Farming and Power Leveling in CoX


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Farming and power leveling are fine as long as you learn how to play and don't subject others to will full ignorance.

Exploiting is bad though.
And only Positron's pitiless banhammer knows where the exact dividing line lies


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There are alot of people who feel very strongly about this topic.
Obviously. However, it's an honest inquiry, on my part. Thank you for contributing.


 

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Obviously. However, it's an honest inquiry, on my part. Thank you for contributing.
LOL. Welcome to the forums. I can see you are new here.


 

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Am I too late for the popcorn?


 

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I don't pay their subscription fee, so what they do doesn't bother me.
Can I pay your subscription, and you go play another game??


 

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Can I pay your subscription, and you go play another game??
No, Can I offer you the same deal?


 

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Look, this topic is old.

There's a bunch of people who don't want to work for drops/money in this game and think it should be handed to them on a silver platter.

Then, there is a bunch of people who work for their drops and their ingame currency.

That is how it is. There is no discussion beyond that.
Except that it isn't, especially from a farmer who has in the past complained that the 2 billion inf cap on characters isn't high enough.

Powerleveling is a big problem when it promotes player churn - "hey, I got to lvl 50 in three days of MA missions and there is nothing to do, this game sucks, I'm leaving" - and because powerleveling and in-game exploits tend to have a passing relationship. Powerlevelers can also distort in-game information about a title from internal and external observers ("I soloed the Hamidon, he's easy!") - since they generally use power builds, they can make other players on a team feel irrelevant and help drive (sometimes very needed) nerfs towards particular powers. And no-one likes nerfs, especially nerfs that hit powers in unexpected ways. Except this guy. He looks very happy with nerfs.

Farming creates problems with the amount of resources flowing into a game and the associated problem of mudflation. Most MMOs - and CoH/V is included - are lousy at getting rid of all the resources that are created out of thin air, which causes a constant rate of inflation / devaluing of the in-game currency. Before CoH/V had a market, that didn't matter, since the vast majority of in-game prices were fixed, but since the markets (WW / BM) have been implemented this has become a problem. Farmers can afford to drop millions on the things they want, freezing out non-farming players from being able to afford them. (And this, ironically, creates a condition that RMTers can exploit - by selling to non-farmers the inf they need to get what they want.)

Here's the thing: at the micro- / individual level, PP is right - it doesn't really matter provided it isn't against the EULA / TOS. At the macro / whole-of-game level however, it matters a lot.


 

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I havent seen anything that Farmers/PLers have done in this game, to really make me quit.


People just like to complain about this topic.


 

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This thread along with it's clone in Suggestions, are just fun.
I am not dictating anything, but I fail to see why we needed another thread, going over this again.

This thread isnt even as much fun as the one over there in Suggestions.
I fail to see why someone would need to ask for more info on something that's coming again and again across multiple threads in the same day.


 

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I fail to see why someone would need to ask for more info on something that's coming again and again across multiple threads in the same day.
There are just certain topics that seem to have their syndication on an infinite loop contract...


 

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I havent seen anything that Farmers/PLers have done in this game, to really make me quit.


People just like to complain about this topic.
I almost stopped playing during the AE farm days because of the farmers. I got sick of getting tell after tell from people demanding that I join their farm. A large number of them would swear at me when I would say "No thank you. I don't do AE farms. They bore me." Then there were the lvl50 AE babies that would stand around complaining that the game was lame because it only had one zone. They didn't know there was any zone other than Atlas. If you honestly think that players like that didn't hurt the game, then there is nothing else that can be said.


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You know, "the next morning" you're trying to forget all the stupid things that happened last night and doing your best to NOT have to explain why you have your underwear on the otuside of your pants. Then a week later, everyone's moved on with their lives, forgotten all about it and life goes back to normal. Then suddenly someone strikes a conversation like "Duuude! You were, like, so wild at that party! When you started taking you pants off, it was like... Woah! Dude!"

That's kind of like how I feel with this thread.


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Farming DID lead to a few high level missions having timers now that didn't used to.

It also got Family xp and influence values reduced.

PLing led to some of the most ignorant players I have ever seen in the game. Specifically AE PLing. A level 50 that doesn't know how to get to Steel Canyon is just sad. Thankfully the majority of those players have since A) learned how to play and became competent players, or B) whined that there was nothing to do and left.

They do affect the game, but most of the time they will not affect your individual play experience.

I personally PL my new characters past the low level content that I've seen hundreds of times before, but once I get to the late teens/early 20s I play normally from there on out.

I hate farming, but have no issue with farmers.

That's my stance on the whole thing.


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I don't farm because I find it BORING.

However, if other people want to treat their game like a part or full-time job, they are free to do so. Just means cheaper stuff for me to buy in the future.

PLing? I don't see the point. I enjoy the entire game, from 1-50.


 

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I fail to see why someone would need to ask for more info on something that's coming again and again across multiple threads in the same day.


 

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Allllll right.


 

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I PL. I also play the game regularly.

Oh, I speed TFs too. Just because I can, because it's fun. Sometimes it's for the merits, sometimes it's just to see how blisteringly fast we can do it. Do we die a lot? Oh yeah. It's fun though.

Again, I play regularly too. I don't mind going slow, and I don't mind doing regular missions. That's fun too.


 

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Hitler loved to farm. From what I read on the Interwebz he was responsible for many a PL farmzexploitinz over the years.





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A lot of people feel strongly about this topic, which is why it comes up a lot. I feel like both sides of the debate end up talking past each other.

What this debate is really about is not controlling other players but determining game direction. That's the reason game developers (of this game and of others) and many players find farming distasteful; it violates their sense of what the game "means." In a nutshell, even if an individual is not directly inconvenienced, he or she is still affected because a game heavy in farming changes in substance. A game is more than a sum of its environments, characters, and markets. There is a "spirit of the game" element that carries a lot of importance.

Personally, I don't blame farmers for farming. They do it because game design rewards it. I also don't blame the game developers for making farmable content. Writing content that promotes fun while avoiding power-grind mechanics is very difficult.

But I will say that it's frustrating that in the current state of the game, a lot of focus is paid to "steam rolling" content, with very few challenges that break this mold. What this has done is placed a lot of emphasis on certain very specific powers and powersets and, in a lot of ways, not only legitimized farming but devalued character types that can't do it. I think it is pretty disappointing that once a character gets to 50, the only way to realistically continue to build the character are either to play the market or farm, because the game is geared very heavily toward random drop rewards instead of activity-based rewards. There are merit rewards, of course, but outfitting a character using only merits is very difficult, and mission mechanics make it very difficult for teamed characters to get merits at all outside of Task Forces.


 

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Hitler loved to farm. From what I read on the Interwebz he was responsible for many a PL farmzexploitinz over the years.

Did it work??
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Sorry. Attempting to blatantly Godwin a thread generates an Anti-Godwin force exactly equal to the Godwin's magnitude.
Dark Godwin Energy?


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But I will say that it's frustrating that in the current state of the game, a lot of focus is paid to "steam rolling" content, with very few challenges that break this mold. What this has done is placed a lot of emphasis on certain very specific powers and powersets and, in a lot of ways, not only legitimized farming but devalued character types that can't do it.
Which is devastating to a game whose definition, focus, and driving is built on character diversity.

Players are the death to innovation.


 

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It also got Family xp and influence values reduced.
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