i dunno what you guys are doing wrong I got 4 full sets of glad javs today
Rules updated: Any number of Division 6 members can participate in Division 8 matches.
Heroes Demise got a Glad Fury Proc in practice tonight. We prob had around 60-80 kills all night.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
I realize that the supplemental draft is likely necessary for some teams, but what bothers me most about it is that it's potentially going to hurt the playing time for a number of original, committed and reliable, D6 people on each team. We, for example, have a number of draftees that have been active on our GP site and in-game chats, and they have shown up to everything PvP-related (like practices, scrimmages, KBs, etc.). We also have a couple of people that have been active but are keeping themselves out of matches until they have readied their choice of PvP toon.
That's the way I was assuming we wanted this to work, but maybe I'm wrong. We are trying to teach people how to be semi-competitive in our D6 team. As things are now, the casual zoner just looking for PvP can say "The rules didn't say anything about me having to join dUmb chat, dUmb GP, or practicing. I'm here now, and I want to play my flying regin!!!" We haven't had this happen to us YET, but other teams have, and with the new draft, it could happen to us soon...or other teams could be getting more of the same.
I guess I'd just like to hear some thoughts as to what can be done to make things a bit better for the D6'rs that are trying to compete.
Can we at least not have to play a non-50? There are some of those in round 2 as well.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
Can i play my flying fire m blaster with group tp group fly tp foe, KB aura and confuse aura with 0 SO and IOs except tp foe? i am soo pro on it...As long as i show up in PD on thursday dUmb has to play me...:P
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Even with my team being the victim of some very bad D6 matches due to them not participating and showing up in advance or not taking advice on changing their builds but then us being required to play them in the matches.....I still think it is the best thing.|
Originally Posted by Psoma
I realize that the supplemental draft is likely necessary for some teams, but what bothers me most about it is that it's potentially going to hurt the playing time for a number of original, committed and reliable, D6 people on each team. We, for example, have a number of draftees that have been active on our GP site and in-game chats, and they have shown up to everything PvP-related (like practices, scrimmages, KBs, etc.). We also have a couple of people that have been active but are keeping themselves out of matches until they have readied their choice of PvP toon.
That's the way I was assuming we wanted this to work, but maybe I'm wrong. We are trying to teach people how to be semi-competitive in our D6 team. As things are now, the casual zoner just looking for PvP can say "The rules didn't say anything about me having to join dUmb chat, dUmb GP, or practicing. I'm here now, and I want to play my flying regin!!!" We haven't had this happen to us YET, but other teams have, and with the new draft, it could happen to us soon...or other teams could be getting more of the same. I guess I'd just like to hear some thoughts as to what can be done to make things a bit better for the D6'rs that are trying to compete. |
Before I13 I probably would have never supported such drastic measures as requiring teams to play every single person no matter what. We need new pvpr's if we want to ever be able to have competitive team pvp on a larger scale again. There just are not enough people to support a ladder.
We were all flying noob scrappers at one point or time. I think the difference is that back then there was lots of pvp to be found every where so the learning curve was a lot different. Also we didnt have DR, TS, HD in zones. Now the new pvpr's are being dumbed down essentially and not required to learn the best tactics to survive in zone.
So to get them to a decent level of competitiveness is going to take more time and attention. The League was designed the way it was to attract new pvprs and require the Vets to teach them to have any chance of winning. That requirement unfortunately is necessary because 90% of the teams wouldn't bother taking the time if it wasn't a requirement to have a chance at winning.
I suppose next season we can discuss working in some type of rule requiring them to have a certain percent of participation in practice before having to put them in matches. Not sure how we could work that because it would open the door to teams not having to play really crappy players that try hard which defeats the purpose of this being a casual team.
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Next season should be done without the PvPRC.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
The 'everyone must play' rule is obviously pretty lame. I don't know that there is anything that can be done about it, unfortunately.
Psoma pretty much hit the nail on the head. A d6 member who cares, works hard at getting better, and shows up consistently is given the same credit as someone who goes AWOL and then shows up to a match ready for action and is detrimental to the efforts of everyone else on the team.
It's good to give everyone an opportunity to play. Frankly, however, someone shouldn't expect to play if they blow off their team.
