Personally,I think erp,mrp,w/e is sorta lame it's like some kind of sexually repressed deviancy.But,that's just my thoughts,hey if you want to do it that's fine I won't judge you on it.BUT,do it in private in your base or out on the other side of the Striga volcano.
The problem I have is when people are in pocket d/atlas talking about it in local and sometimes on bc.Team chat,tells,a private channel that's fine AND respectful to those around you.
It's been quite a few times that I have said stuff to people in game about what they are doing,if they don't like it then **** them.I don't want to hear about how they are bangin each other.
It falls to common sense,some people have and a vast majority doesn't.That's okay though I have no problem tellin them.
Deep inside, I don't really care what you're doing with your time. Assuming you're both consenting adults, go scamper off and have fun frolicking in the green fields of ERP.
On a more shallow note, and heavens forbid I say what I assume many people think, 99.995% of the ERP I've ever had the pleasure of reading (CoX, other MMORPGs, IRC channels, etc) via eavesdropping, posted logs or public displays of affection has been God awful. Terrible, ridiculous purple prose not worthy of those disposable paperback novels they sell at the drugstore. "So and so fumbles with her buttons!" "She gasps excitedly in deep anticipation!", etc. The idea of anyone frantically typing that stuff one-handed cracks me up. So while I don't really care that you're doing it, I can still find it funny.
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Ok, seriously, I think the whole ERP thing is ridiculous. As it's been said before, a 45 year old fat guy, pretending to be a 22 year old hot chick, who's cybering with a 12 year old boy who's pretending to be a 20 year old college jock... Creepy!
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I myself am a MRPer, that is mature themes such as violence, language, and other grittier graphic novel type stuff, not ERP.
I don't condone ERP, you can RP relationships without having to cyber, but if two concenting lesbian catgirls being played by male thirtysomethings want to do it in private, its not my business. It happens, it doesn't effect me, it doesn't bother me.
I do however avoid a certain type of ERPer completely. I really don't like the players for who the game and their character is just a vessel for cybersex. The ones who have a fetishwear costume, and a bio that basicaly announces "I AM HERE FOR SEX!".
That is not private, that is not behind closed doors, and frankly it is a bit disturbing.
Also, your "private spot" doesn't include a waterfall spot, right on top of an exploration marker. Appologies to the two skinnydippers who scattered like pigeons when i landed on them while badge hunting last week, but it's about as private as having sex in your car after you parked it next to the ticket machine in the carpark.
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I actualy have known of something similar to that happening, although the person involved was known to be a 13 year old guy.
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Originally Posted by JadeTora
Well, I've also noticed.. Excuse this post.. A lot of hostility in reaction to this thread and aimed towards me in particular, I've tried to be civil and really I refuse to lower myself to the level of flinging insults at people, bickering with them and berating them for having a differing opinion from my own.. Nay and rather, I respect them for having a differing opinion.
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The different morale values between the US and the rest of the world can be pretty much summed up by what was censored in Age of Conan.
US: Any bare chested or naked females were covered up or the nipples removed but the over the top gory fatalities remained. Germany: The naked women were fine but the gory fatalities were toned down or removed (in the case of the curb stomp fatality). UK: Naked women and gore remain intact. |
Really want to go there ?
The MPAA, who are the people who handle our movie ratings and pretty much set the tone of what is a kiddie flick, and whats not, is a private organization that no one has to listen to. Its not the police or any arm of the government. So yes the MPAA wont give a film a PG rating for showing flesh.
Now if you want to look at censorship across the pond
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-39673982.html
And if you think you can't find porn or nipples in America you just haven't tried.
I meant gaming wise, not movie wise, in Britain we do have a heavy restriction on Adult movies of course (the 18R is the equivilent of an Adults Only in America which is only purchasable at certain shops in Soho and restricted to 'educational' videos for adults.)
Technically, any M/ERP is against the CoH Code of Conduct:
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
I meant gaming wise, not movie wise, in Britain we do have a heavy restriction on Adult movies of course (the 18R is the equivilent of an Adults Only in America which is only purchasable at certain shops in Soho and restricted to 'educational' videos for adults.)
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Errrg. Hypocritical ≠ judgmental
Hypocrisy means that the person criticizing is guilty of what they are criticizing for. Too often this word is misused as a pseudo- counter-criticism, like saying "You are telling me off, but you do bad stuff too!" Maybe the latter is the case, but it isn't hypocrisy. If you use your words more accurately, you won't undermine your point.
But on topic: this is a virtual game, but you're dealing with people. I find a good metric for knowing if digital behavior goes too far is just imagining people doing/saying it face-to face or in real life. If two people were standing next to each other, describing situations like in MRP/ERP to each other, I might be weirded out. People are coming down on the described behavior, as they are weirded out. How they do so may or may not not be defensible, but there it is.
That said, in the context of the game, if the described behavior were seen by a GM, you would be warned, then even banned for the behavior, should it continue. The way the game is set up, like it or not, said topics are inappropriate for the game, and are breaking the "rules." Think of what would happen to a user running around selling a product, or campaigning for a political candidate. It's just the wrong place. It may be best to find a more appropriate medium for expressing said conversations. There are other online forums, and other virtual environments (such as certain areas in second life) with rating systems/standards that allow said subjects. The rating here does bring certain responsibilities. (Especially when there's a EULA that you agree to at sign-in.)
