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Are you willing to join the PVPEC and run things because if not this is a moot point.|
Originally Posted by Johnnykat
Just a side note, in regards to what I said before about PvPEC reps should not be captains too - that's exactly what I meant. I didn't say that they shouldn't play. It simply looks like a conflict of interest when you are a rep AND a captain. Yes it is an opinion, but it's also simple common sense if you want to avoid the drama that apparently some of the reps are becoming upset or stressed out about.
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You are entitled to your opinion. I am not stepping down from either and Captains opinions are the only relevant ones anyways. Furthermore who the hell thinks its fair for us to do all these months of work and not get to particpate in whatever capacity we want to? On a side note Peril is not a Captain of a team and he is the one this drama has to do with so these points are not relevant to the topic.
If any of you complaining about the PVPEC being Captains would like to step up and join the PVPEC to help then I might consider changing who is running things. Until then we have no one else active enough that wants to. Really the PVPEC ***** fest is getting old. NOT ONE SINGLE ONE OF YOU EVEN REMOTELY ATTEMPT TO DO ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE IN REGARDS TO GETTING PVP EVENTS SUCH AS THIS OFF THE GROUND. The fact that you have the nerve to ***** and complain and have done nothing productive to make crap happen for the community looks way worse than me or peril being allowed to Captain teams if we want to.
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Originally Posted by criticalkat
you are entitled to your opinion. I am not stepping down from either and captains opinions are the only relevant ones anyways. Furthermore who the hell thinks its fair for us to do all these months of work and not get to particpate in whatever capacity we want to? On a side note peril is not a captain of a team and he is the one this drama has to do with so these points are not relevant to the topic.
If any of you complaining about the pvpec being captains would like to step up and join the pvpec to help then i might consider changing who is running things. Until then we have no one else active enough that wants to. Really the pvpec ***** fest is getting old. Not one single one of you even remotely attempt to do anything productive in regards to getting pvp events such as this off the ground. The fact that you have the nerve to ***** and complain and have done nothing productive to make crap happen for the community looks way worse than me or peril being allowed to captain teams if we want to. |
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6685529/3-hot-and-vex-3
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Perhaps. Willing or forced to play? I believe there is a rule on this. Whether or not he tries is another story.|
Originally Posted by CriticalKat
That isn't exactly a fair question to play the devil's advocate here. First of all from what I understand the player in question is more than willing to play for Silit's team. Even if they were not taking a player that you know another team wants that has a very good skill level is a tactical and very legal move. Is it a dick move? Perhaps. That is irrelevant though.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Regardless of what Perils intentions were, it was not allowed. A draft happened. Players who signed up did so knowing what the rules are. This is kind of like a car salesman saying "I give you a 3 year warranty" and you purchase the car and the written contract says "no warranty" that you signed. Both sides have to take some responsibility in this. Peril already admitted he did intend on assigning characters but Captains did not allow it. Take your responsibility in the deal gone bad and lets move on.
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All I see is a lot of blame being put on the captains. Over and over again, it's the captains fault. Aren't some of the event coordinators capatains in this league? Where does your responsibility fall? Talk about a conflict of interest.
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As I said earlier, you have 3 choices. You made your choice, so deal with the consequences.|
Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Are you willing to join the PVPEC and run things because if not this is a moot point.
You are entitled to your opinion. I am not stepping down from either and Captains opinions are the only relevant ones anyways. Furthermore who the hell thinks its fair for us to do all these months of work and not get to particpate in whatever capacity we want to? On a side note Peril is not a Captain of a team and he is the one this drama has to do with so these points are not relevant to the topic. If any of you complaining about the PVPEC being Captains would like to step up and join the PVPEC to help then I might consider changing who is running things. Until then we have no one else active enough that wants to. Really the PVPEC ***** fest is getting old. NOT ONE SINGLE ONE OF YOU EVEN REMOTELY ATTEMPT TO DO ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE IN REGARDS TO GETTING PVP EVENTS SUCH AS THIS OFF THE GROUND. The fact that you have the nerve to ***** and complain and have done nothing productive to make crap happen for the community looks way worse than me or peril being allowed to Captain teams if we want to. |
There may be people willing to run this event but they definitely aren't willing to join the PvPEC. The damage is already done at this point. Complaining isn't adding any more to what's already out there except to bother you. Take it from someone who's moderated and been apart of past leagues, all you can do now is take this as a learning experience for the next time.
It appears as if you are saying the intention wasn't to get new players to play alongside vets or that we shafted some players. Everyone that registered on time got picked. EVERY ONE. The late entries didn't all get placed. From my perspective, placing all of them would have been a detriment to the teams and a few getting to play is better than none of them.
