What is it with WP?


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Ive been playing CoH 4 some time now, b4 I11 respectively, and i dont undrstand, why is it that so many ppl "hate" WP? I myself think it's a nice set, as it delivers the usual res, possibly a lil weak without SoW, a mezz prot, a def, a def nuke, a taunting aura (which is in my opinion cool as it is very unique), and then it has some special cookies (reg, rec, rez!)...

The thing i dont get is why other ppl dont like it... What things about this powerful will is it that im skipping?


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What is it with WP?
It's awesome?

Not sure who you're talking to, because Willpower is awesome with a side order of win.


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cuz it lets noob be uber?


 

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I have not met these people you speak of.


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I have to agree with Uber. I've never met anyone that stated WP was a terrible set.


 

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The only complaint I've heard about WP is that it's taunt aura is rather weak compared to other sets so WP tankers have a harder time holding the attention of a corwd.


 

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Originally Posted by JanusFrs View Post
it's a nice set, as it delivers the usual res, possibly a lil weak without SoW, a mezz prot, a def, a def nuke, a taunting aura (which is in my opinion cool as it is very unique), and then it has some special cookies (reg, rec, rez!)...
What is a def nuke?


 

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The only thought I have have is the OP mayeb be confusing people disliking the playing of WP, with disliking the set per se

Just like /SR I find it is a set I dont enjoy playing, becasue of the toggle on and thats it. I enjoy the active focus of /regen and /dark where timing your clicks is a big part of the sets effectiveness.

Add to that the weak taunt aura.

I know its a very effective set (and am trying it again on a new scrapper), but generally its not for me.



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God, how weird! I played with a scrapper today, who stated that he hated the set because it gave barely no def dbuff res what so ever.
But since I've found people that like WP, would you guys think it'd be a good Tanker primary 4 fire?


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What is a def nuke?
Literally, def nuke isnt a phrase. When I say def nuke, I mean the Tier 9 power of a defensive powerset, like Invinciblity's Unstoppable and Willpower's Strength of Will.


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Originally Posted by JanusFrs View Post
But since I've found people that like WP, would you guys think it'd be a good Tanker primary 4 fire?
Yes. WP/Fire is a great pairing.


 

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My one quibble with WP is the lack of a click-heal. I know it makes sense, but...maybe it's my current not finished slotting (lvl 33), but RttC doesn't always cover the healing.

Fortunately, Footstomp tends to be the 'panic button', at least on that character. Things can't hit you when they're on their back, getting mauled.


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You want a real Panic Button? Grab Handclap.


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My beef with WP is I can't seem to make the set work *and* I keep hearing people saying how awesome it is.

WP makes me feel stupid. Curse you, WP !


 

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Originally Posted by JanusFrs View Post
God, how weird! I played with a scrapper today, who stated that he hated the set because it gave barely no def dbuff res what so ever.
But since I've found people that like WP, would you guys think it'd be a good Tanker primary 4 fire?
The weakness of WP is debuff vulnerability. Otherwise there would be no reason to take any other set because WP has excellent regen, exotic def, s/l res and status protection. Layered defenses like that are superior to simply res or heal/regen (like elec or fire or dark) because they don't collapse like a house of cards from one little vulnerability. Even when it comes to debuff vulnerability, WP would have to be hit with -def debuffs, -res debuffs and -regen debuffs to make it collapse in the same way as some of the one shot wonders. Couple WP with a mitigation damage set like SS (footstomp) or Stone (fault/tremor) or a defense buffing set like Kat or BS and you end up with an absolute beast.


 

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My one quibble with WP is the lack of a click-heal.
Roll a Stalker. About 90% of people I spoke with about Willpower had no idea Stalkers get Reconstruction.


 

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I was just thinking, my main concern with /WP is the lack of a click self-heal.

So of course, when I get home I'll have to roll a DM/WP scrapper now.

*Shakes fist and curses altitis*



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WP is a decent scrapper/brute set, although it seems weaker than some. My 49 Fire/WP brute is certainly much squishier than my 50 BS/Shield scrapper... both are IO'd heavily. It seems comparable to my Spine/Regen scrapper in durability, or about middle of the pack in late game.

