For the record I didn't know -Fifa was -Fates
But one of my draft picks is actually Ajax.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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Originally Posted by Slax
For the record I didn't know -Fifa was -Fates
But one of my draft picks is actually Ajax. |
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Originally Posted by Slax
For the record I didn't know -Fifa was -Fates
But one of my draft picks is actually Ajax. |
Hmm so I guess every other captain BUT Slax and Kat (and probably Divine...) No idea if Dex knew or not but at least half of the people picking didn't know including Slax, the guy picking right before U2BG...funny how that works out.
Next season we will all stand in game and get our RP on with /e dice for pick order and then there will be no doubts on credibility.
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Perhaps. From what I've seen, it doesn't look to be unbiased. You have 2 options here if you want to avoid the shitstorm from people that care. 1) quit your team or 2) quit being the event moderator and have another unrelated PvPEC member take charge. I would opt for option 2. No matter what you do, if you stay as both a participant and moderator, there will be no true fairness and people will be calling you out on it. Even if you tried being fair and unbiased, people are already starting drama over it. This goes from rules down to draft ordering. You can argue all you want but it won't change how people feel especially when they already don't think too highly of the PvPEC/certain event coordinators.|
Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Perhaps. Six teams and six captains have the right to make any motion they want. If any of them want to, they will. Only takes all 6 to be in aggreement to change things.
As far as the draft, already done and apparently the 6 team captains didn't feel that way or one would have asked for it to be done differently. |
What are you telling all those undrafted people that were interested? "Sorry you weren't drafted. We choose a late sign-up over you and no one else wants you." That's really promoting PvP right there. Way to prove to the community how exclusive we are.
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This is the whole point here. It would be wise to look beyond just this tourney as far as broadening the pvp base. I for one started pvp'ing years ago. But nothing of this scale was ever put together on Justice. Now all the pvpers on Justice are on Freedom (Deth, Ra, Mac, and many more). This event literally, got lots of people to transfer toons to freedom. Are you just going to let them sit out? Worst yet, is this tourney going to deteriorate to the point of where all the people that transfered their toons going to be for nothing?
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Originally Posted by _Avid
What are you telling all those undrafted people that were interested? "Sorry you weren't drafted. We choose a late sign-up over you and no one else wants you." That's really promoting PvP right there. Way to prove to the community how exclusive we are.
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I agree with Avid on this: "What are you telling all those undrafted people that were interested? "Sorry you weren't drafted. We choose a late sign-up over you and no one else wants you." That's really promoting PvP right there. Way to prove to the community how exclusive we are."
PvP is finally getting some old players back as well as some new players and this last round of drafts just makes the reps look bad in terms of promoting PvP with their exclusivity. And, if you have issues with supposed "sneaking people in" ...grow up, this is a game and any time you have someone able to create/pass rules (in this case a rep) also being allowed to run (captain) a team - then of course there is going to be problems, drama, etc. Life's a b****, wear a helmet.
On a side note, for all those that wanted to play and didn't get in, I can empathize with you. I hope you will all push hard on all the PvPEC reps to be more considerate and get you in the next time around. Good luck!
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Sorry I am not generous enough to donate all this ******* time and aggrivation and not get to participate in pvp. There are no other PVPEC reps to have created this or to run this. News flash we do this to not only help promote pvp but to actually have some to PARTICIPATE in. You are not a team captain. If your team captain would like a rules change then they are free to make a motion for one. Until then opinions are exactly that.|
Originally Posted by _Avid
Perhaps. From what I've seen, it doesn't look to be unbiased. You have 2 options here if you want to avoid the shitstorm from people that care. 1) quit your team or 2) quit being the event moderator and have another unrelated PvPEC member take charge. I would opt for option 2. No matter what you do, if you stay as both a participant and moderator, there will be no true fairness and people will be calling you out on it. Even if you tried being fair and unbiased, people are already starting drama over it. This goes from rules down to draft ordering. You can argue all you want but it won't change how people feel especially when they already don't think too highly of the PvPEC/certain event coordinators.
What are you telling all those undrafted people that were interested? "Sorry you weren't drafted. We choose a late sign-up over you and no one else wants you." That's really promoting PvP right there. Way to prove to the community how exclusive we are. |
As far as the draft, valid points. We made a decision that we thought it was fair to atleast let a few more play on the teams that had room or needed more. I guess we could have been consistantly tough on all the teams that needed help and said tough titty and just not give a few more the opportunity to participate. Again a moot point because its done now and if any Captain wanted it to not be done that way they could have spoken up.
