I think the very fact that this supposed 'Hamidon' has such a different physical form compared to the one we are familiar with is more than just a cosmetic factor.
Indeed, its similarity to a Devoured and Cole (rather conveniently) managing learn a great deal about the Devouring Earth in that little psionic exchange makes me suspect the Hamidon Pasilima of Praetorian Earth may well be pursuing someone else's agenda....or dead.
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I think the very fact that this supposed 'Hamidon' has such a different physical form compared to the one we are familiar with is more than just a cosmetic factor.
Indeed, its similarity to a Devoured and Cole (rather conveniently) managing learn a great deal about the Devouring Earth in that little psionic exchange makes me suspect the Hamidon Pasilima of Praetorian Earth may well be pursuing someone else's agenda....or dead. |
Tyrant released hami into the wild himself? To get the general public behind him to enable to get him into power maybe?
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I am interested in the notion that Cole may have lost his mental duel with Prae-Hami.
After doing the high-level arcs, I'm still confident that Tyrant is a villain. Mind control, forced insanity, dimension-scale genocide, and soul binding do not a hero make!
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Its the first thing I thought of when I read the bio. However, I hope that the writers did not go there, because its so much more interesting that Tyrant actually did take over the world because he thinks its for the world's own good, rather than being a straight-up mustache-twirling evil-doer.|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Tyrant released hami into the wild himself? To get the general public behind him to enable to get him into power maybe?
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Its really a very short, but very interesting stroll between being Superman and being Magneto (at least, the appropriately sane versions of those characters).
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Tyrant released hami into the wild himself? To get the general public behind him to enable to get him into power maybe?
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It's all too convenient.
He suddenly re-appears in time to deal with a threat that atomic weapons cannot stop. To top it off he is able to put on a fantastic show for the world (which is where he apparently gains his in-depth understanding of the creatures he is fighting.)
I'm leaning towards the idea that the Devouring Earth and our dear emperor are not the true adversaries they appear to be.
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Could be they came to an agreement. Hami would stop rampaging against the population if Cole kept them under control.
The Hamidon Wars would also be a very useful way of Tyrant thinning out the superhero population 
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People keep saying they think GR is going to come with a new Hami raid, but that sounds really boring to me. If we're getting a new multi-team raid with GR I hope to see something competely different.
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I understood it as Preatorian Hamidon being much, much more powerful than ours. The Devouring Earth have never overrun us so much that we'd feel the need to nuke them. I suspect that there may be a new end-game raid, to keep Preatorian Hami locked up wherever he is locked up in Preatorian Earth.
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Okay, since there is no mention of Praetorian earth Recluse. . . Methinks, their Recluse = Hamidon???
Conjecture? Or does it fit to well since we havent seen anything about that universe's Recluse.
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Okay, since there is no mention of Praetorian earth Recluse. . . Methinks, their Recluse = Hamidon???
Conjecture? Or does it fit to well since we havent seen anything about that universe's Recluse. |
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Originally Posted by thedarkeone
Okay, since there is no mention of Praetorian earth Recluse. . . Methinks, their Recluse = Hamidon???
Conjecture? Or does it fit to well since we havent seen anything about that universe's Recluse. |
Either way, he can't be Recluse.
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Right now our best guess is that their Recluse is dead, killed by Cole after they found the Well of the Furies. Also, "Hamidon" isn't just a made-up name for the big scary monster, it's the name of the scientist who turned into the big scary monster, Hamidon Pasalima.
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Originally Posted by thedarkeone
Okay, since there is no mention of Praetorian earth Recluse. . . Methinks, their Recluse = Hamidon???
Conjecture? Or does it fit to well since we havent seen anything about that universe's Recluse. |
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Right now our best guess is that their Recluse is dead.
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I was a doubter before HeroCon, but at least one of the attendees reported that it was confirmed there, so I have moved to cautious believer.
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Its a tricky one because from what we gather, both of their end goals are completely different. One wants to rule the human population while the other wants to wipe them out.| I'm leaning towards the idea that the Devouring Earth and our dear emperor are not the true adversaries they appear to be. |
One thing we can be certain of though, is that there is a LOT of betrayel going on in praetoria. So far, all 3 of the main characters have been betrayed in some form or another, so think its safe to say that there will be plenty more betrayels yet to come.
Quick lore question. Is it possible for parts of the hami to "fuse" with a human host? ala romulus style?
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Doh!?!?!
Forgot about that. . . Well, maybe they changed their minds. Or maybe that is just a big cover. . . Or maybe. . .
Okay, forget it. I just want GR here now!
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I was a doubter before HeroCon, but at least one of the attendees reported that it was confirmed there, so I have moved to cautious believer.
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Hamidon, as we know him, is a gigantic single cell. Unless our Hamidon is capable of turning into something other than a single-celled organism, or the Praetorian Hamidon is something else (which he may be), he can't merge with a host.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Quick lore question. Is it possible for parts of the hami to "fuse" with a human host? ala romulus style?
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Could be they came to an agreement. Hami would stop rampaging against the population if Cole kept them under control.
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I always liked the Praetorian earth lore, probably because I ended up with a different version of half of it thanks to playing redside first.
Thanks to the way the CoX universe works, that being the ridiculous stereotypes of comics all being real, all of the universes they encounter are similarly planet-of-hats deals. The only universe that displays any real complexity is Praetorian earth. In fact, it's so drastically at odds with the simplicity of very nearly all of the rest of CoX that it really stands out. A planet of multiple motivations and deeds based on individual ethics and not universal notions of good and evil, where the heroes are imperfect and the villains complex?
Praetorian earth is, without breaking the fundamental game basis of Superheroes, exactly what a comic book universe would see if they saw our world.
One thing confused me a bit about this background. I'd always been under the impression, based on what we're told in "The Terra Conspiracy," that Hamidon Pasalima didn't become the Hamidon, the monster, until relatively recently. Is this an oversight, a change to the existing backstory, or a divergence between Primal and Praetorian Earths?
Oh, and another thing I found interesting: note that although Cole seems to have started off his super-powered career more or less as his Primal Earth counterpart did, there isn't any suggestion he ever used the Statesman identity, or any double identity at all, for that matter. It makes me wonder if super-powered beings traditionally have "super" personas on Praetorian Earth at all, or if it's just another manifestation of the general CoX setting's notion that many, if not most, super identities are publicly known. (By the way, that's always been one of my favorite aspects of the setting.)
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It's a divergence - Praetoria is not an exact mirror of Primal Earth - so not every character here has an exact mirror over there.
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One thing confused me a bit about this background. I'd always been under the impression, based on what we're told in "The Terra Conspiracy," that Hamidon Pasalima didn't become the Hamidon, the monster, until relatively recently. Is this an oversight, a change to the existing backstory, or a divergence between Primal and Praetorian Earths?
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... It just occurred to me that Primal Earth's Hamidon Pasalima may be the direct descendant of Bolbox!
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Originally Posted by PeteyCat
Right now our best guess is that their Recluse is dead, killed by Cole after they found the Well of the Furies. Also, "Hamidon" isn't just a made-up name for the big scary monster, it's the name of the scientist who turned into the big scary monster, Hamidon Pasalima.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Its the first thing I thought of when I read the bio. However, I hope that the writers did not go there, because its so much more interesting that Tyrant actually did take over the world because he thinks its for the world's own good, rather than being a straight-up mustache-twirling evil-doer.
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Think of it as thinning out the stupid from the herd. The only way you'd end up being evil is if in the end, you're not the one who writes the history about it.
the REAL kicker is that Tyrant is only a problem if he's planning to invade OUR world
poor guy is just never satisfied
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