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That is exactly what this event was. I don't know how you keep missing the point that the original draft, everyone had to be added. The late signups were very well aware that they were late and that they may or may not get to be chosen to participate. Perhaps you should go check that thread out.|
Perhaps. Cherry picking the better players/builds and leaving everyone else out to dry, some of which transfered toons over. Isn't this league intended to embrace players by combining veterans with the lesser experienced? You shouldn't advertise an event as such if it really isn't. All I see is a lot of blame being put on the captains. Over and over again, it's the captains fault. Aren't some of the event coordinators capatains in this league? Where does your responsibility fall? Talk about a conflict of interest. __________________ |
Not one time has anyone blamed the captains for jack. What I am saying is that if they have a problem with something any and all of them are allowed and able to make a motion for it to be changed. No one did, no one does so not sure why people who are not Captains are not going to their Captains and asking them to make these motions for rule changes if they are so important.
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Originally Posted by _Avid
As I said earlier, you have 3 choices. You made your choice, so deal with the consequences.
There may be people willing to run this event but they definitely aren't willing to join the PvPEC. The damage is already done at this point. Complaining isn't adding any more to what's already out there except to bother you. Take it from someone who's moderated and been apart of past leagues, all you can do now is take this as a learning experience for the next time. |
Silit and Sneaky were attempting to do it on their own and for various reasons needed/wanted the PVPEC to run it. So here we are now. Months later of hard work and daily BS and aggrivation. None of us are looking for pats on the back. We just want a fun event and to pvp and rebuild pvp in this game. We would also appreciate a little slack. Yes we have made mistakes and will learn from them. However to be quite blunt to put up with all the ******** from people that could run this crap themselves in the first place is a bit tedious. To be told that I shouldn't be Captain when I have invested a gazillion hours in to this is a direct slap in the face. I cannot possibly in any way change or add any rules without, FIVE, count them FIVE other team Captains in aggreement. Peril doesn't even have a vote. I don't know how much more clear things can be.
I love the dramaz. :O
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Everybody know's your Hot Heals.....stop lying. Just a matter time before somebody reports you for playing this horrid game. I for one am to lazy too...but their are other's that if they seen you on the side of the street....i'm pretty sure they would swerve it hit you. They might not be to lazy as to report you.
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Originally Posted by Borderline Boss
Hardly, considering I've never had @hot heals.
If you're referring to his account being banned, you could've used the renegade-ownage-mass-ban as an example. |
BTW i had no idea that @-fifa was fates...which is kinda crazy.....i knew him from the old day's on liberty when he played for Velocity. So...as saying every team knew that was fates...is not true.
i guess i have one question, maybe 2...no i didn't read the whole thread, but i have a grasp on what is going on right now...now back to the question(s), why does there have to be a certain number of teams? and why is it that if teams were full, new teams with the remaining people weren't formed?
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
i guess i have one question, maybe 2...no i didn't read the whole thread, but i have a grasp on what is going on right now...now back to the question(s), why does there have to be a certain number of teams? and why is it that if teams were full, new teams with the remaining people weren't formed?
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There does not have to be a certain number of teams. Any number of teams can sign up. New teams were not formed for 2 reasons. First reason is that we had to have a deadline for teams signing up. Obviously a team that signed up after the other teams had been practicing for so long would be at a huge disadvantage. The other reason is to have another team requires a Captain volunteering to start it and run it. We barely managed to get the teams started that are here now, no one else showed any interest in running any.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
i guess i have one question, maybe 2...no i didn't read the whole thread, but i have a grasp on what is going on right now...now back to the question(s), why does there have to be a certain number of teams? and why is it that if teams were full, new teams with the remaining people weren't formed?
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I am not going to be participating in this ping pong politic game anymore. It's become a smidge too trying of my patience. Any captain that wishes to discuss anything regarding the league knows where to contact me. I would be more than happy to sit down for a vent conversation to hear what you have to say.
I would love to entertain the non-voting parties, but I grow weary of the dramatics.
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To be fair this makes good sense. There was a window of opportunity where you were guaranteed to play. You could have either started up your own team or signed up for the initial draft. You were GUARANTEED a spot on a team AND if you showed up in Pocket D, you HAD to be played. It was announced in the PvP forum, player announcements as well as on the server boards, and spammed in the zones for those who didn't check the boards. |
Originally Posted by perilX
It appears as if you are saying the intention wasn't to get new players to play alongside vets or that we shafted some players. Everyone that registered on time got picked. EVERY ONE. The late entries didn't all get placed. From my perspective, placing all of them would have been a detriment to the teams and a few getting to play is better than none of them.
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Making it sound like the PvP community is excluding people in the second draft is just dumb when all anyone had to do was follow simple instructions and meet a well advertised deadline.
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Hm, I wish I could help you find your friend, but I am certain I'm not him.
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Originally Posted by __Divine__
Everybody know's your Hot Heals.....stop lying. Just a matter time before somebody reports you for playing this horrid game. I for one am to lazy too...but their are other's that if they seen you on the side of the street....i'm pretty sure they would swerve it hit you. They might not be to lazy as to report you.
