What Are Heroes Running FROM?

If it's in a PVP zone, PVP is part of the expected risk to get that item or experience. Therefore it's PVP content.

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No, it's PvE content put into a PvP zone in an attempt to more-or-less coerce people into PvP. Yet another reason why I don't like PvP in this game.

But... -sigh-... when they put a bunch of pve content into the rp zone, the rp zone became all farms, so they took it back out and all the pve'ers left.

I want equality.

If they are going to coerce pvp, they need to coerce rp equally. ;p

The only place this rings true is the one CoV accolade that I am only vaguely familiar with. Everything else I know of in PvP zones are part of the PvP for that area. The things you can take out of PvP are toys you get for playing in PvP. Just like all those tickets you get are your reward for doing AE stuff.

It's PvE content put into a PvP zone in an attempt to ATTRACT people into PvP. The only part of it that could be considered coercion are the badges or plaques required for the villain accolades, when heroes do not have these requirements. (Yeah blah blah blah, I know full well how easy they are to get, I object to the requirement on principle.)

You played without Shivans and Nukes before the PvP zones were introduced, you can play without them still.

Agreed.

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Is Born in Battle the only accolade that needs PvP badges (an exploration in Warburg, and the history badges in Bloody Bay and Siren's Call).

Content put into a task force is, unarguably, task force content.

Content in AE is pretty bluntly AE content.

Content you can only get via events is event content.

Yet content in a PVP zone .... isn't PVP content?

Sounds double-standard-ish to me.
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Though I agree with Eva's comment: - the situation is still far more palatable than when you had to have the 5-hour-in-Siren's badge, etc. That, even as someone who *does* occasionally enjoy PVP, I felt was unfair and not well thought out. Explore badges at least can be done - even with someone else in the zone - rather quickly. I don't think even level-gating is a legitimate reason any more with the SSK/no level restrictions. (I don't think they're affected by that any more heroside, at least.)

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Re: Lisar - Headline Stealer (Crey immobilizer ray) requires an exploration badge in BB as well, but that's the only other power-granting accolade that does.

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They are, they just set them to be unavailable until you reach a certain level, even if you have all the required badges. They should have done this with villain accolades from the get-go, or if that was too difficult or time-consuming to code, added Insider or Wise Guy to the requirements. Instead, they put a list of badges on a dart board.

"Hey, let's have this accolade require people to spend five hours in the one zone where people will get annoyed at you for spending five hours!" This after six months of "I hate PvP" and "Get the badgers out of our PvP zones!" and "Get the PvPers out of our badge zones!" threads. Then again, this is from the same people who thought being rewarded for sucking was a good idea, and that a character was actually likely to take 10 million points of damage during regular play.

Content that just happens to occur in a zone where PvP CAN happen doesn't make that content PvP. To be PvP content, you'd have to actually engage in PvP. Something can't be "player versus player content" if the player versus player part isn't part of the content. 100% of the mission to get a Shivan involves talking to NPCs, fighting NPCs, and interacting with objects. At no point do you have to fight players.

Just because you CAN go to RWZ at level 5 and do a mothership raid doesn't make it level 5 content. Just because you CAN do the invention introduction while on a team of 8 doesn't make it teaming content. And just because you CAN run into a player that wants to kill you while you collect a Shivan Shard doesn't make it PvP content. It's PvE content that happens to be located in a PvP zone where PvP CAN happen.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Ten million (the Unbreakable badge) is doable. If my calculations are correct, it'll take about as long as it'll take to purple out your Warshade. The problem badge was Immortal (used to be one billion points), which would have taken about 60 years of playing the game as intended.

Have you seen some of the characters out there? I would say...no. Even reading the forums, you can see it.

Some people bought this game just for that, it being a game (with customization). Not because of the superhero aspect.

Which is one of the things annoying too...for me anyways...as I bought this game for the superhero aspect...not the...I want to play WoW/D&D in a different enviorment. :P You see them...the War Mace Drawf Fighters...or Dual Blade Drows...ect...ect...:P

You need to introduce me to this said friend. Also I need to get me a decent villain to 50 on Virtue so we can all go to zones together.

Lets ignore the part of the shivian mission where attacking a player gets you their rock.

Oh yeah, I forgot that part was required to complete it and retrieve the temp power. I hacked the game though and got all my Shivans without fighting anybody though.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

It's not required, just as not every glowey must be clicked and not every enemy must be downed. However this mission can be effected by PvP (hindering or helping your progress depending on how it goes) which makes it a PvP mission.

No. Sorry. You're wrong. Simply because you can have stuff stolen from you by another player doesn't make it "a PVP mission".

