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Sometimes you rival the level of annoyance that Golden Girl produces.
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Originally Posted by Westley
Ibtl!
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The OP is a silly person, ascribing to malice that which can be adequately explained by indifference.
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And it will sell before the 400k lister, possibly for the 400k. I remember when I used to bother with selling commons I would typically price it at around 20% over cost to cover the fees and time.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Assuming you pay 1000 inf for each pice (Temporal Analyzer and Hydraulic piston can normally be snagged for 10 inf)
Thats a cost to a field crafter of 218 000. Break even is 242 222. 300 000 inf even a profit of 57 778, which is a 19% return. |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
do not attempt to presume to know the motivations of people that sell things on the market. Many of them don't give a rats rectum about the market prices of basic IO's. They are "rich" beyond their wildest dreams from selling real items like purples, and their goal is to unlock recipes they can craft on their remote crafting table.
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Originally Posted by Fury Flechette
I'm trying very hard to find a problem here. Let's see:
a) Casual players can buy a nice crafted IO for a good price. That's a win for them. b) Ebil marketeers, if they choose, can buy up the *supposedly* under priced IOs and flip them, and possibly make a profit (or not) if they assume some risk. That's a possible win for them. c) Rich players and badgers can get progress for their crafting badges which means more transaction slots and/or badges. Rich players just want their goodie at any price and badgers just see this as the price for getting their shiney. |
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Wow. This is the first time I can recall seeing a thread asserting that prices are TOO LOW in the market and that people should CHARGE MORE. You should have put this in the Market Forum so it could serve as a stark contrast to most of the other threads there.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
I'm not talking about random acts of kindness, I'm not talking about dumping stuff on the market that was made for badges. Did I suggest for one second that stuff like that doesn't happen? No. Did my original message seem even remotely like I was talking to you if that's why you post stuff cheap?
I'm talking to the person who's treating this like a poorly paid job, who's churning off cheap IOs like they're in a sweat-shop. I'm not telling you that manufacturing IOs to make influence is a bad thing. I'm just suggesting that you might want to make a reasonable profit out of it. |
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PK, quoting yourself like THIS is just too much, even for you. No offence, but that's just random.
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Originally Posted by Westley
Ibtl!
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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OP,
Move to the Rogue Isles; everything sells for more there.
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I list them for 5 inf myself when I'm churning them out for the FC accolade.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
I'm doing the crafter badge at the moment and have filled the SG bins and am having to sell. List them all at 10 inf and most sell instantly for 100-200inf each. Maybe it's losing me money, but it's better than deleting them and I need the space. Plus it's helping some lucky punter out.
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We don' need no stinkin' signatures!
Believe me, Knightie, nobody is trying to edge you out of the worthless generic IO market via undercutting. It's just folks with FC crafting stuff for cheap and selling it fast, or people working on getting FC, or people who just don't care.
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Actually, I'm trying to. I have each memorization badge on three different characters and I spend 90% of my game time crafting recipes to list for 100k inf. If I keep this up people will stop paying 400k+ for them and no one will be able to profit off of them!|
Originally Posted by Emberly
Believe me, Knightie, nobody is trying to edge you out of the worthless generic IO market via undercutting.
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Mwahahaha
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How about this Sam. Do you have any idea how much I'm out at the end of the day after selling my stuff for less than what it cost to craft them?|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
You know, I'll be honest here. I don't really get people who sell things for less than it cost them to make said things.
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$15 bucks. My subscription fee. No more, no less. And on the days I choose to sell all my drops at an NPC store instead of the market I'm out the same $15 bucks.
It doesn't matter how much I sell my stuff for because it's make-believe money in a pretendy fun-time game. Unlike the OP I'm not going to get my sphincter in a pinch worrying about market prices. The market has nothing I need to enjoy the game. It's an optional feature I use when the mood hits me. Usually I end up going to the market because it's closer than the NPC store.
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Yeah the RMT sites are trying to lower the prices on the market.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
I'm talking to the person who's treating this like a poorly paid job, who's churning off cheap IOs like they're in a sweat-shop.
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I admit it. It's me.
I'm spending hours and hours every day churning out "underpriced" common IOs.
What's more, I'm doing it to specifically p***-off Knightie there. 
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/this. Many times over.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
How about this Sam. Do you have any idea how much I'm out at the end of the day after selling my stuff for less than what it cost to craft them?
$15 bucks. My subscription fee. No more, no less. And on the days I choose to sell all my drops at an NPC store instead of the market I'm out the same $15 bucks. It doesn't matter how much I sell my stuff for because it's make-believe money in a pretendy fun-time game. Unlike the OP I'm not going to get my sphincter in a pinch worrying about market prices. The market has nothing I need to enjoy the game. It's an optional feature I use when the mood hits me. Usually I end up going to the market because it's closer than the NPC store. |
It's their account, let them do what they want, if your not happy with the prices then just sell at a normal store and get around 100k each for them.
