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How's about you let people do as they please? You don't want them to waste their time selling low, so I could be wasting my time NOT buying from the market? I can't support this.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
What you're doing is a relative waste of your time. You'll find players will pay 400,000 and even if you aren't the only one selling at that price you'll still be getting a much better return on your investment of time.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Oi, leave them alone. They can do what they want. Buying and vendoring those cheap IO Recipes is my lowbies standard way of getting a few million together for absolutely no work (well 2 minutes work).|
Originally Posted by Knightie
This is an open message to anyone prepared to sell basic IOs in Wentworth for very little profit.
In particular I'll address the most used level 50 basic IO - Recharge. Selling level 50 recharge IOs for 300,000 or less is IMO not very clever. At the rate you're earning (only accounting for the time you actually spend making the enhancements and posting them) you'd be far far better off spending your time doing task forces for merits (and inf) and then spending the merits on Miracle +Recovery IOs and selling them for around 200 million a shot. What you're doing is a relative waste of your time. You'll find players will pay 400,000 and even if you aren't the only one selling at that price you'll still be getting a much better return on your investment of time. PS. If your intention is to undercut everyone else trying to make a reasonable profit, to drive us out of the market so you can then raise your prices and still have the whole market then you can forget it, because I'm not going anywhere (and I very much doubt I'm the only one). I'm going to keep checking the prices in Wentworth, forcing you to grind away your time as that's the only way you're going to keep me from making a reasonable profit from my time. You want to work at this like it's a real job? Be my guest. It's your time to waste. When I'm not checking the market I'll be the one doing TFs and making your rate of return look pathetic. |
Keep selling cheap 50s. Think of it as charity towards the chronic Altisis-afflicted (who in turn throws all those lovely low level salvages on for 5 inf apiece).
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Originally Posted by Knightie
This is an open message to anyone prepared to sell basic IOs in Wentworth for very little profit.
In particular I'll address the most used level 50 basic IO - Recharge. Selling level 50 recharge IOs for 300,000 or less is IMO not very clever. At the rate you're earning (only accounting for the time you actually spend making the enhancements and posting them) you'd be far far better off spending your time doing task forces for merits (and inf) and then spending the merits on Miracle +Recovery IOs and selling them for around 200 million a shot. What you're doing is a relative waste of your time. You'll find players will pay 400,000 and even if you aren't the only one selling at that price you'll still be getting a much better return on your investment of time. PS. If your intention is to undercut everyone else trying to make a reasonable profit, to drive us out of the market so you can then raise your prices and still have the whole market then you can forget it, because I'm not going anywhere (and I very much doubt I'm the only one). I'm going to keep checking the prices in Wentworth, forcing you to grind away your time as that's the only way you're going to keep me from making a reasonable profit from my time. You want to work at this like it's a real job? Be my guest. It's your time to waste. When I'm not checking the market I'll be the one doing TFs and making your rate of return look pathetic. |
+recovery recipe can be bought between 80 - 100 mill [add5 mill max for salvage]
+recovery crafted IO sells for between 150 - 200 mill
I see your generic IOs and spit on them!
I craft and sell generic IOs and put them up for 10inf automatically, whats 100k these days? A boss kill or something?
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I craft and sell generic IOs and put them up for 10inf automatically, whats 100k these days? A boss kill or something?
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I'm doing the crafter badge at the moment and have filled the SG bins and am having to sell. List them all at 10 inf and most sell instantly for 100-200inf each. Maybe it's losing me money, but it's better than deleting them and I need the space. Plus it's helping some lucky punter out.
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How's about you let people do as they please? You don't want them to waste their time selling low, so I could be wasting my time NOT buying from the market?
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I sell at 5-10 inf because (a) I'm not interested in "market PVP," (b) I probably had everything drop and made it to sell to clear up room, not to make "da phat lewtz," and (c) you smell funny so why would I listen to you?
If someone gets it at 15 inf? Great! If someone gets it at 15,000,000? Great!
