PVPEC: The League

1) I agree with Silit here.. if he was in it for spite he could have drafted another unnamed person for ultimate spite.

2) If you guys didn't try so hard to be underhanded about this whole ordeal and actually went out and said "Hey, Fates reactivated his account and really wants to play with us. Please don't draft him." I can almost guarantee Silit and the rest of the captains would not have picked him. Instead, you guys were shady and tried to sneak him in.

3) The drama surrounding this is retarded. You knew it was a draft and so did Fates (assuming he read what he actually signed up for). You gambled and you lost.

4) I can vouch that Silit at the very least told our team that Fates was in the draft as I was on vent when he did.

5) Silit keeps saying he is willing to trade Fates if he truly doesnt want to play with U2BG. So why dont you just save the drama and figure out a trade?

-Kiri

tactical thinking is frowned upon in this league?
i'm telling kat to pick up all the bad people just to make you happy next time, kk jimmay?
or how about next time, we roll dice on draft picks?




this stuff is funny coming from someone who was part of the renegades; the group that practically invented in-system tactical thought in the villain ladder....

It's i13+ thinking at all is frowned upon.

tactical thinking is fine BB - again the issue is from the start Rick's team was told one thing only to show up and have it not be like that. The one and only reason his name appeared on the sign up was he was told "no problem just sign up on the page to make it official"

first season I placed people when folks lost numbers. I caught hell for it from ajax and silent method but it was for balance. Some teams took it upon themselves to find replacements come to me and say "hey I can get so and so" and I would ping the other captains and most would agree. The goal and spirit was to stay competitvie among teams. Even ajax agreed on that. When Slient sent me a tell saying I am adding Tanzie to my team I told him no. His team was full of vet pvpers and if tanzie wanted to be a sub I would find a team that needed him.

Second season we just ran a shorter sign up and turn around on draft so no fillers were needed and adjusted for team sizes.

Everyone always asked me why I never was a captain or played in the leauge. I told them "because i have to make decsisions that affect the out come of the league." Season two Rox, who was in OS at the time, was pissed at me because he was 7th pick round one. I told him it was all random.

even so...the second draft order should have been needs most first pick. You have a team that says they don't even need to participate suddenly wanting to, and getting a better pick order than other teams with fewer than 8 d6 players? It may be all random, but it looks very biased.

and I was in renegades for the last iteration of a ladder not the villian ladder and say what you want about spec he never did things out of spite.

"needs most" is trash. total trash.
i could say my team needed it most because we had a flying lvl 46 ice/rad and i'm a horrible player. who gets to decide if these are valid reasons? a council of captains that most likely don't like me? hahaha. good **** jimmay. mf good funny ****.

anyways. if you can weaken the opposition, why not do it? that's tactical. it's akin to not popping greens in a match because "it's not nice, because of all the effort the other team is putting forth"/// whether you wanna ascribe malice to it or not is up to you.. it is irrelevant.

i know.
it didn't take away from people saying that he ran mm's only to exploit the system and make stalking hell.

that was an in game tactic and something you captains could have voted to ban (not sure if you did or not didn't follow vill ladder till spec joined OS).

yeah ok, we should have banned insps and more than 2 forts; the villain ladder was not nearly as full of carebears as this current iteration of the ladder/league is. that **** would have never gone through.


drafting people is part of the game. grats. no difference.

why is that trash? look at nfl draft picks - the team with the lowest percentage of winning goes first. Gets them the best pick to stay competitive. You would have a valid point, although if I had a level 46 flying ice rad on the team I would pl them to 50 and get them a decent build. Your not on the d6 team so your good or badness on the d8 team is moot. It should not have been the team captains - the pvpec should have determined the order based on captains statements of team loss and team skill set (so yeah your 46 ice rad would have weighted it).

our flying ice/rad is pro and only logs on for matches. he doesn't need practice.

people deciding the order is inherently flawed.
imagine if hot heals was captain. would you really ever ever ever give him first pick? do you think kat would? or how about if Galactor or Divine was a captain, would i actually give him first pick? i don't think so.


a council deciding draft orders is dumb.

firstly because win-loss ratios don't tell you much (hypothetically, going against team bad is just gonna boost everyone's points, so in that first round, you're better served by not going against them. so you would end up deciding draft picks based off of K-D ratios determined by who you fight in the first few weeks.)

secondly, statements of team skill can be greatly exaggerated and subjective (example: Dex's team can say they have Elf Stalker, which is akin to having a 46 ice/rad; hence gaining quite a few points in the "i'm bad gimme first pick draft league", when their d6 is pretty damn solid).

Trust the ******* RNG; it's f fair.

not the primary draft no. That should be totally random. The secondary was used specifically to help out teams with d6 issues (not enough players to be exact) because the whole d6 will be 8v8 came up. So if the second draft was set up to add more players to teams who lost d6'ers you don't think it makes sense to let those with the least amout of players pick first or close to the top?

either way it is all said and done and as much as I like to argue even I hear the sound of the whip on Mr. Ed's corpse.

