handwave using superspeed to get to missions as just "fast forwarding through the boring walk-everywhere parts of the movie."

Given the faster-than-the-cars speeds reached just with sprint (not to mention the unlikely leaps and speed of ninja run,) if you want to restrict yourself to "just a natural human," you're going to be taking a while to get anywhere since you'll only have "non sprint speed" and "Walk" available.

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