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Some of us are badge-hunters who have the recipe memorized. I know when I was working on Fabricator (when it was still 10k) I'd buy a stack of watches and a stack of pistons, craft up ten level 50 Recharge IOs, and put them up for just slightly over cost (factoring in market fees). I'd do this twice a day. The badge progress was my goal, the profits were gravy.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
This is an open message to anyone prepared to sell basic IOs in Wentworth for very little profit.
In particular I'll address the most used level 50 basic IO - Recharge. Selling level 50 recharge IOs for 300,000 or less is IMO not very clever. At the rate you're earning (only accounting for the time you actually spend making the enhancements and posting them) you'd be far far better off spending your time doing task forces for merits (and inf) and then spending the merits on Miracle +Recovery IOs and selling them for around 200 million a shot. What you're doing is a relative waste of your time. You'll find players will pay 400,000 and even if you aren't the only one selling at that price you'll still be getting a much better return on your investment of time. |
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Originally Posted by Knightie
This is an open message to anyone prepared to sell basic IOs in Wentworth for very little profit.
In particular I'll address the most used level 50 basic IO - Recharge. Selling level 50 recharge IOs for 300,000 or less is IMO not very clever. At the rate you're earning (only accounting for the time you actually spend making the enhancements and posting them) you'd be far far better off spending your time doing task forces for merits (and inf) and then spending the merits on Miracle +Recovery IOs and selling them for around 200 million a shot. What you're doing is a relative waste of your time. You'll find players will pay 400,000 and even if you aren't the only one selling at that price you'll still be getting a much better return on your investment of time. PS. If your intention is to undercut everyone else trying to make a reasonable profit, to drive us out of the market so you can then raise your prices and still have the whole market then you can forget it, because I'm not going anywhere (and I very much doubt I'm the only one). I'm going to keep checking the prices in Wentworth, forcing you to grind away your time as that's the only way you're going to keep me from making a reasonable profit from my time. You want to work at this like it's a real job? Be my guest. It's your time to waste. When I'm not checking the market I'll be the one doing TFs and making your rate of return look pathetic. |
Dear players suffering from cranial rectal inversions, do not attempt to presume to know the motivations of people that sell things on the market. Many of them don't give a rats rectum about the market prices of basic IO's. They are "rich" beyond their wildest dreams from selling real items like purples, and their goal is to unlock recipes they can craft on their remote crafting table.
There are also a lot of players that realize that they don't need billions of inf to play the game. They know a character can easily be self sufficient without worrying about getting the most for their drops.
There are also players that like to perform random acts of kindness, and sell stuff cheaply because they know it will get to someone that needs it.
Then there are the players that get a kick out of pissing off the market nazi's by simply selling stuff they don't need at extremely low prices. Then they get to sit back and laugh as they post angry threads on the forums.
Getting upset about people "underselling" things on the market is as stupid as getting upset that people have their forum rep turned off so you can't see if they have a positive or negative rep.
Why dont you run off to your little hole wherever that is a leave me to do as i please, you are the type that is forcing prices up at the market!!
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I don't really mean to offend, but this paragraph is wrong on so many levels it's not even funny.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
PS. If your intention is to undercut everyone else trying to make a reasonable profit, to drive us out of the market so you can then raise your prices and still have the whole market... then you can forget it, because I'm not going anywhere (and I very much doubt I'm the only one). I'm going to keep checking the prices in Wentworth, forcing you to grind away your time as that's the only way you're going to keep me from making a reasonable profit from my time. You want to work at this like it's a real job? Be my guest. It's your time to waste. When I'm not checking the market I'll be the one doing TFs and making your rate of return look pathetic. |
Like some others that play I really don't care about IOs in the slightest bit.
I am perfectly content running SOs.
So yes I will continue to sell everything at between 1 and 9 inf,depending on what button I blindly hit.
I'm not trying to balance the market or undercut anyone .. I simply do .. not ... care ..
I play this game to be a Superhero .. not a Superdaytrader
I'm not talking about random acts of kindness, I'm not talking about dumping stuff on the market that was made for badges. Did I suggest for one second that stuff like that doesn't happen? No. Did my original message seem even remotely like I was talking to you if that's why you post stuff cheap?
