New Epic Rewards...since i17 takes mine away.
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Posted on: 2010-02-11 15:07 in Suggestions and Ideas
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Actually, the subject matter of the Moonfire TF has much more to do with the Nictus than with Peacebringers. Since a Warshade is a "redeemed Nictus," it fits to award both PB and WS for Moonfire TF. (Or, it fits better to award WS instead of PB, but hey, we covered the PB angle with the badge. |
Originally Posted by je_saist
Save the Khelds, earn the Khelds?
I guess it would work for PeaceBringers since that Task Force awards "Honorary Peacebringer" Maybe we could get a second task force for "Honorary WarShade" |
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I find it really strange that some people apparently consider EATs the only reason to get to 50. Isn't there a bunch of other content that unlocks as you get up to the higher levels? Y'know, powers and stuff? Try running an ITF or a Hami raid on a level 20 sometime and see how far you get.
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Technically, wouldn't that be playing to 50 to advance the 'story' and abilities of a specific character, then? If Khelds were always unlocked at 20, would this player completely forego the concept of their character and his story and just reroll the character? Or would they actually complete the character's story up until the point they join with a Kheld and the re-experience the character?|
Originally Posted by Lyrik
I once met a Kheldian player who indeed played a character to 50 for a kheld...however he had played his "original" hero to become a kheldian. So, he basically had two of the same characters, one before the merge and one after. I thought the concept was pretty cool.
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But really, either way, it's win-win. If the concept of the character was originally to be a Kheld, now it's easier to facilitate that concept.
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For some players a hard objective is all they can understand. I've talked with a couple former players who quit without ever having a 50. One commented that he got to 38, had every power in his primary and secondary set, so there wasn't any point in getting to 50, so he left the game. I've talked with another who wouldn't run task forces, ever. Would run radio missions, would run team missions, would run newspapers... but would never go on a Task Force. |
Originally Posted by Redoubtable
I find it really strange that some people apparently consider EATs the only reason to get to 50. Isn't there a bunch of other content that unlocks as you get up to the higher levels? Y'know, powers and stuff? Try running an ITF or a Hami raid on a level 20 sometime and see how far you get.
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After a while, it's likely an acceptance that explaining these types of behaviors is impossible will form.
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Then feel free to discuss it with me in game. I'd be delighted to show you how logically off-base your argument is.|
Originally Posted by Mornediel
Whatever... well, at least you can all be thankful this is probably my last post, and most likely last look at the forums. I came here to voice a legitimate concern, not to be insulted because I don't worship the developers every choice. Its funny... every person on here seems to think I am 100% wrong here, but EVERY single person I have discussed it with in the actual game agrees with me completely, and is very upset about it. I talked with a number of people before even writing this post, and if I didn't think it was an important issue, I would not have brought it up. But if the statements made here line up with the general voice you make on the forums, at least I know who the devs are listening to... not people petitioning and making suggestions in the game, but forum lurkers. Maybe one day they'll just make every person a lv 50 after creation, and then everyone can sit around the forums and talk about how much easier that is. Hope you all enjoy that.
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I'd be happy to introduce you to a bunch of vets who don't share a sense of entitlement.
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Your title seems misleading. Letting someone play an Epic after reaching 20 will not prevent you (or me, or anyone else with a 50 from playing our existing EATs, or making new ones.
Nor does allowing other gamers easier access to a reward diminish such satisfaction as you may feel (or wish to feel) in the effort that obtained it. You did various things that got you to 50, and got access to Epics. Good for you.
Letting someone else play an Epic on easier terms does not diminish the effort you expended.
Of course, I get that that is not your primary issue. If I am reading you aright, when you show up in your Kheldian or Arachnos character, other people will not recognize your efforts.
I am afraid I do not sympathize. Why index your satisfaction in your accomplishments by the plaudits of others? This is not primarily a performance art. Insofar as the way we play shows that we are good players, to other players we are working with at the time, yes, that has a performance aspect. But in the main the audience we perform for consists of one member - ourselves.