A PVP mission is "beat up/kill another player".

The entirety of the mission itself is housed in PVE mechanics.

Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.

Point out to me where in the mission design of Shivan Strike ANY of the mission objectives require a PVP mechanic.

Now if we have the scientists going all Edna Mode (Fight! WIN!), I'll concede that the shivan Strike mission is PVP content.

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I came out of a mission in Bloody Bay once and ended up right in front of a hero, same situation as the OP. High level tanker. I'm a level 20ish brute. He sees me, comes in and starts a fight. I'm like "ok well, lets see how long I can hold out". When I don't instantly drop to the ground and get a lick or two in, he flees! I chase him back to the LB base, and he stays there for a good 5 minutes then leaves the zone.

WTF.

Seems to me like Heroes won't fight unless they have a guaranteed win (and apparently not even then).

I really hate runners in PvP. It's disrespectful to your opponent to start a fight you have no intention of finishing if things don't go instantly your way. If you start a fight, have the backbone enough to finish it.

There was one time I was in Bloody Bay on Smurch (fire/fire dom) when he was still a lowbie, around level 15 or something. I was stealthed (Smurch has stealth) and saw a hero defender doing shivans, dont remember his level but he had at least 10 on me. I snuck up, but one of the guns saw me and shot me, breaking my stealth. I figured the jig was up, and let loose on the defender.

What proceeded was possibly one of the best battles I've had in this game. We fought all over that neighborhood bloody bay for about 10 minutes, with alot of back and forth. In the end, my lack of Endurance floored me, and I landed on the ground with an audible (local chat) "oof!" as he killed me. He said something like "owned" and I said "Poor abused Smurch!" and went back to the hospital.

After I teleported back to the base, I got a tell from the hero-player that he had a great time with that fight. I reciprocated, we congratulated each other on the licks we got in and then I left him to do his shivans feeling pretty good about myself despite the loss.

It's the one time PvP in this game ever lived up to it's promise.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

He was Dark/SS.
I was EM/Elect.

I was somewhere around 20, pre-stamina. He was level 50.

It was the same in WAR, too. The "good guys" spent most of their time running, too. We used to pick them apart endlessly for it, too, as everyone knew it. Order had the reputation of being cowards on our server.

Now, sure I'm sure it happens on both sides, but I don't think it's just a population thing, as I also see alot more trash talk and whining coming from Bluesiders than Red. But that's not really the argument here.

In any case, I have no tolerance for it from anyone. If you get into a PvP fight, finish it. Red or Blue, be a good sport and finish it.

It's some kind of weird mindset of "I cannot lose a fight or I might DIE IN REAL LIFE!!!" It's some kind of false honor where denying your opponent a victory means you "win" when it's just plain jerk behavior.

This game has PvP with no penalty. There's no reason not to give your opponent their deserved victory. It does you no harm at all. You lost in a match, it happens. You be a good sport and you shake hands (figuratively) and go about your day. I don't get the attitude of not being able to handle losing even once. These are the kinds of people I picture tipping over the chessboard as soon as they lose their queen. Sore losers, the lot of them.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

I'm fine with people who don't want to PVP. I'm not fine with people who get into a PVP battle then cut and run the second things don't go their way.

Originally Posted by eltonio This is over the top mental slavery.

I really think that zones bring so much hate towards PvP and PvP'ers. If you like to get your feet wet and try PvP, zones are the worst place to do it. It's a good idea to go to the arena with friends or a PvP'er that is willing to help you learn. I really don't frequent zones very often anymore but I still go there occasionally when I'm bored.

I'm not that great in PvP but hell, if it'll help change others point of view towards it in this game, I'd be willing to help others learn in the arena.

This is a perspective thing. I used to be almost totally blueside. Redside lagged more for me and I couldn't handle the slowness on my old computer. I hated Fury, and this was before Dom buff. Back in those days, every time I went into a PvP zone it was always hit-and-run Stalkers bad-mouthing the heroes and explaining that the reason they run away is because that's what Stalkers do (while simultaneously complaining whenever a Blaster ran away).

Over time I migrated to be mostly redside. Nowdays I play mostly Brutes and Doms. Any time I go into a PvP zone, which I assure you is rare, it's hoverblasting Blasters talking trash in broadcast about the cowardly Stalkers (from the comfort of their base where they can easily retreat to if someone doesn't die from their max range volley).

I recall when I worked in customer service, my manager told me that when he was on the phones, him and his co-workers would always complain about those damn incompetent know-nothing tech support guys. Then when their center closed and they got a transfer to be tech support reps, they would always complain about those damn incompetent know-nothing customer service guys.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.