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At least one captain on every team other than Kat's was aware.|
Originally Posted by B_Witched
Hmm so I guess every other captain BUT Slax and Kat (and probably Divine...) No idea if Dex knew or not but at least half of the people picking didn't know including Slax, the guy picking right before U2BG...funny how that works out.
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That all of course is completely irrelevant, however. The "situation" we are in now still exists.
I was told fifa was fates, but I misunderstood the situation and didn't realize he was in the 2nd draft. If I was a responsible captain and showed up for that draft, we could've got him, but I won't lose sleep over it. He couldn't take down Dueling Emp Psoma in a duel with his blaster, so he's overrated anyway. :P
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Perhaps. I said you have choices. 3 total: 2 that will avoid a lot of the drama, 1 that may cause more.|
Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Sorry I am not generous enough to donate all this ******* time and aggrivation and not get to participate in pvp. There are no other PVPEC reps to have created this or to run this. News flash we do this to not only help promote pvp but to actually have some to PARTICIPATE in. You are not a team captain. If your team captain would like a rules change then they are free to make a motion for one. Until then opinions are exactly that.
As far as the draft, valid points. We made a decision that we thought it was fair to atleast let a few more play on the teams that had room or needed more. I guess we could have been consistantly tough on all the teams that needed help and said tough titty and just not give a few more the opportunity to participate. Again a moot point because its done now and if any Captain wanted it to not be done that way they could have spoken up. |
I'm not on a team, nor did I sign-up in time. I'm just telling you how I see it as both a veteran PvPer and an observer of this event.
The last draft only gave a select few the opportunity to participate. Most of them already seem to be involved in PvP. You advertised this event to promote PvP yet we're excluding new people in favor of the more experienced (or those with better builds).
edit: To touch a little more on the draft. No one who wants to win will willingly take/choose some random newbie. If the intention of this event was to promote PvP by embracing "the noobs", it is your duty as event coordinators to make teams take them. What you've done instead is the complete opposite.
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In fairness Dueling Emp Psoma was so OP that Castle pooped himself and thought of Heal Decay.
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Originally Posted by Psoma
I was told fifa was fates, but I misunderstood the situation and didn't realize he was in the 2nd draft. If I was a responsible captain and showed up for that draft, we could've got him, but I won't lose sleep over it. He couldn't take down Dueling Emp Psoma in a duel with his blaster, so he's overrated anyway. :P
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Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
Everyone that signed up IN TIME was drafted to a team. Every single one. Teams initially had 20 people on them. As for late entries, some teams needed people pretty badly. We had 39 late signups, to place all of them on teams would be detrimental to the teams because you have to play them. The captains would not have wanted all late entries to be let in. Sure I could have declined late entries any participation, but in order to fill team holes some were allowed in.
As for bias, the system is designed in a manner that there can be no bias. We don't edit rules, add rules or remove rules at any time. The only edit made so far was on banned powers and that was voted on. The only way rules can be modified is if all teams agree on the motion. I don't get a vote.
In regards to the topic of @-Fifa, I have gone over it extensively with Rick. I will save you the spill and just say I didn't tell anyone who that person really was. If you take the time to put the pieces together, you can see there was no bias on my behalf. U2BG drafted fourth in the second draft and fifth in the first. If that is somehow miraculously benefiting the team I play for then I am clearly missing it.
All of this is done and over, try not to dwell.
Other than the fact you told Fates, Keenon and Rick that they would be placed on Rick's team. That would be the reason he signed up in the first place because he was told he was supposed to...also you stated U2BG didn't need any d6 players, so why participate in the draft at all?
Silit says he doesn't want to "hold anyone prisoner" but why pick him at all if he knew he really only wanted to play on another team?
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To be honest, why did he even change his global at all? Why didn't he put "only willing to play for rick" in his sign-up? The questions are endless.
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Originally Posted by B_Witched
Other than the fact you told Fates, Keenon and Rick that they would be placed on Rick's team. That would be the reason he signed up in the first place because he was told he was supposed to...also you stated U2BG didn't need any d6 players, so why participate in the draft at all?
Silit says he doesn't want to "hold anyone prisoner" but why pick him at all if he knew he really only wanted to play on another team? |
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6685529/3-hot-and-vex-3
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it's kind of like you not having yours @hot heals..
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Originally Posted by Borderline Boss
To be honest, why did he even change his global at all? Why didn't he put "only willing to play for rick" in his sign-up? The questions are endless.
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You're developing a conspiracy where there is none. I went over it extensively with Rick. I initially was going to place people on teams based on need, no draft. The other captains didn't like that idea and therefore didn't allow me to do it.
