Oshi-
*shrugs*
If this is the intended balance for shields then I think shield users should generally rejoice that we got nerfed so little. SR characters can easily be soft capped without using a single BoTZ set.
Sure adjustments to builds need to be made so a lot of defensive builds may be sporting less recharge, less regen, less recovery, but it still leaves them plenty formidable. Just FYI, my fully IO'ed (purpled, PvP IO'ed) fire/shield will probably come out of this with about 5% less recharge, a little less regen, a little less hitpoints and a little less recovery. However she'll be gaining a bit more smash/lethal resistance to make up for it due to slotting of a couple of Aegis to make up lost AoE.
I only have one set but it hurts so I have to go back and redo my entire build again plus the other IO changes gerr gets old sometimes
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Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
As a slight digression, what are the impending changes to the +Recovery Uniques? Just trying to salvage some builds here.
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I wish I could say the same, my Dark/Shield loses 20% recharge, over 39% regeneration and about .25 end/sec recovery. Not to mention the slotting in DC is now underpar.
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Originally Posted by Fury Flechette
*shrugs*
If this is the intended balance for shields then I think shield users should generally rejoice that we got nerfed so little. SR characters can easily be soft capped without using a single BoTZ set. Sure adjustments to builds need to be made so a lot of defensive builds may be sporting less recharge, less regen, less recovery, but it still leaves them plenty formidable. Just FYI, my fully IO'ed (purpled, PvP IO'ed) fire/shield will probably come out of this with about 5% less recharge, a little less regen, a little less hitpoints and a little less recovery. However she'll be gaining a bit more smash/lethal resistance to make up for it due to slotting of a couple of Aegis to make up lost AoE. |
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So you're saying that BotZ isn't the only IO set that is currently being "rebalanced" in closed beta? Interesting.
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Originally Posted by StormDevil
As a slight digression, what are the impending changes to the +Recovery Uniques? Just trying to salvage some builds here.
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Yea, after making adjustments doesn't really hurt my /sr
Lost about 28% regen and .03% recovery
but
End drain went down by .05
Rech went up 5%
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Not sure. I've seen it mentioned in a few threads here and there that the Mircale, Numina's, and Regenerative Tissue Uniques were being tweaked, but I haven't seen anything verified yet.|
Originally Posted by Myriad
So you're saying that BotZ isn't the only IO set that is currently being "rebalanced" in closed beta? Interesting.
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EDIT: Heh, I just went into Mids to make the relevant adjustments and ended up with a /Dark that recovers 4.4 EPS w/o Death Shroud on, 3.03 EPS with. Sure, Defense and global Recharge/Accuracy took hits, but I think I actually ended up with a better overall build.
After making some modifications to my DM/SD I think I might just have to settle for being softcapped to melee only.
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was about to put 3 sets of these things on my tanker...
Well this sucks, all of my /SD toons are getting hit hard. All of them had at least 2 BoTz sets in them. It's for the better and having 40+ defense is still good, and with the way I have been playing lately I mostly won't noice it at all.
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Hell, the good news is that anyone who still wants to use them in a build can start getting them at vastly discounted prices.
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To the best of my knowledge, none of those Unique IO's have been altered. I think the values people are quoting as changed come from having to sacrifice other IO sets and replace them with different sets to retain the same level of defensive coverage, resulting in net losses elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by StormDevil
Not sure. I've seen it mentioned in a few threads here and there that the Mircale, Numina's, and Regenerative Tissue Uniques were being tweaked, but I haven't seen anything verified yet.
EDIT: Heh, I just went into Mids to make the relevant adjustments and ended up with a /Dark that recovers 4.4 EPS w/o Death Shroud on, 3.03 EPS with. Sure, Defense and global Recharge/Accuracy took hits, but I think I actually ended up with a better overall build. |
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Many thanks for the clarification. |
Originally Posted by Castle
To the best of my knowledge, none of those Unique IO's have been altered. I think the values people are quoting as changed come from having to sacrifice other IO sets and replace them with different sets to retain the same level of defensive coverage, resulting in net losses elsewhere.
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Castle:
There was a bug where the uniques were/are being affected by the other enhacements
March 2nd live patch notes:
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The same bug affect the Miracle and Regen tissues, so the assumption is that those will get fixed as well.
