New Epic Rewards...since i17 takes mine away.

Edit: Is there a way to unlock this? Cause all I see are Night, Fortunata and Widow.

People tend to be very harsh in this forum, which is generally at odds with the overall friendly CoH community. Try not to take it so personally.

The default "Widow" class is indeed the "Blood Widow." Night Widows and Fortunatas are the "upgrade" to the Blood Widow.

Is it really? I honestly didn't know that. To be fair, I mostly play blueside, and only go red when Ana pleads with me to.

Arachnos Widows do indeed start out as a Blood Widow and can dual-class to either Night Widow or Seer of the Fortunata. In the same way, Arachnos Soldiers start out as Wolf Spiders and can then dual-class to Crab Spider or Bane Spider. Personally, I'm more than a little saddened that Wold Spiders can't just dual-class with themselves and keep being Wolf Spiders without having to disregard half their build, but that's just me, I guess.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

It's not even a question of veteran status when it comes down to "Epic" ATs. A long-time veteran is in no way guaranteed to have hit 50 already, and a new player with a lot of time on his hands is all but guaranteed to have struck one if he really wants to.

And as far as I'm concerned, I'd do a little dance and throw a little party if veteran rewards were unlocked to the general public, and this is coming from a 63 month veteran.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

TL;DR: Just because someone has a large post count does not mean they don't play the game.

TL;DR of the TL;DR: kry moar plz

As people have mentioned, I've hit that bug several times where I've had to log on to a 50 to "reawaken" the epics. It usually happens right when I get the urge to make a new epic... so as a better part of valor I tend to keep a 50 hero and villain, just in case.

My, who's a nosy bastich? 8D

Well:

a) I like some of the names I've had for... well, forever and I'm a selfish j... er... I like to reuse them from time to time.

b) I like to try different takes on characters I've played previously, such as "I wonder what Crossbow would be like if he was a ice/Rad corr," and I'm not nostalgic enough to have a obsessive need to keep version one when I'm ready to try version two. (and I use MIDS for my builds, so I can always "re-live the magic" if I want.)

c) I play on most of the servers, but certain characters just fit certain servers... for example, I tend to play Heavy RP toons on Virtue simply because the majority of the role-playing goes on there.

It's 106 miles to Grandville, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing faceless helmets

... Hit it ...

Boy, that's a pretty romanticized view of the pre-AE days. I took a long break from CoH before AE and I had three lvl 50's at the time. It took some effort to find missions from lvl 40 to 50 because so many people out there were simply running farms. Can't even count how many invites were sent my way because someone wanted to me to sidekick their lower level friend or alt to get them onto a farm. In PI, the broadcast was full of chatter from people looking for someone to help fill up their farm or pay them influence in exchange for door-sitting on their farm. PL madness had ensued long before AE. Even at lvl 30 to 40, most people just wanted to run Freakshow and Council radio missions over and over again in Brickstown. Heaven forbid we make things challenging and mix in some CoT or Arachnos. While your particular 50 toon may have taken a lot of hard work, there have been plenty of pre-AE 50s out there that came from very little work.

Sounds like you may have built the EATs up into some sort of badge of honor in your mind, but most people see an EAT running around and think "meh". I don't see this as a big deal and doesn't make me feel any less "warm and fuzzy" about my three lvl 50 toons...they are still my all-time favorites out of all of my alts. I've got two Warshades that I really like playing and won't make me enjoy them any less either. While the EATs can be a little more complicated to play and to effectively build, I've seen plenty of people who didn't have a clue how to play the other ATs too. A good player will learn to play any AT well. A bad player will play any AT poorly. I don't see it having any negative effect on gameplay but it might make teams a little more interesting because you should see more EATs mixed in...at least for awhile.

And now I know. Thanks, Sam!

Seriously, my Widow is sitting at level one next to Kalinda, cause I never play her.

Sadly I agree 100% with this statement and I have a Warshade at 47. I have never gotten a Peacebringer past 10 level without getting totally frustrated and just deleting. Hard to solo at lower level because you will ALWAYS find a Void Stalker ready to one shot you, on teams you spawn Shards that can mean a team wipe and frankly I never even used my contact for the Epic Story Line.. I hit the sewers in Atlas and then headed off to KR to run radios with other players that were willing to have me on a team. My own opinion is they seriously screwed up the ATs to begin with and made them a pain. They corrected their problem with the VEATS.. I actually enjoy playing my Archnos Soldier and Widow and people WANT you on their teams. Look at just a few of the inconsistancies:

My Soldier didn't have to go to Breakout and run through that mind numbing tutorial before landing in Mercy. It was assumed that "Hey she had to get to level 50 to earn this I guess she knows how the basic game works." Of course for those serious badgers, pre-Ouro, skipping Outbreak meant missing out on the easy way to earn the Isolator Badge but now flash back and get it.. also since the thing isn't required for any accolade aside from a real BADGE FREAk who cares? LOL

At level one my Soldier had a cape and using Halloween salvage quickly had two costumes and access to capes on both. NO special mission to earn one.. An actual PERK.. "hey you leveled a villain to 50 here you can wear a cape anytime you like!"

My Soldier will have access to Patron powers at level 41. My Soldier has access to any travel power she likes.. She doesn't have Teleport thrust on her and told "If you want to fly become a squid and both can take Recall Friend.. try doing that with a Peacebringer.