I didn't think we needed players. Silit felt otherwise. Our d6 activity isn't quite up to snuff.
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Originally Posted by perilX
Our d6 activity isn't quite up to snuff.
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May I suggest that the next league or any event following this one hold the draft at least 1 month before official play begins with a minimum amount of practices required to attend. Then the week before the first matches, hold a sup draft to fill the d6's that are no shows, "specific teamers", etc.
The mere fact that multiple team captains say that they dont have adequate d6 numbers irritates me to no end, being that I want in and cant get in.
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lol not a conspiracy - again - the point being - you told Rick, you told Fates, you told Keenon they would be on Rick's team. That would be why fates signed up in the thread.|
Originally Posted by perilX
You're developing a conspiracy where there is none. I went over it extensively with Rick. I initially was going to place people on teams based on need, no draft. The other captains didn't like that idea and therefore didn't allow me to do it.
I didn't think we needed players. Silit felt otherwise. Our d6 activity isn't quite up to snuff. |
the information that that would not happen was not going to happen was not given to us..all along we heard "no problem"
to reference the turd analogy - you can sugar coat a turd and call it candy but it's still just a turd.
Activity doesn't equate to numbers. We have a lot of people, we just don't practice enough. On match day we have more than enough to field the necessary number.
Peril, youre looking at this:
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I aplogize that I put that in. I was adding in my personal opinion which was wrong. I'm sorry for that. What's done is done. I guess I have to wait til the next league/event.|
Originally Posted by CityofChange
The mere fact that multiple team captains say that they dont have adequate d6 numbers irritates me to no end, being that I want in and cant get in.
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What I was requesting focus on was this:
"May I suggest that the next league or any event following this one hold the draft at least 1 month before official play begins with a minimum amount of practices required to attend. Then the week before the first matches, hold a sup draft to fill the d6's that are no shows, "specific teamers", etc."
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Expecting non competitive pvpers to transfer servers and change around their build to fit team needs takes time. Not everyone has PvP specced builds like we do. For us pvpers, its no problem to swap out total focus for psi lance on our psi/em if need be. That's our dig. But telling a casual pvper that he needs 20-25 more KB protection isnt as easy.
I just feel a longer window would have helped in an event with this much d6 interest.
*...and maybe i coulda snuck in the back door =) *
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That isn't exactly a fair question to play the devil's advocate here. First of all from what I understand the player in question is more than willing to play for Silit's team. Even if they were not taking a player that you know another team wants that has a very good skill level is a tactical and very legal move. Is it a dick move? Perhaps. That is irrelevant though.|
Originally Posted by B_Witched
Silit says he doesn't want to "hold anyone prisoner" but why pick him at all if he knew he really only wanted to play on another team?
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Regardless of what Perils intentions were, it was not allowed. A draft happened. Players who signed up did so knowing what the rules are. This is kind of like a car salesman saying "I give you a 3 year warranty" and you purchase the car and the written contract says "no warranty" that you signed. Both sides have to take some responsibility in this. Peril already admitted he did intend on assigning characters but Captains did not allow it. Take your responsibility in the deal gone bad and lets move on.
Just a side note, in regards to what I said before about PvPEC reps should not be captains too - that's exactly what I meant. I didn't say that they shouldn't play. It simply looks like a conflict of interest when you are a rep AND a captain. Yes it is an opinion, but it's also simple common sense if you want to avoid the drama that apparently some of the reps are becoming upset or stressed out about.
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Hardly, considering I've never had @hot heals. |
Originally Posted by B_Witched
it's kind of like you not having yours @hot heals..
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If you're referring to his account being banned, you could've used the renegade-ownage-mass-ban as an example.
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6685529/3-hot-and-vex-3
I agree with this for 2 reasons.
1) It looks like those chosen late were cherry picked.
2) There are a select few of people out there that would give anything short of a limb to pvp in this league. For some, pvp is all they do. Those that were late to signup shouldnt be punished for not reading the forums or having AC. In the same respect, those that were able to signup on time but dont make it to practice, work with the team, sacrifice, shouldnt be an anchor for their team either.
In the 1st draft, seeing people drafted onto U2BG, dUmb, RAFTW, BoBC, etc d6's and not show up and take the benefits of learning is ridiculous. This is the closest thing to competitive pvp, that ANYONE is going to ever find again on a game entering its 7th year of existance AFTER all the BS pvp changes.
Please dont let pvp events, whether 100% successful or those with its share of hitches fall apart do to lack of compromise. There are those hoping that a lot can come out of this experience.
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