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Invention * Fixed a bug that would cause Numina's Convalescence: +Regen/+Recovery to have its effects boosted by being slotted in a power with enhancements that would increase regeneration or recovery rates. |
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Funny, I've not gotten the bug report for those. Maybe one of the others did. In any case, yes...if they have that same issue, they'll be addressed at some point.|
Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
Castle:
There was a bug where the uniques were/are being affected by the other enhacements March 2nd live patch notes: The same bug affect the Miracle and Regen tissues, so the assumption is that those will get fixed as well. |
EDIT: Yeah, those have the same issue. Here's a list of all the IO's affected as of today:
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Tempest: Chance for Endurance Drain Entropic Chaos: Chance to Heal Self Impervium Armor: Psionic Resistance Regenerative Tissue: Regeneration Miracle: +Recovery Call of the Sandman: Chance to Heal Self Freebird: Stealth Unbounded Leap: Stealth Celerity: Stealth TimeSpace Manipulation: Stealth Rectified Reticle: Increased Perception Deflated Ego: Chance for Recovery Debuff
Oh oh.
I don't like the look of that list. I also don't understand how some of those could have the same problems as Numina ++. But there may be a power I'm not considering.
50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM
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It just means that those IOs are missing the "Unaffected by buffs and enhancements" tag. I don't think there's any way to, say, slot a +stealth IO in a way that would give it a bonus to the magnitude of the stealth effect. Similarly, you couldn't boost Call of the Sandman heal proc unless you dropped it in a sleep power that you could throw a heal enhancement in.|
Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
Oh oh.
I don't like the look of that list. I also don't understand how some of those could have the same problems as Numina ++. But there may be a power I'm not considering. |
Edit: Or a golgi, I suppose - there might be various hami-o's that would do that, as you can often slot HOs with random bonuses that don't do anything for the power they are in.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same. You could buff some of those with powers, like Power Boost, or perhaps the various Mystic Fortune buffs.|
Originally Posted by ShadowPuppet
It just means that those IOs are missing the "Unaffected by buffs and enhancements" tag. I don't think there's any way to, say, slot a +stealth IO in a way that would give it a bonus to the magnitude of the stealth effect.
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I wonder how many people have been benefiting from the Impervium Armor piece being enhanceable, though.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
The PvP guys are gonna complain that the purple sleep proc (chance for placate) isn't on the to-do list since it's procing 100% of the time on some psi blaster power (Will Dom I think).
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I got lucky, just finished looking at mid's and if I'm willing to spend the influence on a purple set I won't lose anything(even then only 5% recharge) for my fire/shield.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
I wish I could say the same, my Dark/Shield loses 20% recharge, over 39% regeneration and about .25 end/sec recovery. Not to mention the slotting in DC is now underpar.
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But at the same time I was able to fit in two more damage procs into my attack chain. So this change actually helped me.
edit: Nvm, I lost about 75 max hit points(though my regen went up so hp/sec is about the same) and my DDR went down a little bit.
Gerr well I had to shift slots around I have two options I can keep Combat Jumping or to maneuvers.
If i keep combat Jumping I have to move my early lotg to the late 40's with the other one
I had worked out a respec yesterday where i could get another 7.5% to 15% increase in recharge depending on what i decided on
So with the options the stats will stay the same I lose a the chance of 15% recharge to only being able to add in 5% more recharge
The kicker is if I wanted to just go with the 7.5% recharge I could have kept my extra 20% slow resistant which has come in handy. I no longer have that option with out losing defense gerr oh well I will deal with it and move on
Glad I did not just waste it then i would have been really upset; so Castle I am glad you put it out because I am a lot less upset then having wasted a respec on a build to lose everything I just had. So for me the change is a minor adjustment I have one build in the works only 2 toal zypher in it and it will not be effected much because it is a db/elec and i was only hitting like 30% range defense so it drops to 29% or so
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
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I just checked, and unless the Combat Attributes are wrong, resistance enhancements are *not* enhancing that piece. I'm getting the appropriate 6% res total from two of them on my Tanker. And my total Psi Res is adding up correctly.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Yeah, I was thinking the same. You could buff some of those with powers, like Power Boost, or perhaps the various Mystic Fortune buffs.
I wonder how many people have been benefiting from the Impervium Armor piece being enhanceable, though. |
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It's always possible the CAs are wrong, but they're how we noticed most of the other stuff that worked this way. Curious. I wonder what Castle's seeing.
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Originally Posted by Liquid
I just checked, and unless the Combat Attributes are wrong, resistance enhancements are *not* enhancing that piece. I'm getting the appropriate 6% res total from two of them on my Tanker. And my total Psi Res is adding up correctly.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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