There is no reward I have received in game - not veteran rewards, not my 50's, not the Warshade (who just dinged 50 himself) or the Soldier of Arachnos, or anything else I can think of - that would be less valuable to me if some other gamer could have it too, on easier terms.
My scrapper doesn't need an AoE. She IS an AoE.
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It did get me to grind the last 4 levels of my MM, which felt like it took forever, and the only reason I finnished her off was I thought it be faster than getting my next highest villain to 50.
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Originally Posted by Steampunkette
But ultimately: You didn't go from level 1 to level 50 -just- to get Kheldians. And Veterans are now rewarded with the Vet Rewards program.
But perhaps i just don't "Get" the issue. I've only got 4 level 50s, so far. -Rachel- |
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That's probably a point in favour of lowering the level requirement, if anything. Forcing people to grind an unloved character to 50 just to get an EAT probably isn't something that the devs want to do.
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Originally Posted by Disappearing Girl
It did get me to grind the last 4 levels of my MM, which felt like it took forever, and the only reason I finnished her off was I thought it be faster than getting my next highest villain to 50.
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I agree. I think the EAT at 50 rewards grind more than skill.|
Originally Posted by Redoubtable
That's probably a point in favour of lowering the level requirement, if anything. Forcing people to grind an unloved character to 50 just to get an EAT probably isn't something that the devs want to do.
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I am still sick of that MM
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Haha I agree with you. I remember when I first started playing in the hallows on my first character ever, and I saw two Kheldians in squid form for the first time. I had no idea what they were. They didnt look like any Human hero Ive seen! They joined our team and watching them in action was glorious. The Epic ATs felt epic, my brain was abuzz with questions about them. How are they flying already?! Look how far they shoot! Where did they come from!? The sounds, the animations, all of it was nice, and whenever I saw a Kheldian then I knew here was someone who had a 50. It seemed like something to strive for. Not only that, but they were very effective, and I considered having one on the team a boost.|
Originally Posted by Mornediel
Whatever... well, at least you can all be thankful this is probably my last post, and most likely last look at the forums. I came here to voice a legitimate concern, not to be insulted because I don't worship the developers every choice. Its funny... every person on here seems to think I am 100% wrong here, but EVERY single person I have discussed it with in the actual game agrees with me completely, and is very upset about it. I talked with a number of people before even writing this post, and if I didn't think it was an important issue, I would not have brought it up. But if the statements made here line up with the general voice you make on the forums, at least I know who the devs are listening to... not people petitioning and making suggestions in the game, but forum lurkers. Maybe one day they'll just make every person a lv 50 after creation, and then everyone can sit around the forums and talk about how much easier that is. Hope you all enjoy that.
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Anyway its this kinda fluff that I enjoy the most in these games, and its true that what people say about this change not being game breaking. But that doesn't make it any less important, in fact I feel it makes it more important.
Man! I hate getting in late to these posts. I missed all the frothing at the mouth and it is clear the OP has left the building.
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Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
Man! I hate getting in late to these posts. I missed all the frothing at the mouth and it is clear the OP has left the building.
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A building made of weak arguments collapses quickly.
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Really? You are? Because all I'm reading is *toys off the pram* waaaa waaa waaaa|
Originally Posted by Mornediel
I hope this post will be taken seriously, and not just a hate bashing note.
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It's only a game.
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I'm actually glad. This means that I can "unpark" my red- and blue-side "anchor" 50s and re-roll them without having to grind another to 50 first. I have lots of 20+ toons, 50+... not so much. 8D
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Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
Man! I hate getting in late to these posts. I missed all the frothing at the mouth and it is clear the OP has left the building.
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8D
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Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
I'm actually glad. This means that I can "unpark" my red- and blue-side "anchor" 50s and re-roll them without having to grind another to 50 first. I have lots of 20+ toons, 50+... not so much. 8D
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Right now, once you get to 50, Epic Archtypes are unlocked. You can delete the 50, and the epic archtypes are still unlocked. It's pretty much a one-time event. It is a one time event unlock.