And of course lastly and probably most significant the VEAT ArchTypes don't have Voids and Shards following them around constantly. Makes you wander what the Dev that came up with that BRIGHT idea was thinking. "Congratulations you made level 50. Here you can now play these "special" ATs. Oh and just to make it fun we have a special alien that will follow you around and try to blow your brains out."

IS the decision to lower the requirement to 20 rather than 50 a little frustrating? Yeah Hey I had to work to get to 50 and earn mine and I'm sorry I don't farm or PL, tried the AE ones once just to see what the heck everyone was talking about, and regardless of some comments here feel that soloing and teaming any AT from level 1 to 50 while not incredibly difficult is still an accomplishment. But there are far worse things in game. I had a friend that spent hours, maybe days, farming Longbow in the RWZ, to earn that badge on her hero only to have them decide to take it away.. I think they changed their minds and gave it back but the point is they made a decision that upset a LOT of players that spent the time to EARN that badge. Same goes for the ones that had farmed Carnie missions for Illusionists, Spent heaven knows how long trying to take out 10,000 Rikti Monkeys, or in Port Oakes spent hours trying to capture 50 Pirate Ghosts and even the players that spent way too much time farming to earn Isolator.

I really don't see it as that huge of an issue. It's been mentioned before the nerf there were players bragging about going from level 1 to 50 in a few hours on AE farm and before that people farmed in PI.. took longer but they still leveled quickly. Level 50 is nice but it's NOT that hard. Heck I have 21 now and for the first two years I played my altitis was so bad the highest level character I owned was level 42. Two years later I have 21 between COH and COV and about 9 more in the 40s pressing toward it. That's just a little under managing a 50 a month and I don't JUST play one character exclusively. So realistically a brand new player with absolutely no Vet badges could easily have a 50 and access to EAT in a very short time anyway.

Supposedly they are working on some 50 level END GAME content. hopefully that will be something exciting and special to reward you for getting to the top. Frankly I don't see why they just don't make all of them available to everyone and be done with it. Your upset because they "GAVE" something to new player you feel you earned. How about the new player that comes in and see an Archnos Soldier running around and is told. "Oh sorry you can't touch those yet... play these other characters first and get one to level 50 then we can talk."

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

Yes and so does every other player on these forums that is disagreeing with you. We all pay our fees to be in game. That hardly seems like a valid arguement for any situation involving the game

Everyone has that right here. Or are you now saying I pay and I have been here longer so ONLY I have the right to an opinion? In the "Real World" if I walk into a store and find the service horrible but it's only my first visit do I have any less right to complain to the manager than someone that has been shopping there daily for 10 years?

Just getting a character to level 50 does not automatically earn respect. As pointed out here numerous times there are far too many easy ways to do so. You want respect earn it. I respect my friends, regardless of their skill level, for their ability to play the game well. That includes friend that have 63 months in game and new friends that have 6.

I have been involved in a number of "flame wars" here on the forums before but never one that was so lopside. I have read every post and unless I missed one the only person here that feels the way you do.. is you. Many of the posters here have been with this game since Issue one, most have numerous 50 level on one side or both and none of them, Myself included, seems upset by this decision. If this was an election that is what ios known as majority rules. I have a friend I recently brought to the game, under 6 months, and like most brand new players the lure to try different ATs has him with one Villlan at leve; 42 and a Hero at 38. We formed a small Villain Group and I don't care if he gains access to Widows and Soldiers by reaching 50 before I-17 or gets them with nothing higher than a 42 level when it hits. We enjoy playing together and I know he'll enjoy playing one or both "Epic" ATs.

To be fair, it's only been a month and a few days. It probably took a long time to write all of that.

Really what I'm surprised about, is how WW was able to find that thread--considering how fast the bad ideas move in this part of the forums.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

ok, i spewed soda on my keyboard i laughed so hard.

My PB does just fine in the damage department, thanks.


Also, if I had a nickel for every time someone mentioned being "slapped in the face" by a Dev action, or otherwise butthurt by a change...

All ur nickels are belong to me.

By move, do you mean float to the top and hang around no matter how much you flush, like a really hefty log?

It's good ideas that sink like a rock because people have a hard time coming up with more of a response than "I agree" but are willing to argue for weeks about something they've argued 32 times before.

Heh, so true dat.
I did have to laugh at the first bit though X3

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I was being slightly tongue in cheek there

I would ask that the sfx gets toned down, though. The chime sound after EVERY attack actually gives me a migraine, its at just the wrong pitch, stacks and goes on for too long.

Aside from that, theres not much I can fault them for mechanics wise, other than both PBs and WSs need the animation of the shapeshifting drastically cut to make it more fluid. *shrug*

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

When I read this, I lol'd.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

Figured someone would eventually post what I had planned to.

I see no reason for them to change the level 50 unlock. It's not like it's difficult to hit 50.

However, I don't actually give a damn that they'll be doing it anyway.

My main was 50 when Kheldians hit live. My peacebringer hit 50 a few months later. It was awful. Kept him for a really long time. He's deleted now. My warshade still exists and is fun on teams, but I rarely play him. My only VEAT will probably get deleted at some point.

The epic archetypes aren't epic in any way. The stories sure as hell aren't epic. As a soloist, the powersets aren't epic.

So, yea... anyone getting overly bent out of shape about the devs letting them unlock at 20 instead of 50 really needs a readjustment in what they determine is important in life.

EDIT: Wow necroposting got me good.

EDIT2: I replaced that sound with silence last time I tried to enjoy a PB. It helped a lot. But not enough to get past the overall *BLAH* of the archetype.