Suggestion: Level 50 character auto-retirement
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Posted on: 2009-12-16 17:23 in Suggestions and Ideas
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It may have been sincerely proposed, but with the reception received, I think going the troll route is probably the best plan for the OP at this point.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
after 6 posters had already given a hell no . I'm not convinced he's a troll. I think the original poster is convinced that his idea is a good one, and can't understand why so many players who have been playing longer than a month are a little upset.
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Look, I know we're not supposed to anymore... but can I /*youknowwho* this suggestion? It reeaaalllly deserves it.
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Besides, I thought the AE's farming/powerleveling capabilities took the nerf bat so far that it could taste it. If we were to use the phrase, "A day late and a dollar short"... You're out almost a hundred bucks (If not more).| We were having a conversation about the possible downfalls to the Mission Architect system that players could exploit to powerlevel and miss the enjoyment and whole point of the game, and then the discussion turned to what happens to players when they get characters to level 50. |
And from a COMPLETELY in-character perspective, how would this make sense? If you were powerleveled in AE, that's akin to a cape training himself in the X-Men's danger room from, "Look at me, I wear my underwear on the outside! Whee!" to, "I'm the Batman." without ever so much as catching an actual purse snatcher.... And then he retires from crime-fighting!
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After reading the OP, I am willing to donate all the F*** NO!!! that I possess to shoot this suggestion down.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
There is not enough Hell No in the world to sufficiently smack this idea down. If we use some F*** NO!!! we might be getting somewhere.
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I trust the rest of you will do the same.
I would rather play this game fighting nothing but Malta Sappers and Master Illusionists from level 1 than to have my 50s auto-retire.
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... you are right. That would be more preferable.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
After reading the OP, I am willing to donate all the F*** NO!!! that I possess to shoot this suggestion down.
I trust the rest of you will do the same. I would rather play this game fighting nothing but Malta Sappers and Master Illusionists from level 1 than to have my 50s auto-retire. |
je_saist,
Posts like that are why you "get flamed" (your words). This thread has become about jokes, and there's no reason for you to give a lecture and criticize someone.
Doug probably could've found something funnier, but there's no reason to call him out and try to bash him for it.
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Don't worry, the only serious part of my post was to Sticky this thread. >.>
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Originally Posted by The_Larker
No politics please it's not kosher on the forums and you guys really don't want to get me started on what I think.
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SRS BSNS thread is a go.|
Originally Posted by dougnukem
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*insert long-winded, serious paragraph about how there's no such thing as a real sarcasm meter*
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Dang, someone lied to me then.... |
Originally Posted by Dispari
SRS BSNS thread is a go.
*insert long-winded, serious paragraph about how there's no such thing as a real sarcasm meter* |
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Needs more no.
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Originally Posted by SunGryphon
No. Non. Nyet. Aniyo. Nein. Iie. Kao. Ne. Amo. Bu dui. Nej. Ni. Na. Lo. Laa. Nee.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Just another thing to consider: What about purple sets? Wouldn't you be negating the whole purpose of those sets? |
Originally Posted by Negasorceror
In a discussion with several other CoH/CoV players that I've been playing with over the years, we're looking for ways to keep the game fresh and keep interest going. We were having a conversation about the possible downfalls to the Mission Architect system that players could exploit to powerlevel and miss the enjoyment and whole point of the game, and then the discussion turned to what happens to players when they get characters to level 50. We propose that in order to avoid, frankly, the "let-down" when you hit 50, that characters that have achieved level 50 get a certain amount of playtime and then move off to "retirement" or become "figureheads" or "paradigms" of some sort and are automatically retired, inspiring players to create new characters again. Of course, there would be special bonuses when heroes or villains do retire to new characters that are created, and be badges for retiring X amount of heroes/villains or a complete suite of archetypes. This incentive to move on and keep the game fresh would greatly enhance the continued playability of the game in the same way that the frequent emphasis to prevent powerleveling keeps the game world vibrant and dynamic. I'd like to see one of the game developers comment on this suggestion. Thanks!
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And what happens if people just decline XP at level 49? The "problem" you think exists wouldn't be resolved.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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So, let me see if I understand this...|
Originally Posted by Negasorceror
characters that have achieved level 50 get a certain amount of playtime and then move off to "retirement" or become "figureheads" or "paradigms" of some sort and are automatically retired, inspiring players to create new characters again.
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Players who get to 50, then immediately re-roll an alt and start again will never use their 'certain amount of playtime'. So they'll never get a chance to enjoy the perks resulting from auto-retiring a character unless they force themselves to play their 50s.
Players who enjoy playing their 50s *will* burn through their 'certain amount of playtime', and then will be forced to lose the characters they still enjoy playing, to get empty slots they don't want.
Not only is it this a fundamentally bad idea, but it's a maximally bad implementation of a fundamentally bad idea, which manages to be bad both for players who like playing their 50s AND players who like rolling lots of alts.
I do like the idea of being able to 'retire' a 50, though, rather than just having to delete them. Someone a while back proposed a system where a deleted 50 could pass things on to a successor, which IIRC was rather nifty.