And since I'm just wondering, why re-roll? Why not just make a new character? Or if you've run out of slots, why not try a different server?
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That's certainly how it's supposed to work. But it's possible for your account to get bugged that it thinks you don't own any lv50 characters, and the only way to fix the bug is to log in to a lv50.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
Right now, once you get to 50, Epic Archtypes are unlocked. You can delete the 50, and the epic archtypes are still unlocked. It's pretty much a one-time event. It is a one time event unlock.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Interesting. I guess this is one bug I'll never be willing to try and duplicate or replicate.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
That's certainly how it's supposed to work. But it's possible for your account to get bugged that it thinks you don't own any lv50 characters, and the only way to fix the bug is to log in to a lv50.
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This has happened a few times, yes, and each time people have panicked. I imagine not having a 50 to log in would be even worse.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
That's certainly how it's supposed to work. But it's possible for your account to get bugged that it thinks you don't own any lv50 characters, and the only way to fix the bug is to log in to a lv50.
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As far as the topic goes, I find imaginary prestige to be a bad reason to hold back beneficial changes. Besides, getting to 50 is not a praise-worthy event, since it requires time, not any specific skillset, other than the ability to use a mouse and keyboard, and possibly the need to have functioning eyes. New people are going to aw and gawk at anything less new than they are. I've had people gasp at my ability to fly, but that doesn't really do much for me. I'm much more satisfied when people gasp at my ability to recall most game information and details off-hand.
Basically, this is for the greater good of the game. If a few people's egos get caught in the door, then that's a small price to pay. Which would be really funny to anyone who sees this as the euphemism it was supposed to be.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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does it help to squash this thread with, even though it has been said a couple times already, the devs have stated that it was a mistake to have things unlock at 50. i mean, if you can't trust a red name answer, then who can you trust.
I think 20 is too early. 24 Might be a bit better though, since that's when a character can first use respecs(other than freespecs), and we all know how important respeccing is to both EATS.
The only thing I'm miffed about is the fact that I worked hard to get to level 50 on both Heroes and Villains just so I could make a Warshade and Blood Widow, and now it turns out that if I had played this game a year later I could have kept to my casual play style the whole time.
I'm a big fan or zones, classes, armour sets, or special abilities getting unlocked in MMOs through quest lines. It makes finishing that epic quest line that much more sweeter. So, I personally think that EATs and VEATs should be unlocked by completing a mission arc that figures the EATs or VEATs prominently.
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That is your opinion, and I respect it.|
Originally Posted by Mornediel
That is my opinion, I feel veterans efforts are being completely disregarded, no different than if veteran playtime rewards were given to new players, and I think it is a horrible choice by the developers. |
My opinion as a 33 month Vet is "Villain Epic unlocking when you get a villain to level 20??? Yes please."
And, Mornediel, I love your name. . .. it has a ring to it.
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Level 3 is the first time you can use respecs, actually.
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Originally Posted by DMystic
I think 20 is too early. 24 Might be a bit better though, since that's when a character can first use respecs(other than freespecs), and we all know how important respeccing is to both EATS.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
But IMO, I think lvl 20 is rather a shallow goal to unlock them. Why not a TF in the 20-30 range that has to do with something involving the Khelds? It'd make a lot more sense than just an arbitrary level.
I agree with you that automatically unlocking the epic ATs at level 20 seems particularly empty. Heck, even for capes you must do a special mission.
The likely counterpart for villains would be the Renault SF. Naturally it would fit better story-wise for Renault if the villain epics were Coralax, but at least Operative Renault is clearly an Arachnos agent.
For what it's worth, I think the Renault SF could be completely reconfigured to better favor the villain epic ATs. The Leviathan battle could be removed and used as the basis of a Trial or be folded into the Diviner Maros arc.
There's a lot that could be done in that area if the devs ever relax their policy on revamps.