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The rule in general is not lame. Again the reason for the League is to get casual pvpr's interested in highend pvp. Its difficult to find a balance that allows the new guys to partipate casually but also keeps the "I dont care mentality" off of the teams. Every league in the past has allowed all to partipate regardless of time constraints/build issues/attitude problems. Not allowing everyone to partipate ='s a ladder. Hopefully this will build up enough interest to make a Ladder feasible. While it is frustrating to have to deal with no shows or people who don't care realize that every team has the same issues.
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Originally Posted by Silit
The 'everyone must play' rule is obviously pretty lame. I don't know that there is anything that can be done about it, unfortunately.
Psoma pretty much hit the nail on the head. A d6 member who cares, works hard at getting better, and shows up consistently is given the same credit as someone who goes AWOL and then shows up to a match ready for action and is detrimental to the efforts of everyone else on the team. It's good to give everyone an opportunity to play. Frankly, however, someone shouldn't expect to play if they blow off their team. |
The everyone must play rule existed in both of the TPvPL leagues I played in. People not showing to practice is a notorious issue for former leagues as well. D6 was never meant for the style of commitment test players are used to, that is why you have a D8 team.
And if your issue is with the draft, you don't have to participate. But the other teams NEED more players, as predicted before the initial draft even took place. It wasn't a secret that late entries would be allowed in.
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The everyone get to play rule need another look into, because right now it's pretty retarded. If Random Joe Strawberry showed up for one practice and vanish, then during game day pop up in PD, if I was a captain I wouldn't want to play him. If that mutation 1k HP ice/rad with fly fail to fix his build after been told to change it, I wouldn't play him. Yet the whole team get penalize for it when their's a few that do make the effort.
You can't please everyone, but enforcing rules that hurt the whole teams need to be change or find a middle ground. Only people that puts both effort and time should be protected by the "Everyone get to play rule". When Random Joe Starwberry decide to get accolades and show up for more then one practice should that rule apply to him.
While D6 is suppose to be more fun and relax, it's still competition so you can't fault people for wanting to win. Being force to play people that don't give a damm will cause more harm then good in the long run.
@Intro lolPvP
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This season could have been if anyone who ever whines about needing more PVP or a League or Ladder actually ever followed through and did it. The Freedom League sat on our forums for almost a year while others talked about creating one but never did. Good thing people who volunteer and invest hours and hours of their time usually get their satisfaction out of seeing the majority enjoyed the experience because waiting on anyone to actually show any appreciation of the effort would be a lost cause.|
Originally Posted by Slax
Next season should be done without the PvPRC.
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My biggest gripe is the "hurry up and wait" mentality.
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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i sooo hear nanu here...
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Originally Posted by _Nanu_
The everyone get to play rule need another look into, because right now it's pretty retarded. If Random Joe Strawberry showed up for one practice and vanish, then during game day pop up in PD, if I was a captain I wouldn't want to play him. If that mutation 1k HP ice/rad with fly fail to fix his build after been told to change it, I wouldn't play him. Yet the whole team get penalize for it when their's a few that do make the effort.
You can't please everyone, but enforcing rules that hurt the whole teams need to be change or find a middle ground. Only people that puts both effort and time should be protected by the "Everyone get to play rule". When Random Joe Starwberry decide to get accolades and show up for more then one practice should that rule apply to him. While D6 is suppose to be more fun and relax, it's still competition so you can't fault people for wanting to win. Being force to play people that don't give a damm will cause more harm then good in the long run. |
Russian people don't have ears, HOW CAN YOU HEAR!?
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In Soviet Russia ears hear you.
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Originally Posted by perilX
Russian people don't have ears, HOW CAN YOU HEAR!?
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Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
In Soviet Russia ears are everywhere.......
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Is this:
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- Play-Offs will occur the week following the final regular match week.
- Play-Offs will be held in a round-robin format with each team fighting one round against every other team.
- Match scoring will be doubled during Play-Off week.
- All scores accumulated during Play-Offs will be added to the teams existing score.
- The team with the highest cumulative score after Play-Off week will be deemed the winner of the league.
A new format?
