Should Dual Pistols get a +def bonus?

If the dual pistol is designed after Wanted/Equilibrium type style of combat, it would make sense that the attacks be defensive as well. The +def would be only active during the longish animations.

I actually like this idea. The amount of +def would have to be quite low, but it would be really interesting.

I'm sure the devs have a close eye on DP. Time will tell wheather there needs to be an adjustment. My impression is that the Devs would rather a new set be underpowered when it is introduced rather than overpowered. The nerf backlash is just plain nasty.

ask again in 3 years when they'll look at the set.

The other side of this is that, well, Dual Pistols is a blast set... those sets can affect mobs, but they don't give the user defense.

Getting defense is a great idea on a Blaster, but you're not going to get it from a blast set. That would be a significant change to how blast sets work, and I can't see the devs doing it (or thinking it necessary).

As people have said, if there are adjustments really needed for the set, they'll make them: but it will be to animation times, or damage, recharge, etc.

I'd like to see a decent amount of defense added only to Hail of Bullets, and only while the animation was playing. That would make it a lot more usable without unbalancing the set as a whole. Adding defense in general would be a bad idea since blast sets aren't supposed to have mitigation other than enemy-affecting things like knockback or stuns / holds from control powers. I could see making a special case for a four second defense boost during HoB since it is so much worse than every other nuke, but adding defense in general would be asking for trouble (and future nerfs).

Dual Pistols is probably balanced pretty well from what I can see so far.

But if it were granted anything like that I would say it should be - To Hit. This is probably thematically more accurate as it would be like cover fire making it more difficult for people to get a good accurate shot at you.

But to be honest I'd get out of the way and take cover from any of the other blast attacks probably more than I would the Dual Pistols. Think about it a lot of things are bullet proof, they won't be scared and ducking from a couple little guns pointing at them.

Blast sets just don't seem to have access to that kind of thing. If they did they should be in the form of a Debuff.

I agree, it'd be much easier to cut the recharge time or increase damage.

It's just disappointing to see these animations indicate that you're capable of superhuman dodging while not actually providing any defense.

I'm liking the sound of a tohit debuff though.

Dual guns that "borrow" gun kata animations yet the purpose to shoot in those ways, is to avoid other trajectories blah blah like it says on gun fu or the equilibrium site, yet the blaster is weak as hell. Those guns should have been mixed with melee pistol attacks and made scrapper, brute and I guess tank. So we could at least stand up to things and pretend we dodged it, without getting 2 shotted each spawn. If not, take it out of the game, do it right and put it back in on the right classes. It has no business in there if it's only half done, fast design. Added with no understanding of what it even should be like or is about.

*sighs*

Every time someone says Dual Pistols should be/have been a Scrapper set, a little puppy dies. Been discussed to death, shot down by the devs, stop bringing it up already! Think of the puppies! Think of the trauma to my brain!

Also, Dual Pistols is NOT the Gun Kata from Equilibrium. They just went for fancy moves with the pistols, Equilibrium being just one of many movies that did that. If you want defense, get it from Weave, IOs, etc. It makes sense for a Blaster to do it, I do it with all of mine. But don't expect a nuke to do it. It just doesn't match how those blast nukes work.

Seriously, argue for a rational improvement to Hail of Bullets to at least get your foot in the door with an improvement to the set. You might get Castle to agree to it if you made him really, really drunk, but then he'd sober up eventually (and I wouldn't put my money on it while he was drunk, either).

Grey Pilgrim beat me to it.

I never thought of Hail of Bullets as a nuke. Just more of a PBAoE Full Auto. And I don't consider Full Auto a nuke.

Nobody complains that they're vulnerable while the Full Auto animation is playing, so what's with all the moaning for Dual Pistols in general?

Duel pistols is technically still in the development stage, the Devs are more than likely judging the player base usage and the feedback, and deciding if they should bring it up to other set standards or leave it as a below the average, flashy set like they did for duel blades.