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I'm not sure if its the worst. It simply flows from a very incorrect premise:|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Ths is easily the worst idea I've ever seen suggested.
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| We propose that in order to avoid, frankly, the "let-down" when you hit 50 |
The problem is the oft-repeated error of assuming that if you believe it, and 100% of your immediate circle of acquaintances believes it, it must be true for most everyone. This incorrect assumption causes lots of players no end of forum problems.
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Wow...just...wow.
Okay, so some of you were on the right track. I certainly wouldn't call myself a "troll", but maybe "*****" is a better word for submitting you all to this social experiment. Allow me to explain.
In truth, I have been playing the game fairly regularly for a few years. I have what you might call a hacker mentality as well -- I like to achieve goals by any means necessary, whatever works best, and enjoy exploring multiple solutions (for reference, favorite games are the Thief series). I do have a 50 on both good 'n' evil sides, but I honestly ignore most of the story-content, I'm just there to kill enemies and get new powers and fight a variety of things and find the best ways to overcome them.
I have another friend who's been playing as long, and is absolutely maniacal about optimization. He often whined when patches "nerfed" his powers "for the sake of game balance." However, when it came to Mission Architect, he apparently sided with those who thought it would be a tool for powerleveling...creating missions filled with the easiest bosses or what have you, and zooming up the levels. "People like that miss the whole point of the game!" he complained. "They'll get to 50 and not be able to buy good inspirations!"
Needless to say, I did not agree with that philosophy. If I wanted to "powerlevel" my character and hit 50 in 6 hours, who was that hurting? How does that affect HIS game's experience in any way? I also pointed out to him that if he thought that way, that he should never complain when game designers "nerf" his powers to keep things balanced.
I also took the philosophy a further step, with the (quite frankly) ridiculous suggestion I made in this forum post. That if the goal of the game designers was to force people to play their content how they saw fit, why not auto-retire characters who have peaked? Therefore, I played devil's advocate and signed up for these forums (where he's on somewheres) and made my first post just that, to show him the folly of such ideas.
Call me crazy, but I was almost hoping, frankly, for someone to actually almost take his viewpoint, and make the logical connection between arguments about "powerleveling" and forcing people to "enjoy" content and other ridiculous suggestions that kind of thinking brings about. I think quite fortunately, within minutes of posting, in the wrong section even, there was like 6 "hell no's" in a row. There were a few eerie "Well, you know, if it was an option, might not be half bad" but they certainly weren't agreeing with the insane philosophy.
So, apologies to all for being part of this social experiment, just to be a ***** to a friend. I'd tell you all who it is, but I honestly don't know what forum handle he uses. However, I am going to shove the URL of this thread in his face so maybe he'll add to it.
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I think this is a fantastic idea.|
Originally Posted by Negasorceror
In a discussion with several other CoH/CoV players that I've been playing with over the years, we're looking for ways to keep the game fresh and keep interest going. We were having a conversation about the possible downfalls to the Mission Architect system that players could exploit to powerlevel and miss the enjoyment and whole point of the game, and then the discussion turned to what happens to players when they get characters to level 50. We propose that in order to avoid, frankly, the "let-down" when you hit 50, that characters that have achieved level 50 get a certain amount of playtime and then move off to "retirement" or become "figureheads" or "paradigms" of some sort and are automatically retired, inspiring players to create new characters again. Of course, there would be special bonuses when heroes or villains do retire to new characters that are created, and be badges for retiring X amount of heroes/villains or a complete suite of archetypes. This incentive to move on and keep the game fresh would greatly enhance the continued playability of the game in the same way that the frequent emphasis to prevent powerleveling keeps the game world vibrant and dynamic. I'd like to see one of the game developers comment on this suggestion. Thanks!
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No, pretending to suggest an abysmally bad idea in the name of a "social experiment" is pretty much the textbook definition of a troll. v|
Originally Posted by Negasorceror
Wow...just...wow.
Okay, so some of you were on the right track. I certainly wouldn't call myself a "troll", but maybe "*****" is a better word for submitting you all to this social experiment. Allow me to explain. |
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Not an especially well-designed one.|
Originally Posted by Negasorceror
maybe "*****" is a better word for submitting you all to this social experiment.
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However, when it came to Mission Architect, he apparently sided with those who thought it would be a tool for powerleveling...creating missions filled with the easiest bosses or what have you, and zooming up the levels. "People like that miss the whole point of the game!" he complained. "They'll get to 50 and not be able to buy good inspirations!" Needless to say, I did not agree with that philosophy. If I wanted to "powerlevel" my character and hit 50 in 6 hours, who was that hurting? How does that affect HIS game's experience in any way? I also pointed out to him that if he thought that way, that he should never complain when game designers "nerf" his powers to keep things balanced. I also took the philosophy a further step, with the (quite frankly) ridiculous suggestion I made in this forum post. That if the goal of the game designers was to force people to play their content how they saw fit, why not auto-retire characters who have peaked? |
Sometimes, I hate myself for giving people the benefit of the doubt. This is one of those times.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Sometimes, I hate myself for giving people the benefit of the doubt. This is one of those times.
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I still think it's a fantastic idea...
What are the chances the OP is like, Jack Emmert's next door neighbor?