Infinity and Victory mostly
dUmb, etc.
lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
everyone plays was in both TPVPL seasons. Myk lost a chance at first becuase of playing a player who was not that great. He even offered to leave vent and pocket d so as not to cost the win. Myk said "no you showed up and that's what this is for"
The draft is for getting new people into pvp - maybe a ladder comes out of all this who knows and the people who put it togehter put a lot of time into it - a lot of their own time. First season I caugh hell for fillers - placing people on teams that lost a huge number of people to stay competitive. The team that won that year was one that lost people right off the bat but didn't really complain. They had enough new people willing to show up and pvp that they could always field 8 and played everyone.
The people who complained the most I could never understand. They had 5-6 really great pvpers but were too busy feeling cheated to get it together and get their new folks up to par.
my two cents on the FL
First that ck and peril got it going at all is amazing - it's a lot of work trust me I know. People are trying to get pvp going again - beating them up for it silly.
as to having to play a person who only showed up for a match and never fixed thier build.. I would argue a team captian should be allowed a bench rule. Captains go to FL rep and say "player X has not shown up to any practice..or Player X has a 42 stalker as his only toon and refused to let us help pl it...." any number of vaild reasons. FL rep hops on team vent - capt fl rep and player talk it over real quick. FL rep decides if they can bench the player for the matches.
if the same thing happens next week - say player never comes to pracitce again does not respec or listen to captain on build - Capt goes to FL rep and petitions a kick. All three get on vent - FL rep decides whether to kick player - done.
something along those lines so people don't end up getting penalized for flakes.
last tpvpl i told people to leave vent until they had their builds ready.
in two cases, people did.
they came to the following practice fully prepared and ready to actually be an asset to the team.
team pvp should be about the whole TEAM thing; not about retarded rules meant to foster a fairy-tale wonderland that never existed in the ladders. if you were bad, you got to sit the bench during officials. the rule should actually be "if you show up for x amount of practices and you're in d6, you must be played.", you find out someone's not following that, you sit them down and teach them a bit about teamwork and accountability.
would there be enough support for captains to change the d6 rule to require a minimum attendance to practice? i know kat's a mf carebear and won't approve, but if the other captains are willing to put it up to a vote....
also, lolpvpec.
wasn't hush a lead in that **** once?
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
last tpvpl i told people to leave vent until they had their builds ready.
in two cases, people did. they came to the following practice fully prepared and ready to actually be an asset to the team. team pvp should be about the whole TEAM thing; not about retarded rules meant to foster a fairy-tale wonderland that never existed in the ladders. if you were bad, you got to sit the bench during officials. the rule should actually be "if you show up for x amount of practices and you're in d6, you must be played.", you find out someone's not following that, you sit them down and teach them a bit about teamwork and accountability. would there be enough support for captains to change the d6 rule to require a minimum attendance to practice? i know kat's a mf carebear and won't approve, but if the other captains are willing to put it up to a vote.... also, lolpvpec. wasn't hush a lead in that **** once? |
*Fist pumps*
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You are wrong, but that is nothing new. "Kat" is not willing to break rules she helped create or that she is supposed to be enforcing as a PVPEC Chair and risk a DQ for her team for you or any other ******** that thinks she should. "Kat" is more than happy to vote with a reasonable attendance/participation requirement.
| would there be enough support for captains to change the d6 rule to require a minimum attendance to practice? i know kat's a mf carebear and won't approve, but if the other captains are willing to put it up to a vote.... |
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not gonna read that but barrier is an amazing pvper
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
last tpvpl i told people to leave vent until they had their builds ready.
in two cases, people did. they came to the following practice fully prepared and ready to actually be an asset to the team. team pvp should be about the whole TEAM thing; not about retarded rules meant to foster a fairy-tale wonderland that never existed in the ladders. if you were bad, you got to sit the bench during officials. the rule should actually be "if you show up for x amount of practices and you're in d6, you must be played.", you find out someone's not following that, you sit them down and teach them a bit about teamwork and accountability. would there be enough support for captains to change the d6 rule to require a minimum attendance to practice? i know kat's a mf carebear and won't approve, but if the other captains are willing to put it up to a vote.... also, lolpvpec. wasn't hush a lead in that **** once? |
someone managed to "PVP" my two regen scrappers and my dom last night. they also got my friends willpower tank and his fire tank...
maybe he got the 5 drops ya'll were hoping for.