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forgive the random aside here...yes I know it's what I tend to do BUT I do have a question for all you 'evil' (
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If some or all of you did band together, a likelihood of which is slim to none, would it be fully possibly for the marketeering collective to effectively tank the prices on the market as a whole or even say specific recipes?
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Please don't interpret this the wrong way, because it actually reaffirms what you're saying - I don't actually CARE why people list things for less than they're worth on the Market. That's not to say that I don't WANT to know, but merely to say that I don't NEED to know in order to enjoy it. If I see a cheap item on the Market, I enjoy it. Whether it's charity, a mistake, a sacrifice to the gods or cleaning house, it honestly doesn't change the fact that it's a bargain and I'll take it.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
How about this Sam. Do you have any idea how much I'm out at the end of the day after selling my stuff for less than what it cost to craft them?
$15 bucks. My subscription fee. No more, no less. And on the days I choose to sell all my drops at an NPC store instead of the market I'm out the same $15 bucks. |
The main point was to say that even if I don't get it, myself, I don't really HAVE to, as I absolutely accept that people do this. Their time, their Inf, their call. It's not my place to criticise.
And, really, if someone's undercutting prices, I'll sell something else. If that someone can keep undercutting prices in general, that I may not end up as rich, but it means I won't NEED to be as rich when it comes time to buy, because I'll buy off him. I've no idea how that would work out in a real-world economy where you actually have to worry about its stability, but in a game I'm perfectly happy just looking after myself and letting God and the Marketeers sort out the economy.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
You know, I'll be honest here. I don't really get people who sell things for less than it cost them to make said things... I CAN see the problem with wanting a Crafting badge, hence needing to clear space out FAST, but it still feels odd to me.
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To some people, clearing the inventory space quickly is more important than making profit. Selling on the market results in a smaller loss compared to simply deleting the item.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
How's about you let people do as they please? You don't want them to waste their time selling low, so I could be wasting my time NOT buying from the market? I can't support this.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
I cannot fathom what has the OP so worked up about this.
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I'm suggesting that you may want to take a class on how a market economy works. Specifically, if you are a seller and someone is intruding on your business by selling at a lower price than you, you can either a) stick to your guns and hope your stuff sells at a higher price, or b) lower your prices to compete. In real life there is a third option to decide the other person can't stay in business selling that low and just wait them out, but that doesn't really work here.|
Originally Posted by Knightie
I'm not talking about random acts of kindness, I'm not talking about dumping stuff on the market that was made for badges. Did I suggest for one second that stuff like that doesn't happen? No. Did my original message seem even remotely like I was talking to you if that's why you post stuff cheap?
I'm talking to the person who's treating this like a poorly paid job, who's churning off cheap IOs like they're in a sweat-shop. I'm not telling you that manufacturing IOs to make influence is a bad thing. I'm just suggesting that you might want to make a reasonable profit out of it. |
You do have another option to figure out that other people may not be "treating this like a poorly paid job" or "manufacturing IOs to make influence" - they may be treating like a... well, a game.
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I could do that on my own. I know people who have done that on their own. A group of people could easily accomplish it and sustain it for a long time by working together.|
Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
forgive the random aside here...yes I know it's what I tend to do BUT I do have a question for all you 'evil' (
) marketeers.If some or all of you did band together, a likelihood of which is slim to none, would it be fully possibly for the marketeering collective to effectively tank the prices on the market as a whole or even say specific recipes? |
I couldn't do that and make a profit. A group couldn't do that and make a profit. Essentially, the people would be throwing money into the wind.
Competition is bad for profits. Collusion is good for profits.
Forbin is my hero in this thread.
They're not grinders!
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Back on topic, yes, I sometimes sell stuff at less than it cost to make coz I need the space or am working a badge or whatnot. On the flipside, I tend to make a killer profit when, through no actions of my own, the price of some inane piece of salvage I happen to be selling SKYROCKETS and I make a ton on that without deliberately listing it for something ridiculously high. In the end, it all balances out.
Like Forbin says, it's a pretendy fun-time game. (Dude, I have to stick that in a video somewhere.)
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Like Forbin says, it's a pretendy fun-time game. (Dude, I have to stick that in a video somewhere.)
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I'd think they'd rather want to increase the prices, to generate more inf to sell, and make buying inf more attractive since the market prices would all be astronomically high.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Yeah the RMT sites are trying to lower the prices on the market.
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It's pretty much how they raked FFXI's economy across the coals, forcing SE to give the game a swift kick in the junk.
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