Now my main complaint with WP as a tanker set is it's nonexistent taunt aura... WP tankers have a much harder time holding aggro and most I've teamed with don't even try. The terrible aura is the main reason why I haven't had any interest in playing a WP tank; I feel rather strongly that a tank is supposed to hold aggro.


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It's awesome?

Not sure who you're talking to, because Willpower is awesome with a side order of win.
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My beef with WP is I can't seem to make the set work *and* I keep hearing people saying how awesome it is.

WP makes me feel stupid. Curse you, WP !
When I was starting to plan out how to IO my WP/Mace tank there was a wonderful mini-guide on the forums about the best way to make WP work, unfortunately it seems to have been eaten by the forum monster. I suppose I should try to write one of my own, since I know the ideas behind the guide, but basically, try to build for as much +regen and +hp as possible.


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Roll a Stalker. About 90% of people I spoke with about Willpower had no idea Stalkers get Reconstruction.
Nor did I Oo
Still. Nothing I play stalker wise will trump my Claws/Ninjitsu. Brute, on the other hand...
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The only complaint I've heard about WP is that it's taunt aura is rather weak compared to other sets so WP tankers have a harder time holding the attention of a corwd.

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Now my main complaint with WP as a tanker set is it's nonexistent taunt aura... WP tankers have a much harder time holding aggro and most I've teamed with don't even try. The terrible aura is the main reason why I haven't had any interest in playing a WP tank; I feel rather strongly that a tank is supposed to hold aggro.

The weak taunt in RttC can definitely be compensated for by choosing Taunt, Taunt IOs, Gauntlet and choosing a primary with a fast recharging AoE/PBAoE. (Shout-out to Footstomp and Tremor )

It just requires a slightly more mobile, aggressive style of play (which is funny because one of the usual complaints on WPs play style is the set it and forget it toggles).

C'mon guys, if I can hold aggro on my /WP Brutes you guys can do it on your tankers!!

(Note: I've got a lowbie WP tanker in the works as well )


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Originally Posted by JanusFrs View Post
God, how weird! I played with a scrapper today, who stated that he hated the set because it gave barely no def dbuff res what so ever.
The lack of DDR will be rougher on the scrapper due to lower regen, lower HP and lower resistances.

I imagine a tanker, with much higher native resistances, HP and regen would suffer less trouble from cascading def failure. Obviously the amount you spend on IOs for the build will improve that performance even further.


 

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Originally Posted by JanusFrs View Post
God, how weird! I played with a scrapper today, who stated that he hated the set because it gave barely no def dbuff res what so ever.
But since I've found people that like WP, would you guys think it'd be a good Tanker primary 4 fire?
Because it gave barely any def debuff resistance? He must hate alot of the Defense Power Sets then!

Trust me, get some IOs, buff up those hit points/regen/defense, and you most likely never notice the low defense debuff resistance.

In fact, I have a SS/WP brute, with my goal of the build is to see if it can stand up to the ITF as well as my WP/EM did (before I stripped it of it's IOs).

My WP/EM would just stand there and take all the romans had and laugh.


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I don't like regen based toons, and a largely regen based toon without a heal sucks. I don't like the idea of being at less effectiveness because I don't have ten minions around me at all times. I also love sets with good AoE, and the fact is that RTTC and AoE are working at cross purposes.


 

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RTTC and AoE are working at cross purposes.
Err... what? RttC keeps critters close to you (admittedly, not as well as the other Taunt auras, but it does try). It doesn't spread enemies apart in any way. How, exactly, does RttC work a cross purposes with AoEs?


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Err... what? RttC keeps critters close to you (admittedly, not as well as the other Taunt auras, but it does try). It doesn't spread enemies apart in any way. How, exactly, does RttC work a cross purposes with AoEs?
Killing enemies lower your survivability. And in most case, it's the stronest enemies that will be left when you have the less survivability. I know you can adapt your playstyle to mitigate that, but is it that hard to guess?


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