1. how were we underhanded anymore than the other people who did the exact same thing??

2. we didn't decide to change his globals. he did as there was a whole history he did not want bring and just wanted to pvp with us (something others did as well). And as I have explained several times...WE WERE TOLD BY PERIL "NO PROBLEM HE CAN BE ON YOUR TEAM JUST HAVE HIM SIGN UP TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL." The guy running the damn thing told him, told Rick that he would be placed on our team.

3. AGAIN....SEE ALL THE CAPS IN LINE TWO. WE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS A DRAFT WE WERE TOLD ALL ALONG HE WOULD BE PUT ON RICK'S TEAM.

4. GRATZ that you knew - Divine did not, Slax did not, Kat did not.

5. Silit is willing to trade fates sure..that does not fix the issue of only having 7 d6 ers all who have shown up and pracitce and participate. Since you have to trade a d6 for d6 how does rick turn to one of the new folks who have been doing awesome and say gtfo.

It's funny you say we were underhanded yet the other teams and players who did the same thing were not...or did silit not share all that information too? So you think if rick went to everyone and said hey fates wants to play with our team so don't pick him okay, that would have happened? Let me put this to you...Silit knew that, Peril knew that...and still picked him. Apparently what was missing was asking their permissions not to be ****** bags. Next time I will remember to ask.

The irony of this is that Silit went around to all of the teams including BOB and got votes on how do the pick order. Silit was trying to get the pick order to be to be "needs most picks first". That would have had mine and Silit's team picking first. BOB voted against that and voted for random pick order.2

Peril wanted to do the draft as him just assigning the people to teams. I know for a fact it was his intentions from day one. I am the one who had a **** fit and told him no. I did so based on Captains. Including a conversation I held with Rick on vent that same day. When the subject came up Rick never said no let Peril divide them up because he is giving me certain people. He said "I agree" when I said it didn't look right for a team member to be handing out members to other teams.

Silit has already admitted he did it, how he found out about it and why he did it. Perhaps he is full of **** and really did it to be a deuche. No one knows this but him for sure. However going on and on about what Peril promised when your Captain if no one else was aware that it was Captains choice to change how the draft went and it was Captains votes that changed how the pick order was going to be is sort of crazy. To say your team showed up to the draft not knowing that is how it was going to be is a false statement because I was the one who talked to Rick myself.

Also to say that you guys don't have any one to offer as trade is false because Rick just offered me 5 different people for Keenon. Were they suitable trade offers? No. However that does show there are people to trade indeed.

If Fates really doesn't want to play for Silits team there are rules in place that he can follow to solve the problem. It is his choice and responsibility to do it, not BOB's. I will be more than happy to be the PVPEC person to handle those trade negotiations to make sure it is fair and that you guys don't even have to deal with each other. Until Fates makes that decision though all of the arguing is basically just bringing down the spirit of people that just want to have fun and pvp.

a lil over simplifed....

say ajax came back but changed his globals so no one would know he was back but he told you and the dUmbies cuz he wanted to hang out with you. Then you go to Peril and say "hey ajax is back and wants to pvp with us but he changed his globals to avoid drama" and Peril as the PVPEC rep says "sure Slax no problem just have him sign up on the forums to make it official." Then you help Ajax get his toons ready to pvp, set him up with pvp ios and a build cuz your good friends you call each other and do each other's hair during tickle fights...whoa.

Then you show up to vent and Peril says "guess what it's a draft!" And two or three other captains are tee hee ing the the back ground because they "figured out" who colrox was..and even though they don't need any d6 players they magically get to pick before you too...determined by the guy who told you all along "Hey NO PROBLEM."

see at that point you have a decision to make as the tee hee captain. Do you be a complete Richard Allen Head and screw over another team, put a good guy who just wants to play in a bad position and knowingly create a crap storm of drama?? Or do you just let things play out like they were promised?

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and that is kinda bs right there - first off the trades were all suitable your team members just had a beef with each one of them. Oh you fail to mention where you had a team vote not to trade keenon. Look Keenon and Fates are good people and are not going to refuse to play. I can't fault them for that. Keenon is a different circumstance, nanu knew who he was and you picked him. And your right, like I said I am going to stop beating mr. ed with a paddle...the point is moot. As far as we are concerned you let Silit and Peril rig things in their favor and as far as you're concerned the sun shoots out their butts and neither of us will convince the other that that is incorrect.

Oh btw we lost @Cure1 due to rl issues i should post that in our thread too..

BOBC beat U2BG's D6. So U2BG needed Fates more.

*shrug*

nom nom nom

So draft more people. The signup thread is full of D6 applicants.