I'm talking to the person who's treating this like a poorly paid job, who's churning off cheap IOs like they're in a sweat-shop. I'm not telling you that manufacturing IOs to make influence is a bad thing. I'm just suggesting that you might want to make a reasonable profit out of it.
I sell everything for 5 inf, except purple recipes.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
This is an open message to anyone prepared to sell basic IOs in Wentworth for very little profit.
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Were you trying to give advice? Because it came across as a demand, which is what got peoples back up. As the top price goes to the cheapest price I'm better off listing at 10inf and snaring the 400k price than listing at 300k and hoping no one lists lower.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
I'm talking to the person who's treating this like a poorly paid job, who's churning off cheap IOs like they're in a sweat-shop.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
I'm talking to the person who's treating this like a poorly paid job, who's churning off cheap IOs like they're in a sweat-shop. I'm not telling you that manufacturing IOs to make influence is a bad thing. I'm just suggesting that you might want to make a reasonable profit out of it.
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Study Game Theory and you'll have a better understanding of why "players" of a "game" will make irrational choices.
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Whose getting paid to play!!!!
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And I would suggest that you stop trying to influence the market by driving up inflation. People already understand what the market will bear--they aren't stupid. However, assuming that the best price is always the HIGHER price...IS pretty stupid.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
I'm not talking about random acts of kindness, I'm not talking about dumping stuff on the market that was made for badges. Did I suggest for one second that stuff like that doesn't happen? No. Did my original message seem even remotely like I was talking to you if that's why you post stuff cheap?
I'm talking to the person who's treating this like a poorly paid job, who's churning off cheap IOs like they're in a sweat-shop. I'm not telling you that manufacturing IOs to make influence is a bad thing. I'm just suggesting that you might want to make a reasonable profit out of it. |
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Now .. do you really think that someone out there is intentionally undercutting you to the point of absurdity?
Or is it possible that the drop in price is due to more than us few who have spoken here actually posting things at ridiculously low prices cause we would rather play the game then waste time trying to make lots of inf that we dont need for sets and IOs that we can do without?
Because thats what I read ... I read that you actually think that someone is playing the market hardcore enough to undercut others in a way that loses massive amounts of money for no better reason than to upset you. I honestly have never met someone like that before .. EVER.
If its true then you have really got on someones bad side, but honestly I see more merit in the magic bullet theory.
I love that people post level 50 common IOs for less than it costs to craft them. It makes slotting my character less time consuming once I hit 47 and realize my OCD is forcing me to replace my level 45 common IOs.
I sniggered. I sell ALL recipes for 5 Inf. All of them. People pay me to take them off me. Profit. I cannot see who is losing out, except those trying to push prices higher. I sell common and uncommon salvage for 300, rares for 5555. The only people who can dislike me doing so are those who I've undercut, because they care more about profit than I do. I shed no tears.
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Originally Posted by Knightie
I'm talking to the person who's treating this like a poorly paid job, who's churning off cheap IOs like they're in a sweat-shop. I'm not telling you that manufacturing IOs to make influence is a bad thing. I'm just suggesting that you might want to make a reasonable profit out of it.
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Thousands of people play the game and they're unloading stuff to the market continuously. You do realize that markets are linked across all servers, right?
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Originally Posted by Knightie
This is an open message to anyone prepared to sell basic IOs in Wentworth for very little profit.
In particular I'll address the most used level 50 basic IO - Recharge. Selling level 50 recharge IOs for 300,000 or less is IMO not very clever. At the rate you're earning (only accounting for the time you actually spend making the enhancements and posting them) you'd be far far better off spending your time doing task forces for merits (and inf) and then spending the merits on Miracle +Recovery IOs and selling them for around 200 million a shot. What you're doing is a relative waste of your time. You'll find players will pay 400,000 and even if you aren't the only one selling at that price you'll still be getting a much better return on your investment of time. PS. If your intention is to undercut everyone else trying to make a reasonable profit, to drive us out of the market so you can then raise your prices and still have the whole market then you can forget it, because I'm not going anywhere (and I very much doubt I'm the only one). I'm going to keep checking the prices in Wentworth, forcing you to grind away your time as that's the only way you're going to keep me from making a reasonable profit from my time. You want to work at this like it's a real job? Be my guest. It's your time to waste. When I'm not checking the market I'll be the one doing TFs and making your rate of return look pathetic. |
a) Casual players can buy a nice crafted IO for a good price. That's a win for them.
b) Ebil marketeers, if they choose, can buy up the *supposedly* under priced IOs and flip them, and possibly make a profit (or not) if they assume some risk. That's a possible win for them.
c) Rich players and badgers can get progress for their crafting badges which means more transaction slots and/or badges. Rich players just want their goodie at any price and badgers just see this as the price for getting their shiney.
Hmm...the only one who seems to lose is the odd player who stubbornly clings to this niche when profitable ones abound.
You know, I'll be honest here. I don't really get people who sell things for less than it cost them to make said things. As far as I'm concerned, ideally I expect to see prices above what you can sell things for at the stores and below what you can buy them at from the stores. It doesn't apply to Inventions, but it's a general rule of thumb when I sell. I CAN see the problem with wanting a Crafting badge, hence needing to clear space out FAST, but it still feels odd to me.
But you know what? Odd as it may feel, I would never complain about it. People sell me recipes for FAR less than it actually costs me to make them, myself, both in terms of time and effort, so really, why WOULD I complain? So ready-made Inventions aren't a source for income. Well... Duh? What ***-to-brain logic suggests they should be? Ready-made Inventions DO NOT DROP off of anything ever. Recipes and salvage do, but Inventions do not. If you're trying to make money off the finished product, you are ALREADY treating it like a low-paid job because you're going out of your way to manufacture goods with the express purpose of turning a profit. There are other things to make a profit out of. Those Luck Charms you put into your Inventions tend to sell more easily and for more than the enhancements that you make out of them, just as an easy example.
And, really, this is a market economy. Instead of going around pointing fingers and crying "You're stealing my profit margins!" just deal with the Market as it fluctuates. If you're trying to make use of the Market, then DEAL WITH IT. I don't sell Common recipes on the Market, for instance, and it's not because I'm a sinister jerk. They just don't sell well. Not much better than I can get from a vendor, at any rate, and for a much greater waiting time. I primarily sell the things that I can list for 250 and get 50 000 in return. Things like, again, Luck Charms, Alchemical Silver, Nevermelting Ice, Scientific Theory and so on. Not all of them sell well at all times, but at any given point SOMETHING will sell well.
Basically, it comes down to this - if people want to sell the things I need cheaply, then I WILL NOT complain about them doing so. If someone has a problem with me getting cheap goods at a bargain, someone can feel free to go to hell.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Assuming you pay 1000 inf for each pice (Temporal Analyzer and Hydraulic piston can normally be snagged for 10 inf)
Thats a cost to a field crafter of 218 000.
Break even is 242 222.
300 000 inf even a profit of 57 778, which is a 19% return.
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This is an open message to anyone prepared to sell basic IOs in Wentworth for very little profit.
In particular I'll address the most used level 50 basic IO - Recharge.
Selling level 50 recharge IOs for 300,000 or less is IMO not very clever. At the rate you're earning (only accounting for the time you actually spend making the enhancements and posting them) you'd be far far better off spending your time doing task forces for merits (and inf) and then spending the merits on Miracle +Recovery IOs and selling them for around 200 million a shot.
What you're doing is a relative waste of your time. You'll find players will pay 400,000 and even if you aren't the only one selling at that price you'll still be getting a much better return on your investment of time.
PS. If your intention is to undercut everyone else trying to make a reasonable profit, to drive us out of the market so you can then raise your prices and still have the whole market then you can forget it, because I'm not going anywhere (and I very much doubt I'm the only one). I'm going to keep checking the prices in Wentworth, forcing you to grind away your time as that's the only way you're going to keep me from making a reasonable profit from my time. You want to work at this like it's a real job? Be my guest. It's your time to waste. When I'm not checking the market I'll be the one doing TFs and making your rate of return look pathetic.