Animated Tails are coming


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Originally Posted by Lycanus View Post
This is even better than animated tails.

So many of my characters lose their tails in some costumes and I have to pull an excuse like "oh it's wrapped around her stomach like a belt" because that's all I can use to explain it.
Do you get asked about that a lot?


 

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*cries*
I can't draw humanoids at all. I love all your peoples art but I can't do anything close to it. Some day I need to pay someone to do pictures for some of my characters. I love to make characters and write stories for them. grr.


 

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Do you get asked about that a lot?
Not me much. Now it just bugs me how they have the tails so high up on the body. but then most games do that. a tail wouldn't exit from that point. I am so nitpicky. lol


 

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*cries*
I can't draw humanoids at all. I love all your peoples art but I can't do anything close to it. Some day I need to pay someone to do pictures for some of my characters. I love to make characters and write stories for them. grr.
i could recomend a few guys.....


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Do you get asked about that a lot?
hey Babs can i ask why your Avvy looks so Grainy/low rez, i mean you guy OWN the art assets to the Freedom Phalanx so soulnt your avvy be all clean


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*cries*
I can't draw humanoids at all. I love all your peoples art but I can't do anything close to it. Some day I need to pay someone to do pictures for some of my characters. I love to make characters and write stories for them. grr.
Meh, I can draw bodies and anthro faces pretty well. Its human faces that are now giving me problems, because I stopped practicing them to try and get good at the other faces.
I was never that good at human face anyway. I tend to err on the side of realism, and I find myself not so much slipping as running, jumping and diving into the uncanny valley


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Well actually it's like saying I dislike [Character] because he appears everywhere, under countless forms. Over-exposure: please don't drag the self-persecution into this.
That's fair too. Where is this, then? *curious*


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I just hope there's a corresponding "yank tail" emote that will allow other characters to give those lag tags a good pull.


 

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hey Babs can i ask why your Avvy looks so Grainy/low rez, i mean you guy OWN the art assets to the Freedom Phalanx so soulnt your avvy be all clean
He's the Back Alley Brawler, he's supposed to be all rough and gritty!


 

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I just hope there's a corresponding "yank tail" emote that will allow other characters to give those lag tags a good pull.

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Lets not forget the highest grossing movie that lots of people must like, it even had one of those "Horrible furry sex" sceens.
Actually, the "Horrible furry sex" scene was cut out of the final version, but will be back in an extended version, although depending on where in the cutting process it got removed, it may resemble, in James Cameron's words, a "cheesy videogame" if it was cut before the final effects were generated.


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Animated tails are not capes. [snipped] They've also been put on their own costume node and will now show up under "Lower Body". Which will mean you can do a Belt and a Tail (animated or static) on the same character.
Is it a butt slot?..


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All of this is great news, even though I had been against one character being able to bank-roll another without risk, I suppose with the new content, it really doesn't matter that much anymore.
The inability to do so is one of the main reasons my characters are restricted mostly to one server. I might branch out more if I don't have to start all over again without several years worth of savings and an already-built base.


 

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It's true, taking it too far slips into something called the 'Uncanny Valley', to get all film/animation technical on ya'll.

See, there's even Science behind all this stuff!
Actually, there isn't really. There's a lot of talk about it, and it's a particularly virulent internet meme, but very little actual science.


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Do you get asked about that a lot?
I've been asked pretty often where Shocks tail is. I really like how the excessplus bottom looks with the cyborg belt, so she doesn't have one :| She will in I17 tho! yay!


 

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I've been asked pretty often where Shocks tail is. I really like how the excessplus bottom looks with the cyborg belt, so she doesn't have one :| She will in I17 tho! yay!
EGADS another pink haired cyborg catgirl!
http://nekollx.deviantart.com/art/GI-Gina-111754243


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Maybe when I17 comes out we might get a flood of non nekos
Grr I hate nekos so much. Sorry it is cause there is so many of them. There oversaturated. To many cat girls for me. Need more wolves.


 

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I see your anthros and raise you one I like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rmbN6-T-UE
Holy... Frikkin... HELL!!! I... I know I'm supposed to comment on the sexy here, but HOLY HELL! That animation is GORGEOUS! Whoever did this buster their *** lip-syncing and smoothing out fluent animations and just... Wow... I'm a sucker for good animation, I really am. I've been known to watch stupid things (like A.T.O.M.) just because they're well-animated, and this is just beautiful AND well-drawn. In fact, it reminds me of whoever artist it was that drew that Gilligan's Isle comic. Those who know what I'm talking about will know what I mean.

