Uptight & Hypocritical
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If you're being private about it, than it should be a non-issue.
... consenting adults should be allowed to do what they want to do in private...
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However, here's a couple of points you might want to consider:
a) This is a "Teen" rated game. By that very concept, MRP/ERPing is pretty much out. Your opinion of what should or should not be acceptable in a Teen-rated game, even in private, has no bearing on it... you play the game, so you agree to play by the rules of the game. If you're doing anything that might be outside that rating, City of Heroes/Villains is not the place for it.
With that said... if you keep it in non-public chats, such as team chats with *consenting* participants, private channels with *consenting* participants, or private areas with *consenting* participants (meaning, say an ERP SG's base. Not the Pocket D) then the only ones you may have problems are GMs which enforce the games various rules, including Teen-acceptable behavior.
Keep in mind that *consenting* is the key word here. If seven of the 8-member team would like to ERP, and Person 8 indicates that it makes them uncomfortable... then you have two options: Have them leave the team, or follow his wishes. But regardless, he is still well within his right to petition the behavior as a violation of conduct and the GMs are still well within the right to enforce the "TEEN" rating... even if it's in the privacy of your chat or SG area. You agreed to that when you loaded the game and clicked "I Agree."
OH... and a side note. If anyone involved is under the age of consent... even if they they give consent, your still in the wrong. there are just as many 13-year olds posing as 40-years olds as there are 40-year olds posing as 13-year olds. However talking dirty to a 40-year old pretending to be a 13-year old won;t get you investigated or arrested. When in doubt, better to just keep it PG-13.
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b) As "Uptight & Hypocritical" as it may seem to you, a public affirmation/advertisement of a lifestyle, even if not actually demonstrating that lifestyle, opens you up to public opinion and regardless of the immaturity or "conservative" tone of that opinion... you invited it.
Example: I proudly wear a Flogger from my belt... err... I mean a T-Shirt that proclaims "I love Red Cars." If I wear that T-Shirt eventually somewhere, at sometime, someone is going to challenge that opinion. I may have to put up with the gamut of response from serious inquires about red cars to immature responses to my statement such as "Get a Blue Car jerk," "Red Cars Suck," or "Playing with a Red Car is going to land you a one-way ticket to hell you kilt-wearing freak!" All because I publicly announced my love of Red Cars. Sure it's my right to do so, and I'm not actually driving it around, but I still made it apparent of my opinion in a public way. If I hadn't worn the T-Shirt... then my love of Red Cars, wouldn't have been open for public discussion.
Believe it or not, I sometimes take heat because I choose to put the statements "I RP but not ERP" as well as "I prefer Real Missions to MA Missions" in my search note. Occasionally is someone with a legitimate inquiry, but mostly it's such enlightened statements as "lolrp," "why not like MA, h8ter?" and "We're adults here. Get over it and go back to freedumb."
My point is that - right or wrong - people will have opinions about anything you might believe, even if you don't actively solicit their opinions (ie even if you're not wearing your "I love Floggin... err *Red Cars" T-Shirt).
You have a choice. Get a thick skin and ignore them, or remove the public channels from your chat.
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I have to completely agree with Eisenzahn. As someone going to college to be a teacher, I already know the damage that can come with just an accusation of this sort of thing. Whether or not the minor consented (PROTIP: legally, under a certain age, minors cannot consent) matters not.
Bingo.
Depending on where the participants live, ERP with a minor (even one who has not been identified as such by the other partner) may constitute criminal behavior according to the local authorities. Extremely difficult to prosecute in any jurisdiction, perhaps, but it doesn't need to go to court to have a devastating impact... it just needs to wind up on the news. <snip> |
And because you can't be sure of the age of the person you're dealing with, you shouldn't ERP if there is even the slightest doubt.
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Torture, blood letting, are things you consider 17+, but I've seen done on such shows as NCIS.
MRP - Mature Role Play, usually dealing with adult-sensitive things like torture, blood letting... think 17+ on the movie ratings
ERP - Erotic Role Play, dealing with sexual interactions of varying degrees. |
Which is oddly, not 17+.
It's not the act, it's the details that make the rating.
Look at old west movies. Bunch of people shot and killed. But it's just from one bullet, and they fall down dead.
Now turn it into Rambo, seeing graphic details of what a anti-tank gun can do to a human body, and you get an R rating.
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One point needs to be reiterated above all others: This is a private business, and we, as customers, are bound by the rules of this business. As such, when going about our business in a T-rated game, we are required to behave in a T-rated way. Granted, some leeway is given, both by players and by staff, that some things may fly as long as no-one complains, by virtue of there being no omnipresent eye in the sky to monitor everyone at all times, but the rules still remain. As far as I'm concerned, I don't really care what people do, as long as they do it in such a way or in such a place that I cannot randomly stumble upon them in the course of regular play. Inside an instance available only to players by invitation is a good rule of thumb, as far as I care. That, really, is all it needs to come down to, because those are the rules we are all bound by.
Secondly, on the matter of taste, I will agree that two men courting each other via their virtual, often cross-gender avatars may seem weird to some, but it is a question of opinion and, more than anything else, levels of involvement. After all, is it any more weird than two characters controlled BY THE SAME PERSON to be doing the same thing? Because, in the most basic of senses, that is exactly what a person does when he gets down to writing a story, drawing a comic or, indeed, just roleplaying by himself. Yeah, that happens, believe it or not. It's a question of whether you look at this as two PEOPLE courting each other, or merely two actors playing out an ad-hoc play, controlled by people emulating assumed reactions. I don't do it, myself, but my reasons are an overall dislike of RP as a general thing, as I don't and can't do unscripted ad-hoc plays where I don't play myself. I'm not fast enough or good enough, especially with characters that aren't developed well enough, or are plain just too weird to emulate. At the same time, I don't have a problem with it, as long as it IS role-playing and not just REAL sleeze masquerading as legitimate RP.
Again as a matter of taste, I invoke the "Law of Reverse Maturity," which states that the more obviously something is announced to be mature, the more likely it is that it will be VERY immature. Mature people typically don't feel the need to go around parading how mature they are, while immature people usually want to parade how mature they claim to be, but really aren't. As such, when these events are specifically tagged and paraded as "mature," that's usually a big red light to mind your step and steer clear. And, to be honest, the biggest reason I would mind such a thing is the above-mentioned juvenile tendency to use such events to go "Duh-huh-huh! Boobs!" in such a way that the actual player squeezes through the screen like a lemon in a vice. And I don't want creepy horny juvenile on my side of the screen. It gums up the keyboard like you wouldn't believe.
Far as I'm concerned, I steer clear of these things, but as long as they are LEGITIMATE role-playing and not just an excuse to be juvenile, I don't see why this occurring in a strictly-controlled environment is a BIG problem.