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The question is, why do you care what other people think? Play the game how you want, but, as others have mentioned, keep anything that isn't appropriate for the 17-and-under audience in private chat.
And you calling people who don't approve of what you're doing a prude is making yourself out to be just as "high and mighty" as you're accusing them of acting. The best thing you can do is ask them to leave you alone, and move to a different location if they refuse.
Let's face it, if you're getting busy in Pocket D and someone comes along and overhears you, you are in a public place. If you go to a real life club and act that way in public, you're going to attract an audience and attention--some assuredly negative--as well. Maybe that's what you want, if you're an exhibitionist, but remember that real life clubs don't let kids under 18 through the door. And just as someone is within their rights to call the police if you whip your junk out on the dance floor in a real club, a player is within their rights to report inappropriate behavior to the GMs.
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But I've noticed that despite the fact that most MPRers and ERPers do it in private they're still mocked and insulted for it as if they're lesser for taking part in something they enjoy.
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If this is taking place in private, how do other people find out about it in order to mock/insult them? I conclude that it's not as private as you're suggesting.
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Originally Posted by Smurch
I don't dislike ERP because I'm immature or uptight. I dislike it because I think ERP is immature and a even bit uptight itself. It screams of frustrated sexuality, of unvented urges coming out in an odd way, through the medium of a Video Game. It seems sophmoric.
I can't imagine anything more BORING as a sexual experience than watching someone else type dirty words into a computer poorly. I can do much much better than that in real life. I saw a character bio on Virtue once that said "I no longer ERP as I have found someone in real life". That about says it all. Whenever I see someone ERPing, I think "maybe they, too, should go find someone in real life." However, as long as people do it in private with people they know to be actual real adults and everyone's happy, I don't really care. |
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I like my ERP hostile...
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Actually, it seems like you made a mistake about your own ability to address the subject objectively. Your response seems completely disproportionate to the tone of the posts I've been reading. My impression is that you have some degree of personal 'investment' in a certain position and are interpreting disagreement with the POSITION as hostility directed at YOU.
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Perhaps I made a mistake in thinking this was an issue that could be talked over, it seems people are not ready to look at things objectively and without malice or bigotry.
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I'm somewhat bemused by the distinction between "mature" RPing and regular RPing. What violence are you getting into that could be worse than what's already implicit in my dark goblin character forcing lethal, venomous spines to explode from his body in all directions, shredding a score of Crey employees? And that's heroside.
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Originally Posted by Big_Lunk_NA
I myself am a MRPer, that is mature themes such as violence, language, and other grittier graphic novel type stuff, not ERP.
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No, I'm afraid even consenting adults don't have the right to do whatever they want in public. This game's Terms of Service (as well as common courtesy) dictates that sexually explicit comments may not be made in public. I personally don't care if people ERP or not, that's their business, but it is appropriate to take that kind of thing private. As far as I know, the GMs don't police what happens in private in this game and only respond when behavior is reported by offended parties.|
Originally Posted by JadeTora
We're assuming here both parties involved are at least 18 years old RL so that means they're consenting adults, that assumed don't people have the right to do what they want and rp what they want in public?
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But I guess you realized this, as your later comments in this thread seem to acknowledge that ERP belongs in private.
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I like my ERP hostile...
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I decided to comment. (Obvious isn't it?)
MRP is fine, in my opinion, but outside of SG/VGs where they are explicit to that type of thing, or to teams of those that are in agreement of what is good, it should remain to a T rating. The Public should try and stick with the whatever bureau we have here. Be gritty, be violent, be vulgar, but if you do it in public, expect backlash.
ERP is similar, but it has the problem of being more volatile than MRP, as some might cross off bad words or some blood, but when someone talks about <Censored> worthy things most will report your butt.
Given that, I don't see a problem with either. Though, I only ERP with characters in a relationship as it is my strong belief that sex is a big thing that could make or break a relationship, including little details in performance, as seen in many divorces where fetishes or overall eroticism is missing that makes some people incompatible.
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
I'm somewhat bemused by the distinction between "mature" RPing and regular RPing. What violence are you getting into that could be worse than what's already implicit in my dark goblin character forcing lethal, venomous spines to explode from his body in all directions, shredding a score of Crey employees? And that's heroside.
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Things like poison would be switched with paralysing venom, guns have non lethal rounds, and criminals don't die, they get defeated and arrested, even after being kicked in the face with enough force to flip a tank.
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Isn't that how it goes? Open-mindness is generally short hand for, "I accept this; let's see what others think" rather than actually having an opinion that is open to examination and revision.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Actually, it seems like you made a mistake about your own ability to address the subject objectively. Your response seems completely disproportionate to the tone of the posts I've been reading. My impression is that you have some degree of personal 'investment' in a certain position and are interpreting disagreement with the POSITION as hostility directed at YOU.
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Isn't that how it goes? Open-mindness is generally short hand for, "I accept this; let's see what others think" rather than actually having an opinion that is open to examination and revision.
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The different morale values between the US and the rest of the world can be pretty much summed up by what was censored in Age of Conan.
US: Any bare chested or naked females were covered up or the nipples removed but the over the top gory fatalities remained.
Germany: The naked women were fine but the gory fatalities were toned down or removed (in the case of the curb stomp fatality).
UK: Naked women and gore remain intact.