This is just superb artwork. All the way. Animation that switches angles like this is just pure gold, and it doesn't go the frikkin' cheap Hanna-Barbera route of having a static sprite with an anime-animated mouth flapping, these guys have full-body animation in every frame. And it's not just a lot of work, it's actually done with style and skill in a way that just ties together beautifully. It's the kind of artwork that puts major animation studios to shame. If anything, it reminds of the Stickman vs. Door flick that used to be so popular, because it demonstrates that you don't need fancy graphics, Photoshop filters, huge colouring or really anything than charcoal black and paper white to make a good animation. Well, that and ARTISTIC ABILITY!

And, yeah... Sexy, completely forgot about that. Look, I'm sorry about geeking out about animation techniques and completely neglecting the actual sexy for two fat paragraphs, and yes, I know this probably speaks very badly for me as a person, but... Yeah, sexy... I really love how this is done. It has no nudity in it, but that's the charm of it - it doesn't need it. Through a combination of sexy back, suggestive faces and the three idiots' reactions, the message gets carried through well enough without overstepping any real boundaries. Of course, anyone familiar with the genre will recognise this as one of the cornerstone approaches to this sort of thing, but it works well in this video. And yet...

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and you know what all the bleepin furry hate made this video get a adult tag. I call Foul. What about this dang video screams only adults more then the orginal video for stacy's mom?
Can I beat the crap out of the people that flagged the video?
Yes, that confounded me, as well. I mean, sure, it's kind of suggestive, but I specifically looked up the original video for Stacy's Mom. Not only is it DULL by comparison, but its sexappeal is just... Crude. It's your run-of-the-mill cheesecake strutting about like in, I don't know... EVERY MUSIC VIDEO EVER MADE? Seriously, how do music videos escape the censors, but a no-worse-by-comparison cartoon gets flagged for mature content? I had to dig out my old account for this, and I am GLAD I did, because artwork and directing of this magnitude are just priceless finds.

That's a one in a million, Merlin. Thank you

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cough don't you notice who is the artist in the video?
It is fred perry. The creator of gold digger.
I really love his stuff. He does great comics. Also love the FFXI web comic he does. He can draw good characters, and do sex appeal if you want. For both ladies and guys.
Never mind, answered my own question. I've had that name saved on a variety of computers, but I was never able to remember it. Cool, that puts a name on the artist so I know what to look for. And he is a DAMN GOOD artist, at that. I've seen a LOT of comics stuff, believe me when I say this. Both anthro and more regular, and Fred Perry is one of the BEST artists around. He has a very distinct style in both physique and personality that just works. And not just based on pure technical artwork. It works because it has an impact above and beyond theory. I'll definitely have to look up a few more of his works, possibly finish Gold Digger, too. I just knew that artwork looked familiar


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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It's true, taking it too far slips into something called the 'Uncanny Valley', to get all film/animation technical on ya'll.

It's the reason we tend to see humanoid robots and things like zombies as freaky.
I even have a graph! *gasp*



Basically, certain styles of anthro can sit etiehr before or after the valley. They tend to have enough human traits and aspects that make people able to sympathise with them. The ones that people tend to find repulsive are, usually, the ones that have slipped into the valley. Either that, or the viewew is simply that intolerant that they label anything anthro/furry as evil and wish to burn it.
I might be repeating myself, but I still believe that the uncanny valley has less to do with specific likeness to humans and more with our innate tendency to trust other people, or at most animals we're very familiar with, like our pet dog or cat. In this sense, it's not a question of human-likeness other than by coincidence, and more a question of characters that have human abilities and dangers, but not human conscience and ethics. So as a mole girl with cloven feet and paws and a rat face, yet with breasts and a fashionable waste is freaky, but a woman with a human face and generally human body but inhuman skin colour, four-finger hands, a tail, ears and possibly an exposed spine is much more acceptable. The latter is a slightly odd human, whereas the former is a very human-like monster.

Let me give you an easy example of why this is trust. Guns kill people, but seeing a uniform police officer carrying a gun on his belt hardly ever causes people to so much as raise an eyebrow. Yes, if he flipped out, a policeman could shoot a LOT of people and no-one could really do much to stop him, but we trust police officers to be responsible, reliable people. Because they are. Because they put their lives on the line for us every day. Because we depend on them. So a policeman carrying a gun is not scary. We trust the officer, so it's actually reassuring.

Now imagine a barefoot drunk hobo carrying a gun and coming towards you. Would YOU trust that this is perfectly safe and that he's probably just on his way to his cardboard box? Or will you get the hell out of there? I know I'd scream like a little girl and run like hell, myself. The thing is, and I don't mean to insult homeless people with this, that we do not trust hobos. Specific ones could be the most wonderful, erudite people, but the public impression of them is that of desperate, drunk and possibly psychotic unpredictable people that you give a wide enough birth to where they can't harm you. One carrying a gun, therefore, looks extremely dangerous, and because we can't trust a hobo with a gun to not be desperate, drunk and possibly psychotic and, by extension, perfectly willing to shoot us for no good reason, we are afraid of them.

Now marry this fear with forced coexistence. In the real world, we find comfort by sticking to the things we trust and avoiding the things we don't. We don't walk down dark alleys in the middle of the night and we stick to the comfort of our locked-up home. A movie, a comic book, a story or even a game has the uncanny tendency to take these experiences and put them right in the living room with us. It's the difference between seeing a brutish thug of a man in the street and having to be room-mates with said man every day. In the street, you can just walk the other way and you'll be fine. In every-day life, you're always within reach of being harmed, which turns a lack of trust into fear, and that fear in actual, physical torture. Having grown up in SORT OF an environment like this, I can assure you that this is not nice, and the mind does its best to hide from it, eventually developing hatred for the thing we don't trust.

Again, how this relates to anthropomorphic artwork is by extension. Stories work their way into our heads and make us care about their characters. If these are characters we'd be capable of trusting in real life and rooming with, then we can relate with them and the story is good. If these are characters that we couldn't trust and would make us uncomfortable to be with, then the story becomes dissonant, fiercely trying to make us care about things we find distrustful. Our subconscious refuses, eventually disliking the story itself, and so we hate. It's actually a very natural subconscious process.

I remember a movie in the vein of the Tales from the Crypt, in fact, that was kind of like this. Disgusting, slimy, smelly aliens crashed on Earth and have been hypnotising people into seeing them as beautiful women, marrying them and living together. However, after a year, their husbands grow immune to the mind control and start seeing them for what they really are, so they kill them, move on and marry again. One of the aliens really does fall in love with "her" husband, but as he starts realising what she is, he grows more and more neurotic, until her final attempt to explain is her yelling "LOVE ME!" and rushing over to hug him while the man spazzes out. And, frankly, if someone you loved suddenly turned into a hideous monster and rushed over to hug you, most people's minds WILL panic in just that way. That was a rather serious concern of mine with Mass Effect 2's Tali, in fact, though things turned out all right there.

Basically, I wouldn't criticise people who dislike this stuff as long as they're willing to rationalise it, and I would take care to make my own inhuman characters just human enough to be relatable, yet inhuman enough to be perceived as different.


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Holy... Frikkin... HELL!!! I... I know I'm supposed to comment on the sexy here, but HOLY HELL! That animation is GORGEOUS! Whoever did this buster their *** lip-syncing and smoothing out fluent animations and just... Wow... I'm a sucker for good animation, I really am. I've been known to watch stupid things (like A.T.O.M.) just because they're well-animated, and this is just beautiful AND well-drawn. In fact, it reminds me of whoever artist it was that drew that Gilligan's Isle comic. Those who know what I'm talking about will know what I mean.

This is just superb artwork. All the way. Animation that switches angles like this is just pure gold, and it doesn't go the frikkin' cheap Hanna-Barbera route of having a static sprite with an anime-animated mouth flapping, these guys have full-body animation in every frame. And it's not just a lot of work, it's actually done with style and skill in a way that just ties together beautifully. It's the kind of artwork that puts major animation studios to shame. If anything, it reminds of the Stickman vs. Door flick that used to be so popular, because it demonstrates that you don't need fancy graphics, Photoshop filters, huge colouring or really anything than charcoal black and paper white to make a good animation. Well, that and ARTISTIC ABILITY!