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http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6685529/3-hot-and-vex-3
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Originally Posted by __divine__
everybody know's your hot heals.....stop lying. Just a matter time before somebody reports you for playing this horrid game. I for one am to lazy too...but their are other's that if they seen you on the side of the street....i'm pretty sure they would swerve it hit you. They might not be to lazy as to report you.
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this thread delivers again. thanks to all
seriously, why does any of this even matter?
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I have no idea.
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Originally Posted by EmpireForgotten
seriously, why does any of this even matter?
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This is why I apologized to Peril and Kat after I realized this was the case. My whole team felt that we worked hard to integrate the D6'rs to varying degrees of success and while we'd like a few people more to be in d6 we weren't ready for 8-10 new ones, most of which would only bring us down. Not naming names (rhmes with defective skillet) but somehow I got the wrong impression and ran with it and e-raged all over.|
Originally Posted by MrLiberty
To be fair this makes good sense. There was a window of opportunity where you were guaranteed to play. You could have either started up your own team or signed up for the initial draft. You were GUARANTEED a spot on a team AND if you showed up in Pocket D, you HAD to be played. It was announced in the PvP forum, player announcements as well as on the server boards, and spammed in the zones for those who didn't check the boards.
Making it sound like the PvP community is excluding people in the second draft is just dumb when all anyone had to do was follow simple instructions and meet a well advertised deadline. |
Would I like to see things done differently if/when there is a season 2? Yes, truth be told I prefer a ladder, but I digress. Realizing this is not a perfect world, everyone calm down, have a soft drink and chill a bit. Let's try to have fun and use this as a learning experience.
As too new teams, I agree with Peril that to add them now screws up the schedule. Anyone who wishes to form an exhibition team I'm sure can get scrimmages Mon-Wed.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
I agree that PVPEC reps shouldn't be members of the teams (it is like football judge being one of the players) but Kat is right, there is nobody who was willing to get this thing up and regardless how much people complain they got the legaue going and i would thank them for that.
I am not sure why the whole drama is going on tbh, we know which teams will eventually win the legaue and why won't we just have some matches and some fun. I myself like to b***h just about anything but this is getting old even for me.
About new players, i would suggest captains not to play them in this week but next one, just because we don't have that much time for respec'ing/practices etc. If they don't contact, show up for practices etc. i would give cptns freedom to remove them from the roster. We don't ask people to sacrifice their lives for legaue but a little of dedication would be nice.
P.S. Divine don't bother petitioning hot heals btw, mod08 said they know he is playing, along with justin and some other. Besides i would rather have Hot Heals ans co. talk on ac than some retarded cat gurls from AP (remember ac in summer 2009? that was bad).
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The cat gurl was hot heals......on the down low. =)
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Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna
I agree that PVPEC reps shouldn't be members of the teams (it is like football judge being one of the players) but Kat is right, there is nobody who was willing to get this thing up and regardless how much people complain they got the legaue going and i would thank them for that.
I am not sure why the whole drama is going on tbh, we know which teams will eventually win the legaue and why won't we just have some matches and some fun. I myself like to b***h just about anything but this is getting old even for me. About new players, i would suggest captains not to play them in this week but next one, just because we don't have that much time for respec'ing/practices etc. If they don't contact, show up for practices etc. i would give cptns freedom to remove them from the roster. We don't ask people to sacrifice their lives for legaue but a little of dedication would be nice. P.S. Divine don't bother petitioning hot heals btw, mod08 said they know he is playing, along with justin and some other. Besides i would rather have Hot Heals ans co. talk on ac than some retarded cat gurls from AP (remember ac in summer 2009? that was bad). |
All cat girls are hot heals.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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frost elf d this is the closest I've ever come to almost liking you.|
Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna
I agree that PVPEC reps shouldn't be members of the teams (it is like football judge being one of the players) but Kat is right, there is nobody who was willing to get this thing up and regardless how much people complain they got the legaue going and i would thank them for that.
I am not sure why the whole drama is going on tbh, we know which teams will eventually win the legaue and why won't we just have some matches and some fun. I myself like to b***h just about anything but this is getting old even for me. About new players, i would suggest captains not to play them in this week but next one, just because we don't have that much time for respec'ing/practices etc. If they don't contact, show up for practices etc. i would give cptns freedom to remove them from the roster. We don't ask people to sacrifice their lives for legaue but a little of dedication would be nice. P.S. Divine don't bother petitioning hot heals btw, mod08 said they know he is playing, along with justin and some other. Besides i would rather have Hot Heals ans co. talk on ac than some retarded cat gurls from AP (remember ac in summer 2009? that was bad). |
keep up the good work.
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6685529/3-hot-and-vex-3
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So I am curious, since you knew ahead of time about fifa - and you claim at least one captain on each team except for Kat's knew - did you tell the other captains in the good faith, thinking it was the right thing to do?
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Originally Posted by Silit
At least one captain on every team other than Kat's was aware.
That all of course is completely irrelevant, however. The "situation" we are in now still exists. |
dUmb drafts Ownage (global @-oneage)
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit