Damn...I'd actually be willing to buy a server transfer to make this.
Maybe MoLRSF could be done with inspiration abuse?
Om nom nom reds, om nom nom oranges, om nom nom purples (if not softcapped):
8 Stalkers with damage capped AS would do 10121.8 damage total to a +3 Hero, assuming they all hit and the Hero has no resistances. After the initial strike, scrap a little bit under the protection of oranges/purples. Hopefully with a 31% crit rate, the target will be dead before the inspirations run out.
Repeat for each Hero.
I was thinking about this last night.
8 DM/Nins would be best imo. Softcap builds and high recharge, eat orange and red insps (few purples for debuffs) and try and spike down the AVs. Running out of insp, retreat and repeat.
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I was thinking about this last night.
8 DM/Nins would be best imo. Softcap builds and high recharge, eat orange and red insps (few purples for debuffs) and try and spike down the AVs. Running out of insp, retreat and repeat. |
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I'm a bit stunned he chose stalkers as maybe having a hard time.
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umm moitf would be stupid easy. just detach rom.
I tanked Rom on my elec/nin the other day, easy with a few orange insps to get through the autohit aura. And I thought someone had already done a MoLRSF with Stalkers?
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Not sure this was supposed to be taken personally. He didn't say Stalkers couldn't do it, he said he didn't think many groups would be patient enough to do it. I'd rather agree with him for most "Master of" TFs. Those have a bit of challenge on their own, and going for all of one AT with them is an added layer of difficulty on top of that.
Stalkers can do pretty good in the mitigation department (I soloed a mob last night on the LGTF I was on when I separated from the group, so I know this well), but it would be another thing on a "Master of" run. It'd be an interesting challenge, to be sure, but I don't know if I'd have the patience for it, either.
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A level 53 AV would have 30,071 HPs. So that would be a lot of scrapping after the group AS. For those AVs with additional resistances it could take longer to take them down than a single tray of inspirations would last. Then again maybe not, it would have to be tried. You might need a group of soft-capped Stalkers to avoid the problem.|
Originally Posted by Ethric
Maybe MoLRSF could be done with inspiration abuse?
Om nom nom reds, om nom nom oranges, om nom nom purples (if not softcapped): 8 Stalkers with damage capped AS would do 10121.8 damage total to a +3 Hero, assuming they all hit and the Hero has no resistances. After the initial strike, scrap a little bit under the protection of oranges/purples. Hopefully with a 31% crit rate, the target will be dead before the inspirations run out. Repeat for each Hero. |
Anyway if anyone wants to try it I am available on Freedom.
I'd be willing to try this with my Dark/Ninjitsu
While it wasn't a Master run, there was an all Stalker ITF on my server a while back. I wonder how feasible it would be if they tried it again.
actually thinking about it logically, stalker probably would have the hardest time completing a TF this way. Even defenders/corruptors could buff themselves enough to actually complete it i think, blasters could keep making the AV run backward and forward between them at range and they have godmode powers in epics. Dominators and controllers could stack there holds and stuff, controllers buffing each other, dominators having extra damage. Tankers wouldnt die and can kick out ok damage, brutes and scrappers are best at doing it anyway. PB and WS would be fine there too, as would soldiers and widows.
Stalkers are the only one i would think twice whether it could actually do it. It probably can, particularly with softcap defences but it would still be hard work.
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Originally Posted by Zamuel
While it wasn't a Master run, there was an all Stalker ITF on my server a while back. I wonder how feasible it would be if they tried it again.
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Most of our dying was NOT on the final encounter with Rom, though. I would even say he was probably the easiest part of the whole thing. We chomped some oranges initially to help with the auto-hit Nictus but otherwise it was surround and pound. He went down surprisingly fast, probably more due to the 31% crit rate than the Assassin Strikes. Also, because most of us were defense-based, the healer Nictus was mostly a non-factor. That's a big chunk of added hit points you don't have to deal with.It's just that there is so much opportunity for a quick death with low hit points that Castle is probably right. It'd be very trying on everyone's patience. I really don't think I'd ever bother even trying it. An All-Stalker ITF is a lot of a fun. But a master's attempt would suck pretty much all of that fun right out of it. Oh, it'd be worth bragging rights nodoubt, but it wouldn't really prove Castle's point if the team were put together according to a plan or if it were limited to just soft-capped Stalkers or something.
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Most of our dying was NOT on the final encounter with Rom, though. I would even say he was probably the easiest part of the whole thing.
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I actually moved my Stalker to Freedom during free transfer.
He's MA/Nin.
I'll subscribe to this thread to see if someone plans a run at Master LRSF.
I would if I had a stalker.
My recommendation, if anyone ends up trying this, is to attempt pulling for the last mission (run if you get too many). Taking them head on will rely too much on luck for an all stalker team, even loaded with inspirations.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind giving this a go, but my one Stalker is on Victory. So I may have to see what people there want to do. I dunno if I'd want to give the LRSF a run with this, but an ITF would be fun.
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Originally Posted by Zamuel
While it wasn't a Master run, there was an all Stalker ITF on my server a while back. I wonder how feasible it would be if they tried it again.
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The most difficult part, if I remember correctly, was actually either that dang Nictus mission or fighting the generals in the third mission. We got KOd soooooo many times.
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Yep, the Virtue All-Stalker ITF I was on was much the same. Admittedly, we were being quite careless on the "Lag Valley" mission even including aggroing the engineers on top of the walls (yes, they can see stalkers!) Were you doing this on a masters run you'd have one person pull the valley generals FIRST and avoid the ambushes entirely. Probably the worst part of that mission would be dealing with the all-EB spawn which must be taken out entirely. The individual generals are quite easy and can be handled by an 8-AS hit-and-run.|
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I was on that!
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One thing that would be pretty neat on this would be the potential for stacking some effects like Ninjitsu's Caltrops and Blinding Powder or Dark Armor's Cloak of Fear. You might end up with a surprising amount of area-control with the right builds... but then again that's not Castle's Challenge, which is about having good people, not just the "right" builds.
What I think would be more fun than a Master's ITF is an All-Stalker Speed ITF. I think it plays right to the Stalker's strength of surgical strikes. Kill just who you have to and move on. Course, there'd be tons of dying too but that's part of the fun.
Being careful? Not fun, but that's just my opinion.
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