And, yeah... Sexy, completely forgot about that. Look, I'm sorry about geeking out about animation techniques and completely neglecting the actual sexy for two fat paragraphs, and yes, I know this probably speaks very badly for me as a person, but... Yeah, sexy... I really love how this is done. It has no nudity in it, but that's the charm of it - it doesn't need it. Through a combination of sexy back, suggestive faces and the three idiots' reactions, the message gets carried through well enough without overstepping any real boundaries. Of course, anyone familiar with the genre will recognise this as one of the cornerstone approaches to this sort of thing, but it works well in this video. And yet...



Yes, that confounded me, as well. I mean, sure, it's kind of suggestive, but I specifically looked up the original video for Stacy's Mom. Not only is it DULL by comparison, but its sexappeal is just... Crude. It's your run-of-the-mill cheesecake strutting about like in, I don't know... EVERY MUSIC VIDEO EVER MADE? Seriously, how do music videos escape the censors, but a no-worse-by-comparison cartoon gets flagged for mature content? I had to dig out my old account for this, and I am GLAD I did, because artwork and directing of this magnitude are just priceless finds.

That's a one in a million, Merlin. Thank you

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Never mind, answered my own question. I've had that name saved on a variety of computers, but I was never able to remember it. Cool, that puts a name on the artist so I know what to look for. And he is a DAMN GOOD artist, at that. I've seen a LOT of comics stuff, believe me when I say this. Both anthro and more regular, and Fred Perry is one of the BEST artists around. He has a very distinct style in both physique and personality that just works. And not just based on pure technical artwork. It works because it has an impact above and beyond theory. I'll definitely have to look up a few more of his works, possibly finish Gold Digger, too. I just knew that artwork looked familiar
You know...I was going to check out that link. But Sam's review forced me too. Wow! It was good!


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Holy... Frikkin... HELL!!! I... I know I'm supposed to comment on the sexy here, but HOLY HELL! That animation is GORGEOUS! Whoever did this buster their *** lip-syncing and smoothing out fluent animations and just... Wow... I'm a sucker for good animation, I really am.
You see that name by the video title? Yeah, by Fred Perry and that video is old. I played FFXI around the time he played. Kinda popular guy I'd say. He had a FFXI web comic too in that style.


 

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You see that name by the video title? Yeah, by Fred Perry and that video is old. I played FFXI around the time he played. Kinda popular guy I'd say. He had a FFXI web comic too in that style.
Yeah, I should have looked more closely. I was a bit too smitten with the video itself to think straight Old or not, that video is great, and while I didn't have a name to put on him, I recognised the artist. While many artists just have this... Generic style about them, Fred Perry's style is one that I can spot from space, partly because it's unique, and partly because it's just so strong.

And again, not to criticise other artists, specifically as giftless git, myself, but I just tend to prefer artists with something more specific to their artwork. Especially when it comes to Manga, where 90% of the things may as well have been drawn by the same, like, two people. In fact, "interesting" artwork can sometimes trump "good" artwork for me. For instance, let's look at Wagner's work. I HATE his artwork, I really do. His taste just doesn't appeal to me at all, with those over-exaggerated forms, long pointy fingernails and sinister motifs. Yet at the same time, I LOVE his artwork, I really do. His skill, composition, after-effects, colouring... That artwork is beautiful. Confusing, but beautiful. I enjoy his skill in artwork, just not his taste in artwork.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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I just hope there's a corresponding "yank tail" emote that will allow other characters to give those lag tags a good pull.
Even better, how about a "paw at tail" emote. Like cats do to other cats.


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Long but well written Sam-Post.
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Second long but well written Sam-Post.
I think you've got some good points in there. It's probably why certain nightmares are freakier than others. The ones where you reckognise things, places, people, but they aren't quite right. It's a bit like someone or something invading your head. Actually, thats probably a good reaction to base most peoples encounters with psychics on, in game. It'd be pretty damn unsetlling, really.

And no, theres nothing wrong with freaking out over gorgeous animation I too was nerding out over that, given Im doing an Animation Degree atm. (I say doing one...more like flunking and spending too much time on PC and Xbox games >_> I have a weak will, ok?)
And hinting at sexy is always better than simply out and out showing it. The mind is an incredibly flexible thing.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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